IE6 is the dumbest thing ever. period.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by dlinkwit27
less than two seconds. so what?

(side note: it would prbly be faster if I turned off gaim and seti )

On the latest version of IE, and a recent version of Opera, Microsoft.com renders about 50% faster with Opera - approximately 1½ seconds with IE, and a bit less than 1 with Opera. That is significant, particularly with larger websites, and even more so if you visit the site often, and already know what you want.

I have broadband for a reason :P

[mark]

3 in opera
8 in IE

[aFfLiCtEd]

Originally posted by Triton4
Last month I installed IE6 over the previous version (5.0 or 5.5)

I thought that was a no no.

I'll say it now before I'm ridiculed...I could be wrong.

[Triton4]

Originally posted by Triton4
It crashes everytime I load a shockwave/flash movie or install a shockwave plugin & sends an error report to microsoft

If you're interested to know, I have found the solution to that problem - i.e, IE6 crashing while installing Flash 7.0 - it is because of a corrupted dll file 'msvcrt.dll' located in the c:\windows\system directory.

Replace it with the newer, corrected version at dll-files.com and it works fine.

[2399Skillz]

I think your main problem is Windows XP.

I use IE6, on a Win2k Pro OS. Absolutely no problems.

As for one loading faster than the other. This isn't NASCAR.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by 2399Skillz
I think your main problem is Windows XP.

I use IE6, on a Win2k Pro OS. Absolutely no problems.

As for one loading faster than the other. This isn't NASCAR.

So I guess you'd go for a Camry instead of a Ferrari because it's the popular thing to do?

[zootm]

microsoft.com takes a little over a second in firefox and IE here. I think that's the time it takes to DL the data, though.

[mark]

microsoft.com is evil. I'm quite sure its DESIGNED not to work properly in non IE browsers. Opera hates it with a passion. Its the only site that fucks up formatting, content and navigation (the actuall switching between pages, not the nav buttons) all at once

[xzxzzx]

The version of Opera I'm using renders everything on microsoft.com (that I've see) perfectly, with the exception of the main page...

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
"A few microseconds"? Load up Microsoft.com. How long, from when you hit {ENTER}, to the page being fully rendered, does it take?

Less than 2 seconds for me too. IE6 on a P4 laptop at the moment.

Never had it crash either.

Originally posted by xzxzzx
So I guess you'd go for a Camry instead of a Ferrari because it's the popular thing to do?

You couldn't give me either of them!

[godoncrack]

Opera loads Microsoft.com faster than firebird which is faster than IE\
while for me opera and mircosoft dont play nice, mricosoft and firebird get along just fine

[mark]

Im going to switch from opera to firebird if i can find plugins to do what I want with firebird. (right-left or left-right clicky navigation thingy and open in new tab by default with open in background tab on middleclick)

[zootm]

try all-in-one gestures.

[mark]

rocker navigation, thats the one!

what about the other part?

another thing i want that firefox doesnt seem to do: zoom images at the same time and scale as text

[Jaak]

Not to mention that this shit aka. IE renders CSS completely wrong, its web designers nightmare.
And the spyware... and the popups... IE is hackers dream... when your using it

[Myxomatosis]

IE never crashes, even under EXTREME load. Only when it really gets to me will be when I even consider changing.

[deeder7001]

IE has no built in popup blockers. firefox is the best browser, in my opinion. i don't hate IE i just choose not to use it.

[mark]

i like firefox, but there are some extentions that should be included with it.

tabbrowser extentions for one. firesomething, too :P

[deeder7001]

firesomthing is great. i don't see anything like that for IE.

[mark]

I used opera for at least a yaer until yesterday. Excepting bookmarks, witch are a bitch to convert (operas fault, not firefox) migration is quite good.

[Myxomatosis]

Ever even consider(some of you) that it's not just the software? Blame your computer and/or incompetency.

[zootm]

IE is an out of date piece of software. That's not just my opinion, that's a fact. Microsoft decided not to update it a long time ago, until Longhorn came out. That's fair enough, but it has led to it being bad software by today's standards.

The main problem is that because it's the browser supplied with Windows, it's the most used one. And that means that people write websites to work on it. Which means people have to avoid a lot of the beneficial properties of web languages that have been added in the last 2-3 years. Which means websites are unnecessarily badly-written.

Which is a bit shit.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by Myxomatosis
Ever even consider(some of you) that it's not just the software? Blame your computer and/or incompetency.

Myxomatosis, please realize that I, and others on this board, are highly skilled IT workers/hobbyists.

IE, is, has been, and for the foreseeable future, will be, a piece of shit. It breaks web standards. It defines it's own web standards. It is vulnerable to the funniest shit, some of the bugs so bad that simply accessing a web page gave a malicious hacker full control over your windows session, and therefore your entire PC if you run as an Administrator (which most windows users do).

There used to be a thread around here that just pointed out flaws in IE, in which new critical security vulnerabilities would come along every few weeks, if that infrequently. Often, Microsoft would deny that it's a bug at all, and then quietly fix it a few months later.

The only argument one can make in IE's favor is that's it's a decent ActiveX container.

IE does not render pages correctly, it does so it slowly, in many configurations it will only use two connections at a time while cable modems and such could use many more. It is not a stable browser, as pages can be (and have been) crafted which will consistently crash it.

I could get into more detail, but please take my word for it – while hardware problems are certainly a possible cause for crashes, it probably is, in fact, the software, and hardware problems are not going to make IE consistantly render pages slowly and incorrectly.

[lostonline]

I still use IE quite often but am using Mozilla much more often and will soon just be using IE for testing my web design work (which will, as mentioned several times above, probably not work properly as I use CSS).

[Wolfgang]

I have only ever designed one webpage and used dreamweaver, which I have noticed is a crime in the worlds of some people in this forum. I learnt quite a lot, even a little bit of CSS, which I thought was only for formatting, such as margins, fonts, sizes, etc. Can you use it to design whole pages? Why is it so great?

[zootm]

CSS allows you to seperate the content of the site from the style of it a lot more easily. It also means that your site can be tailored to look different without changing the underlying code.

For examples, look at CSS Zen Garden. The HTML of the page is always the same, but if you click the right-hand menu it changes the CSS styling of the page, to one of many people have submitted.

[Triton4]

CSS is kewl if you've just started learning web-designing and formatting, but there are several other formats such as XSL and DSSSL which are more advanced than CSS, and offer a greater degree of flexibility.

[Wolfgang]

Yes, that is pretty damn good. I stand enlightened.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by Triton4
CSS is kewl if you've just started learning web-designing and formatting, but there are several other formats such as XSL and DSSSL which are more advanced than CSS, and offer a greater degree of flexibility.

From my understanding, XSL and DSSSL are for server-side processing, not generalized display, though XSL specifies it's own sytle description language. Then again, I don't have much understanding of either...