All ATI PCI-Express GPU's are bridged

Starbucks · 21st June 2004, 22:38

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Nvidia accuses ATI of FUD

But has cracked the ATI chip open

By Fuad Abazovic: Friday 18 June 2004, 07:22

IN NOT SO NICE document seen by the INQUIRER, Nvidia has again launched all out war on ATI. It's part retaliation to ATI dissing Nvidia's HSI and this is, we suppose, Graphzilla's way of letting its customers know what it really thinks about the Canadian firm.
Without discussing HSI's merits or demerits, as we're testing that in the next few days, we just want to show you one nice picture.

This is the proof that the INQ was correct in this article. Nvidia claims below that ATI chip is bridged inside and not native PCI Express, as ATI claimed.

Shame on ATI. Shame. But we should be happy to know that nVidia will move to a truly native solution in 3Q or 4Q.

mikm · 21st June 2004, 22:49

So, in layman's terms, the PCI-express version is the AGP version with a built-on converter?

And this means that there won't be much/any performance difference?

will · 21st June 2004, 22:51

Correct, their won't be any performace boost.

Myxomatosis · 22nd June 2004, 02:52

Now, why would they want to do this?

mikm · 22nd June 2004, 03:33

To sell the same cards at a higher cost, thus having a higher profit margin, and also to provide competition with Nvidia.

Hollow · 22nd June 2004, 04:25

Speed to market is much faster too.

MStar · 22nd June 2004, 05:50

<3 nVidia

horse-fly · 22nd June 2004, 06:01

ok... so can someone translate all of this to a regular non-super-compy-knower?

i know the difference between a pci outlet and a apg outlet, but i also noticed that most of the apg graphic cards are really good, while i can rarely find a pci graphics card. so basically, why is this a bad thing?

MStar · 22nd June 2004, 06:04

PCI express is the newest technology, it's going to replace AGP eventually.

It's faster than AGP, yet ATI's new card is just their old one with a PCI express converter attached, So it doesn't actually use the benefits of PCI express.

drewbar · 22nd June 2004, 06:06

PCI: Old
PCI Express: New

Different technologies.

PCI Express is the next big thing that will supposedly replace AGP and PCI all together.

horse-fly · 22nd June 2004, 06:12

ok, so it makes a lot more sense now

InvisableMan · 22nd June 2004, 06:50

i give nvidia about as much cridibility as apple. they lie almost as much about things like this. when i see it for myself out of ati's mouth i will believe it. till then i'm happy with mah 9800 xt.

MStar · 22nd June 2004, 07:20

You seriously think ATI's ever going to admit such defeat?

<3 nVidia

Starbucks · 22nd June 2004, 09:25

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i give nvidia about as much cridibility as apple. they lie almost as much about things like this. when i see it for myself out of ati's mouth i will believe it. till then i'm happy with mah 9800 xt.

Actually ATI has a lot of explaining to do. First ATI said that their PCI-Express cards are native, so naturally they bashed nVidia for first introducting a briged solution. But the whole time they were talking smack about nVidia's bridge, they have a bridged solution as well. Now ATI is saying that they will introduce a "bridged solution" a few months after the PCI-Express launch to save on manufacturing. Confusing isn't it? The die photos confirm everything. Intel said Prescott had 64-bit capability and no one belived it until they saw the photos themselves.

I've already made my decision when PCI-E comes out. I'm gettin an nVidia 6800U. Only because it boasts a little extra features that ATI doesn't have. PS 3.0, and some manufacturer's will include Dual DVI. Comes in real handy if you have Dual Samsung LCDs.

Gonzotek · 22nd June 2004, 16:03

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Originally posted by Starbucks
.....Dual Samsung LCDs.

Drooooool

Scar Da Kookee · 22nd June 2004, 17:51

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Originally posted by InvisableMan
i'm happy with mah 9800 xt.

damnit, i'm still stuck w/ my Geforce 3 ti 500

i need a new card T_T

anyone willing to donate?

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 22nd June 2004, 22:34

At least you have a video card. Mine has onboard AGP (no AGP slot), which sucks much butt.

Myxomatosis · 23rd June 2004, 01:03

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Originally posted by Starbucks
Actually ATI has a lot of explaining to do. First ATI said that their PCI-Express cards are native, so naturally they bashed nVidia for first introducting a briged solution. But the whole time they were talking smack about nVidia's bridge, they have a bridged solution as well. Now ATI is saying that they will introduce a "bridged solution" a few months after the PCI-Express launch to save on manufacturing. Confusing isn't it? The die photos confirm everything. Intel said Prescott had 64-bit capability and no one belived it until they saw the photos themselves.

I've already made my decision when PCI-E comes out. I'm gettin an nVidia 6800U. Only because it boasts a little extra features that ATI doesn't have. PS 3.0, and some manufacturer's will include Dual DVI. Comes in real handy if you have Dual Samsung LCDs.

nVidia just announced that the 6800 Ultra doesn't need two power connecters anymore. Instead of a 480 watt power supply, it only requires a quality 350 I think. The only drawback is that there's little to no room for safely overclocking.

toqer · 23rd June 2004, 04:56

Just wait till Doom3 comes out before you buy anything, then this glue chip shit should be long forgotten and native cards will be out.

21st June 2004, 22:49	#2
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,287	So, in layman's terms, the PCI-express version is the AGP version with a built-on converter? And this means that there won't be much/any performance difference? powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

21st June 2004, 22:51	#3
will Nullsoft Newbie (Moderator) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 5,569	Correct, their won't be any performace boost. DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH SUPPORT QUESTIONS

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mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: somewhere else Posts: 1,287	To sell the same cards at a higher cost, thus having a higher profit margin, and also to provide competition with Nvidia. powered by C₈H₁₀N₄O₂

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Hollow Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Baker Lab, Ithaca NY Posts: 1,128	Speed to market is much faster too. The moon is made of cheese. Oh for some tasty moon cheese. www.redtetrahedron.org

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MStar Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hardcore Heaven Posts: 1,491	<3 nVidia

22nd June 2004, 06:01	#8
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	ok... so can someone translate all of this to a regular non-super-compy-knower? i know the difference between a pci outlet and a apg outlet, but i also noticed that most of the apg graphic cards are really good, while i can rarely find a pci graphics card. so basically, why is this a bad thing?

22nd June 2004, 06:04	#9
MStar Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hardcore Heaven Posts: 1,491	PCI express is the newest technology, it's going to replace AGP eventually. It's faster than AGP, yet ATI's new card is just their old one with a PCI express converter attached, So it doesn't actually use the benefits of PCI express.

22nd June 2004, 06:06	#10
drewbar Sawg 2.0 Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5,916	PCI: Old PCI Express: New Different technologies. PCI Express is the next big thing that will supposedly replace AGP and PCI all together. Count with us! Jan 1st, 12AM (PST, GMT -8) 2010 - 282,246

22nd June 2004, 06:12	#11
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	ok, so it makes a lot more sense now

22nd June 2004, 06:50	#12
InvisableMan Ninja Master! (Forum King) Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Hotel California Posts: 4,333	i give nvidia about as much cridibility as apple. they lie almost as much about things like this. when i see it for myself out of ati's mouth i will believe it. till then i'm happy with mah 9800 xt.

22nd June 2004, 07:20	#13
MStar Major Dude Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hardcore Heaven Posts: 1,491	You seriously think ATI's ever going to admit such defeat? <3 nVidia

22nd June 2004, 22:34	#17
sgtfuzzbubble011 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 60,839	At least you have a video card. Mine has onboard AGP (no AGP slot), which sucks much butt.

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toqer Winamp's Little Stalker (Member) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under a bridge Posts: 796	Just wait till Doom3 comes out before you buy anything, then this glue chip shit should be long forgotten and native cards will be out. Winamps Only Karaoke TV station, Live from the 7 Bamboo in San Jose California

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