No doubt about it... Bush is in trouble!

[spiderbaby1958]

I just saw my first network news mini TV-spin-doctor debate of the new extra-long election campaign season. I was watching the CBS Early Show and I saw a beaming Democratic adviser (Kiki McLean) sharing a split-screen with a sick-looking Ralph Reed hashing over new poll numbers that put Kerry over Bush by ten points. For me, the handwriting on the wall wasn't in the numbers, it was in Mr. Reed's demeanor.

Hey, a lot can happen between now and November, but I've been paying attention to these contests for twenty years, and I've never seen the Democrats so disciplined and hungry. Whenever I hear Bush making a charge against Kerry on the radio, Kerry's camp usually has a response in the very same news report. Negative campaigning worked against Dukakis in 92-- but Dukakis wasn't prepared for it. This time, we're all prepared for it. Everybody knows what's coming, and we're all pretty jaded.

Is it all over for Bush? Of course not! These guys are used to winning, and they will do anything to win. However, as a card-carrying Bush Hater, I take great pleasure in watching these arrogant motherfuckers sweat. They were expecting to be in the catbird seat right now (whatever that means).

[Starbucks]

I don't remember exactly, how the FUCK did Bush become our president?

[fwgx]

Mongs by the million were born.

[Omega X]

Originally posted by Starbucks
I don't remember exactly, how the FUCK did Bush become our president?

He cheated with Florida and then complaind about recounts being unfair with the supreme court.

[Starbucks]

Oh I remember now. Who was in charge of the recounts? I heard it was his sister.

[baafie]

Seems like the US presidential election is more about getting Bush out, then getting someone else in.

[spiderbaby1958]

When the recount in Florida became inevitable, the governor of the state, Jeb Bush, recused himself from the recount to "avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest"-- and then assured the recount could only go one way by placing the Florida Attorney geneeral, Catherine Harris, in charge of the process. Besides being Attorney General, Harris was state chair of the Bush for President campaign.

Here's what happened next.

http://www.npr.org/dmg/dmg.php?prgCo...ldMediaPref=RM

The above link is a Realaudio file of an interview with Jeffrey Toobin, who wrote a book on the Florida recount entitled "Too Close to Call", The interview is from November, 2001.

Toobin, who declares Bush "a legitimate president" doesn't appear to be much of a partisan, but what he uncovered is pretty shocking-- the machine recount that was mandated by Florida law never took place, and the phony recount took place under the full supervision of representative of the national Bush campaign.

This is far more serious than lying about a blow job, under oath or otherwise. Make no mistake-- they stole it all right!

[horse-fly]

well come on, the last time the majority was against bush, he became president... something like that does go to your head

[ertmann|CPH]

Words cannot express how much hatred i feel for this man.....

In the statement he issued after the madrid bombings he writes on http://www.whitehouse.gov

HE PRESIDENT: Today I spoke to His Majesty the King of Spain -- Jose Maria Aznar, as well -- about our country's deepest sympathies toward those who lost their life as a result of terrorist bombings in Spain

190 people just died, and he fucks up ... How the hell can he call Aznar a King, when he is the PM? .... just showes he doesn't give a shit about anything but his own country and it's interrest.

fucking idiot! if he had to issue a statement he could atleast have made it sound like he cared

[spiderbaby1958]

You know, I hate to be the one to stick up for Bush, but it looks to me like what he said was that he had spoken with both Aznar AND the King. So I don't think our George screwed up this time.

[Starbucks]

Does anyone have the percentages for Bush's rich-favoring tax cut? I'm too tired to dig.

[spiderbaby1958]

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0115-05.htm

Here's what I was able to find... looks a little partisan, so take it with a grain of salt.

[Wildrose-Wally]

Originally posted by ertmann|CPH
Words cannot express how much hatred i feel for this man.....

Points to ponder:
Hatred and greed are the main causes of war. Care to re-phrase?

[ertmann|CPH]

I don't know, i think it is hatred, allthough there might be a difference between the Danish and English meaning of the word....

it's not hatred it the sense that i would kill him if i had the chance... but i really think the man is either evil, or totally clueless.

malcontent a better word?

[Starbucks]

from article:
The top 5 percent of taxpayers would get 70 percent of the benefits on that one. The bottom 80 percent would get 6.5 percent of the benefits. Ditto with accelerating the 2004 tax cuts: 64.4 percent to the top 5 percent of taxpayers; 7.7 percent to the bottom 80 percent

omg...

[spiderbaby1958]

Generally, I'm against hate, but I think it's worth noting that "hate" probably has more than one meaning, as does "love".

http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1600683

NPR story on BUSH HATE

BUSH's problem is that everything he does to energize the base of his supporters is going to energize the opposition. If you hate Bush, seeing a Bush campaign ad or watching him opportunistically break ground at a memorial for the 9/11 victims is only going to make you want to vote for Kerry all the more. If he's already behind, that's going to be a big big problem.

[killswitch1968]

Originally posted by Starbucks
omg...

Use your head before analyzing that. Ever wonder why there aren't any tax cuts for the poor? Because the poor don't pay taxes to begin with. Even the middle class, which also got a tax cut, don't pay nearly as much as 'the rich' do.
Also note that 'rich' people are hardly yacht owning CEOs. Many are 50-60 year olds who make $100,000-$150,000, putting kids through college, saving for retirement, and paying off a mortgage. All the while paying taxes on that. They would hardly deem themselves "rich".
Rich people give up over half the income as it is, which is usually pissed away by the government.

[Robroy]

Originally posted by baafie
Seems like the US presidential election is more about getting Bush out, then getting someone else in.

...to the Nader people...

[Robroy]

Originally posted by killswitch1968
Use your head before analyzing that. Ever wonder why there aren't any tax cuts for the poor? Because the poor don't pay taxes to begin with. Even the middle class, which also got a tax cut, don't pay nearly as much as 'the rich' do.
Also note that 'rich' people are hardly yacht owning CEOs. Many are 50-60 year olds who make $100,000-$150,000, putting kids through college, saving for retirement, and paying off a mortgage. All the while paying taxes on that. They would hardly deem themselves "rich".
Rich people give up over half the income as it is, which is usually pissed away by the government.

My uncle was a died-in-the-wool democrat. One day in the early seventies I was in the room when my mother asked him why he was a democrat. he said, "Because the democrats are for the little guy." My mother said, "Can you afford to own your own home?" "Yes."

"Then you're not the little guy!"

[spiderbaby1958]

THIS JUST IN!

Bush's approval rating hits an all-time low of 43 per cent!!!

Ooops!

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....3945047420.xml

[spiderbaby1958]

PS: If you own your own home, Bush is fucking you. Unfunded education mandates are pushing local prperty taxes upward. Oooops!

[marvinbarcelona]

Just add further weight to Bush's problems, Iraq is starting to go pear shaped in a very nasty manner. Comparisons with Vietnam are being made and looking correct.

[spiderbaby1958]

By the way, the idea that the working poor don't pay taxes is a myth. Eighty per cent of the population pays more tax in FICA taxes than in Income taxes, yet all of these tax cuts and discussions involve income taxes, creating a distorted image of the overall tax burden, and a distorted cut.

More signs that Bush is in trouble: Parts of the audience actually booed when Bush threw the first ball at a game in St. Louis. Reportedly, this was motivated in part by the fact that the presidential motorcade obstructed entrance to the stadium. It was also reported in the local papers that the stadium organization sought to avoid embarrassing the president by PIPING IN the sound of applause when he took the field!

[Hella]

Kerry is going to war!!

[spiderbaby1958]

More bad news for Bush: Today I read that, in spite of Thursday's astonishing display of verbal tapdancing by Dr. Condoleeza "Bojangles" Rice, three-quarters of Americans believe that the White House is either "hiding something" about warnings before 9/11, or outright "lying"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in611077.shtml

And Iraq continues to unravel! We're in an incredibly dangerous, delicate position here. As one commentator put it: "we can't leave, and we can't stay". Marvinbarcelona, here's one reason why comparisons to Vietnam are insufficient: this time the violence is a lot more likely to reach into our cities and homes. We shouldn't be in this mess, but now that we are, we need a thoughtful and nuanced response. We now have a president who says of himself "I don't do nuance."-- and boy, he sure has got ME convinced!

Somebody should introduce this guy to a nice intern, before he gets us all killed.

[spiderbaby1958]

I decided to ressurect this thread that I started back in April, just to remind you that you heard it here first. I'll have more to say on the matter later on; i got a busy morning ahead of me.

[whiteflip]

I hate unfunded mandates. Like how Bush set it up so the police forces across the country must guard structures but without providing funding for aditional police so that police pressence on the streets had to drop to cover the mandate. Now crime is on the rise because of it.

[Wolfgang]

I feel more loathing for Cheney than Bush, because the latter is just a poor idiot being manipulated by the former, an greedy, conscienceless and unscrupulous oil baron. Bush never earned a proper job before he became president. He sailed through college and Daddy helped him to get to run a baseball team (which he fucked up) and become governor of texas (where he was less than illustrious).

It is not only in the States that people are concerned about the outcome of the election. Unfortunately it'll affect us all.

[squakMix]

What would you do if Bush was re-elected?


...Eh, see, there's the problem. There's nothing you can do. If this dumbass gets re-elected, sure - I'll hate him worse than ever, but there's nothing I would be able to fucking do about it. A draft will be reinstated, I'll be shipped off to fight a war I dont believe in or back up in ANY way, and Still: I would have no say in what happends to me, and would end up wasting years of my life (if not dying) to support a total IDIOT. Seriously. Someone that STARTED A FUCKING WAR for NO APPARENT REASON. Fuck Bush. He's ruining our country, and virtually strangling democracy.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Ranting like that does nothing productive... it just makes one look an idiot. Make sure you check the facts first.

I'll believe the draft when I see it. It sounds like media hype to me.

No apparent reason? I'll give you one. Saddam's slaughter of thousands of innocents.

America is a Democratic Republic.

I don't like Bush, but bashing him unfairly just makes people want to ignore you.

[watadoo]

Rich people give up over half the income as it is, which is usually pissed away by the government.<<

The top tax rates are more like the mid thirties. Nobody pays 50% or more of their income to the IRS.

And by definition, when one is rich one can afford a phallanx of expert tax accountants to devise plans for hiding/protecting/offshoring income from the Feds.

[Pixelcraft]

The theory going around in my family:

They already found Osama, and right before the election, they're gonna finally let America know, and Bush will get all the credit and glory.

[CaboWaboAddict]

So if they got him, what's the diff?

[squakMix]

Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict
Ranting like that does nothing productive... it just makes one look an idiot. Make sure you check the facts first.

I'll believe the draft when I see it. It sounds like media hype to me.

No apparent reason? I'll give you one. Saddam's slaughter of thousands of innocents.

America is a Democratic Republic.

I don't like Bush, but bashing him unfairly just makes people want to ignore you.

Yea, so lets see what you did in this post:

1: You called me an Idiot
2: You ignored the fact that an official article said that a draft was imminent. You'll believe it when you see it? What? Do you believe in god? Do you believe in outer space, or anything too small to see (molecules and the such)? Hell, Unless you've been to iraq you shouldnt believe that exists either.
3: You stated one "fact" that doest justify anything. Yep. He slaughtered "thousands" of people. Fine. Then dont make it seem like we are fighting a war to "protect" the country. He's not fighting terrorism on this country, hese just "helping" a country we have no business helping. Why arent we in south africa fighting poverty and dictatorship? It's not as if IRAQ is the only third world country with much suffering. My point is that their problems are not OURS. We have no business being in a country that:
A) Didnt ask for our help, and that
B) Didnt present any immediate danger to us or effect us in any way.

[whiteflip]

No one should pay more than 33% of their income to the government. And the federal government should stop telling states what to do without providing the means neccessary to acomplish what they ask. I don't know how much the richest Americans pay in taxes and how much the middle and lower classes pay. I don't have those numbers.

[CaboWaboAddict]

Originally posted by squakMix
Yea, so lets see what you did in this post:

1: You called me an Idiot
2: You ignored the fact that an official article said that a draft was imminent. You'll believe it when you see it? What? Do you believe in god? Do you believe in outer space, or anything too small to see (molecules and the such)? Hell, Unless you've been to iraq you shouldnt believe that exists either.
3: You stated one "fact" that doest justify anything. Yep. He slaughtered "thousands" of people. Fine. Then dont make it seem like we are fighting a war to "protect" the country. He's not fighting terrorism on this country, hese just "helping" a country we have no business helping. Why arent we in south africa fighting poverty and dictatorship? It's not as if IRAQ is the only third world country with much suffering. My point is that their problems are not OURS. We have no business being in a country that:
A) Didnt ask for our help, and that
B) Didnt present any immediate danger to us or effect us in any way.

1.Didn't call you an idiot. Check what I did say.
2.Yeah I believe in stuff I can't see. I didn't even imply that I didn't. I said it sounds like hype. People in the media have gotten lots of things wrong before. That's the reason for retractions. I said it 'sounds like' cause your link don't work so there's no way to read whatever was your evidence.
3.I suppose we are supposed to just sit back and not get involved in the world. Sounds like the attitude we had just before WWII. I disagree with you... Its our world therefore its our problem.

[squakMix]

The article I was linking to is down.
How is it our problem? I know I would be exactly the same if this war didnt happen.

[Pixelcraft]

Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict
So if they got him, what's the diff?

Originally posted by Pixelcraft
right before the election, they're gonna finally let America know, and Bush will get all the credit and glory

Did I misunderstand you, or did you just miss this obvious statement?

[Wolfgang]

Originally posted by squakMix
... dont make it seem like we are fighting a war to "protect" the country. He's not fighting terrorism on this country, hese just "helping" a country we have no business helping. Why arent we in south africa fighting poverty and dictatorship? It's not as if IRAQ is the only third world country with much suffering. My point is that their problems are not OURS. We have no business being in a country that:
A) Didnt ask for our help, and that
B) Didnt present any immediate danger to us or effect us in any way.

Agreed totally. Addict, you don't realise that the US has a really bad reputation for sticking its nose where it isn't welcome. Nobody else does it, what makes you think you can do whatever you want (where by you I mean your government)? For God's sake, you would have thought Vietnam, Korea and everything your country has done in Latin America would be a lesson.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict
I don't like Bush, but bashing him unfairly just makes people want to ignore you.

In other threads you seem to be quite adamant about Bush being the ticket and that you will vote for him, particularly because Kerry is a sack of shit, or something as sophisticatedly to the same effect.

[purplesilk]

Originally posted by baafie
Seems like the US presidential election is more about getting Bush out, then getting someone else in.

I agree.