32,000 words...

fwgx · 15th April 2004, 22:26

and counting, and my final year project SILL isn't finished! This is getting ridiculous! I'm on over 180 pages and I still have 2.5 chapters to do! Damn it.

eleet-2k2 · 15th April 2004, 22:29

Is that the final project you wanted the first chapter or intro proof-read for?

SSJ4 Gogitta · 15th April 2004, 22:29

How many students are doing this? And are the teachers actually going to read this?

morgado · 15th April 2004, 22:36

Good question. Will anyone actually read this ?!
I don't doubt it's good ... not this ..
It's just that ... is too much words ...

Hollow · 15th April 2004, 22:40

This is what? Final year of HS? I know people whose PhD thesis was't that long.

fwgx · 15th April 2004, 22:44

Quote:

Originally posted by eleet-2k2
Is that the final project you wanted the first chapter or intro proof-read for?

Yup.

I guess 150 students, about 8-10 per tutor.

It's double spaced mind and only about 80 pages are the main content of it. The rest are appendicies that include a 15 page requirements spec, a risk analysis, a test plan, test cases, test results, design diagrams, 8 pages on a previous idea for a project etc etc. I'm onto appendix O I think (a,b,c...O!!!) The contents page is actually 3 pages!

Hollow: final year computer science project

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 15th April 2004, 23:33

Holy shit, man.

d0rk · 15th April 2004, 23:44

What exactly is it on?

fwgx · 16th April 2004, 00:14

a delta compression download utility. Aimed at 56kers to reduce the download size of files that are updated often.

d0rk · 16th April 2004, 00:40

You could get rich off of that

Coman · 16th April 2004, 04:42

submit one sheet of paper that says: get a cable.

lostonline · 16th April 2004, 07:54

That's a big document to write

Lapikas · 16th April 2004, 10:19

My final year project is going to be about 30 pages.. Max. And I'm on page 10

180 pages!! Damn, that's one hell of a pile of paper.

fwgx · 16th April 2004, 11:35

Have a gander at it =\:

Open office format
PDF format

Lapikas · 16th April 2004, 12:30

Well.. like I have anything better to do..

Reading...........

Hollow · 16th April 2004, 14:28

Quote:

heading for the kettle

heh.

fwgx · 16th April 2004, 17:11

bloody hell, you got that far!

Hollow · 17th April 2004, 00:29

heh actually i read a good deal of it ~60 pages. That was by far the best expression in it.

k_rock923 · 17th April 2004, 01:18

i could have used a compression utility for downloading that. . .

Kickboy12 · 17th April 2004, 01:28

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
i could have used a compression utility for downloading that. . .

No kiddin...
Takin me a while to download. It'll finish eventually.

horse-fly · 17th April 2004, 01:40

oh god!

fwgx · 18th April 2004, 22:02

This is quite sweet.

If you wanted to upgrade from version 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 of the gcc-java compiler you would currently have to download a 4.5MB gziped file. Using the wonders of my program you now only need 700K to get the new tar file! That's a 6.5x decrease in bandwidth use!

I'll finish off analysing its performance on different file types tomorrow.

Too-DAMN-Much · 19th April 2004, 06:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
Using the wonders of my program you now only need 700K to get the new tar file! That's a 6.5x decrease in bandwidth use!

uhhhh....
weren't .tar files made to be inherently smaller in the first place?

fwgx · 19th April 2004, 10:49

no. Tar files aren't compressed, they're just a package of files in one file. That's why a lot of things you find on the net are in .tar.gz format, because first the files are packaged together into one file and are then compressed.

I've also managed to get the 145MB gcc3.3.3.tar package to compress down to 7.5MB. But as the program runs off file differences it's very poor on gziped files because even small changes in the contents causes big changes throughout the whole file. So on a 4.5MB gziped file the delta actually comes out at 6.6MB, which is larger than downloading the new version anyway!

prodangle · 19th April 2004, 18:31

I'm in my second last year of an ESE (Electronic and Software Engineering) degree just now. I just handed my project report in a few weeks ago. It was 90 pages long, with no double spacing - it was done by a team of 4, and did have a lot of diagrams though

indicavia · 19th April 2004, 19:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Phily Baby
I've also managed to get the 145MB gcc3.3.3.tar package to compress down to 7.5MB.

that sounds sweet!

I don't get how it's possible to do anything like that..!

just one coment on your report: "Internet" is writen with a capital "I"..

fwgx · 19th April 2004, 22:44

not in my book!

k_rock923 · 19th April 2004, 23:15

well it's not a book yet but i'm sure you could make it long enough to be a book if you wanted to.

fwgx · 23rd April 2004, 11:02

Final size is 187 pages and 40,870 words!

report [pdf]
report [OOo sxw]

And if you were wondering, this is what it looks like:

And I had to print two copies.

Also, if you find any errors don't tell me, I'm not changing it anymore and I'm quite happy to be ignorant.

lostonline · 23rd April 2004, 12:58

Well done! Might have a look through it if I get some time, seems like quite an interesting project.

prodangle · 24th April 2004, 15:08

Out of interest, how did you fine Openoffice for writing such a long report? I know people who have written thesis in Word, and it's absolutely terrible. After you get over something like 50 pages, word just takes ages to load up the document or do anything.

I used latex to write my report. It can be a real pain sometimes, but it's easy to split the document up into multiple parts and edit it via CVS, which is good for a team project. It also produces very professional looking documents.

fwgx · 25th April 2004, 00:17

It's quirky but it did the job ok i guess. It requires a different mind set for a lot of things. Also the syles are weird, you apply a sytle to some text but it's more dependent on the current text style than the ones your trying to set. In the end I wrote down what each subheading style was and went through it all changing it. didn't take too long but was very annoying.

MikeHunt79 · 25th April 2004, 23:10

Oh man, 40,000 words? Don't you have a word limit or somthing?

Mine's due in in 2 weeks, and I'm meant to be doing it now. Currently, source code with comments = 20,000 words. Need to get the rest done now. Oh, and for the project I put a computer in my car, and am running winamp 5 on it with a home-made skin, hence source code.

fwgx · 26th April 2004, 02:35

There was a very loosly reccomended page limit but no word limit. I wrote 7000 lines of code too.

And I've just spent the past 6 or 7 hours panicking because I realised it didn't actually work. Thankfully it does now and even bigger thanks that it doesn't affect my analysis I've already done.

It's done, printed bound, code finished, CD of code made and stuck to the report. Now I just have to get up in time to hand it it.

MikeHunt79 · 26th April 2004, 02:54

Good to hear u got the code going... I reackon that's gonna feel so good once you've given it in.

FWIW, We have an 8000 word limit, but that doesn't included what's in the appendix. Anyway, I'd better get away from the forums and back to bloody Microsoft Word.

15th April 2004, 22:26	#1
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	32,000 words... and counting, and my final year project SILL isn't finished! This is getting ridiculous! I'm on over 180 pages and I still have 2.5 chapters to do! Damn it. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

15th April 2004, 22:29	#2
eleet-2k2 Forum King Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,381	Is that the final project you wanted the first chapter or intro proof-read for? "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.

15th April 2004, 22:36	#4
morgado Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: away from my baby Posts: 1,097	Good question. Will anyone actually read this ?! I don't doubt it's good ... not this .. It's just that ... is too much words ... I Love You Ana Luiza MSN

15th April 2004, 22:40	#5
Hollow Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Baker Lab, Ithaca NY Posts: 1,128	This is what? Final year of HS? I know people whose PhD thesis was't that long. The moon is made of cheese. Oh for some tasty moon cheese. www.redtetrahedron.org

15th April 2004, 23:44	#8
d0rk I contribute nothing. (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Virgacalementoflagantionio Posts: 3,031	What exactly is it on? I came for the hatred. I stayed for the ballbag.

15th April 2004, 22:29	#3
SSJ4 Gogitta Followed by Gnomes (Forum King) Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: West Virginia Googolplex: 10^10¹°° FB:/SSJ4.DominusDeus DeviantArt: DominusDeus Xbox: DominusDeus Posts: 7,011	How many students are doing this? And are the teachers actually going to read this?

15th April 2004, 23:33	#7
sgtfuzzbubble011 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 60,767	Holy shit, man.

16th April 2004, 00:14	#9
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	a delta compression download utility. Aimed at 56kers to reduce the download size of files that are updated often. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

16th April 2004, 00:40	#10
d0rk I contribute nothing. (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Virgacalementoflagantionio Posts: 3,031	You could get rich off of that I came for the hatred. I stayed for the ballbag.

16th April 2004, 04:42	#11
Coman Punk (Forum King) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 4.5th dimension . . Posts: infinitely few Posts: 2,799	submit one sheet of paper that says: get a cable. "Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?"

16th April 2004, 07:54	#12
lostonline Where am I? (Major Dude) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 680	That's a big document to write Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. -- Homer Simpson

16th April 2004, 10:19	#13
Lapikas Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: the other side.. Posts: 670	My final year project is going to be about 30 pages.. Max. And I'm on page 10 180 pages!! Damn, that's one hell of a pile of paper. The requested SIG could not be retrieved

16th April 2004, 11:35	#14
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	Have a gander at it =\: Open office format PDF format .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

16th April 2004, 12:30	#15
Lapikas Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: the other side.. Posts: 670	Well.. like I have anything better to do.. Reading........... The requested SIG could not be retrieved

16th April 2004, 17:11	#17
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	bloody hell, you got that far! .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

17th April 2004, 00:29	#18
Hollow Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Baker Lab, Ithaca NY Posts: 1,128	heh actually i read a good deal of it ~60 pages. That was by far the best expression in it. The moon is made of cheese. Oh for some tasty moon cheese. www.redtetrahedron.org

17th April 2004, 01:18	#19
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	i could have used a compression utility for downloading that. . . Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

17th April 2004, 01:40	#21
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	oh god!

18th April 2004, 22:02	#22
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	This is quite sweet. If you wanted to upgrade from version 3.3.2 to 3.3.3 of the gcc-java compiler you would currently have to download a 4.5MB gziped file. Using the wonders of my program you now only need 700K to get the new tar file! That's a 6.5x decrease in bandwidth use! I'll finish off analysing its performance on different file types tomorrow. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

19th April 2004, 10:49	#24
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	no. Tar files aren't compressed, they're just a package of files in one file. That's why a lot of things you find on the net are in .tar.gz format, because first the files are packaged together into one file and are then compressed. I've also managed to get the 145MB gcc3.3.3.tar package to compress down to 7.5MB. But as the program runs off file differences it's very poor on gziped files because even small changes in the contents causes big changes throughout the whole file. So on a 4.5MB gziped file the delta actually comes out at 6.6MB, which is larger than downloading the new version anyway! .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

19th April 2004, 18:31	#25
prodangle Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Scotland Posts: 718	I'm in my second last year of an ESE (Electronic and Software Engineering) degree just now. I just handed my project report in a few weeks ago. It was 90 pages long, with no double spacing - it was done by a team of 4, and did have a lot of diagrams though

19th April 2004, 22:44	#27
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	not in my book! .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

19th April 2004, 23:15	#28
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	well it's not a book yet but i'm sure you could make it long enough to be a book if you wanted to. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

23rd April 2004, 11:02	#29
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	Final size is 187 pages and 40,870 words! report [pdf] report [OOo sxw] And if you were wondering, this is what it looks like: And I had to print two copies. Also, if you find any errors don't tell me, I'm not changing it anymore and I'm quite happy to be ignorant. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

23rd April 2004, 12:58	#30
lostonline Where am I? (Major Dude) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 680	Well done! Might have a look through it if I get some time, seems like quite an interesting project. Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try. -- Homer Simpson

24th April 2004, 15:08	#31
prodangle Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Scotland Posts: 718	Out of interest, how did you fine Openoffice for writing such a long report? I know people who have written thesis in Word, and it's absolutely terrible. After you get over something like 50 pages, word just takes ages to load up the document or do anything. I used latex to write my report. It can be a real pain sometimes, but it's easy to split the document up into multiple parts and edit it via CVS, which is good for a team project. It also produces very professional looking documents.

25th April 2004, 00:17	#32
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	It's quirky but it did the job ok i guess. It requires a different mind set for a lot of things. Also the syles are weird, you apply a sytle to some text but it's more dependent on the current text style than the ones your trying to set. In the end I wrote down what each subheading style was and went through it all changing it. didn't take too long but was very annoying. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

25th April 2004, 23:10	#33
MikeHunt79 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 45	Oh man, 40,000 words? Don't you have a word limit or somthing? Mine's due in in 2 weeks, and I'm meant to be doing it now. Currently, source code with comments = 20,000 words. Need to get the rest done now. Oh, and for the project I put a computer in my car, and am running winamp 5 on it with a home-made skin, hence source code.

26th April 2004, 02:35	#34
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,315	There was a very loosly reccomended page limit but no word limit. I wrote 7000 lines of code too. And I've just spent the past 6 or 7 hours panicking because I realised it didn't actually work. Thankfully it does now and even bigger thanks that it doesn't affect my analysis I've already done. It's done, printed bound, code finished, CD of code made and stuck to the report. Now I just have to get up in time to hand it it. .: fwgx.co.uk.:.My art:. "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

26th April 2004, 02:54	#35
MikeHunt79 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 45	Good to hear u got the code going... I reackon that's gonna feel so good once you've given it in. FWIW, We have an 8000 word limit, but that doesn't included what's in the appendix. Anyway, I'd better get away from the forums and back to bloody Microsoft Word.

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