Skin Concept

NewSkinna · 11th July 2004, 20:54

I Have Come Up With What I I Think Is A pretty Kewl Skin Concept... Very Basic Because Im New To SKinning....

ziege · 11th July 2004, 20:58

Right...

(Mr.Jones or somebody wrote a long text about these kind of posts, but I cannot seem to find it, sorry)

SLoB · 11th July 2004, 21:23

lol
yea merely showing us 1 layer with an inset is not enough to interest us, when youve got something more than that offering feel free to post an update
that is just a waste of time (atm at least!)

concepts come from within imo, what you have there is merely an idea that may have been just plonked together.
show us some concept sketches or something.

think about the design and where all the buttons are going to go, how do they integrate with the shape/size etc

a worthless thread imo, some1 delete it

carlosp · 11th July 2004, 21:25

ppppllllleeeeaaaasssseee guys, dun post such things. i mean it is nothing that a white shape with some blue. come on guy, post it after the whole graphic is done, i mean then people can say something about it and if you cannot code you can find someone to code it for you. but this is only bull****. Please excuse my expresion but slowly these threads starts to get annoying.

Velvet Sledge · 12th July 2004, 05:10

slowly getting annoying?! your must be far more patient then i.. this is stupid... where are the buttons suppose to go...

@Ziege: that thread your looking for it in the modern forum Sticky.. Should be here

MR Jones: can you possibly make that sticky title flashing perhaps... or bold flashy, with neon signs or something like that, just so it kinda attracts the attention of people with half hearted skin attempts...

Mr Jones · 12th July 2004, 07:09

I'm not sure if it was flashing neon and was advertising free porn and llama blow jobs it would catch peoples attention....

ziege · 12th July 2004, 11:47

Hmm actually I thought somebody wrote a post about people posting 1 layer rectangles with a bevel and a screen, then asking what we thought. Perhaps I imagined it O_O

That sticky thread you linked is a different issue, it's about people requesting having skins made for them.

Velvet Sledge · 12th July 2004, 12:01

ahh yes... good point... i do remember someone having a rant and rave about the rectangle with a f*** up shape that would take about 5 mins, and 1/2 ounce of imagination... might try and find it...

lectrospin · 12th July 2004, 12:54

why does everyone act like such assholes towards new people? Everyone has to start somewhere. Its no wonder there's so few decent winamp skins considering the attitude of some people on this forum.

Velvet Sledge · 12th July 2004, 13:11

well lectro... we were all new once right? but this is a game of the fittest survive, if you want to survive, make an effort, honestly, skinnas attempt at a skin is far from decent, i had no idea how to use any imaging program when i started skinning... but i made an effort to have a complete image before i showed it off... skinnas had 2 shapes and some shading... someone else posted a new skin design it was almost complete, they were asking for opinions about what was left to be done, and people were appreciative of an effort, skinna has fallen well short in this aspect... put in the miles and you'll get back the smiles. surely you can see my point of view...

Mr Jones · 12th July 2004, 13:24

There is "starting somewhere", and there is "starting somewhere"

Surely if you are coming to a media player forum to show off your latest idea for a media player skin, then you would have least have something that looks a little like a media player to start with and not just a square/circle/triangle/blob, or maybe that's just me stating the obvious.

To me, even a basic basic basssssssssssic player skin should contain a few obvious things to start with before you start moulding it into shape, lets look at them, or at least what I consider to be basic requirements.

Control buttons, pretty obvious, it's a music player, not much good if you can't press play.
Song ticker, always handy
window control buttons, not always essential, but useful never the less
Vis?, again, not always essential, but handy
volume/pos sliders, again, always handy , especially on something for media playback.

Now, come to the table with a few of those things already in place and most people will pay a bit of attention to you, come with a square box with nuffing on it, and most people will inwardly say "oh shit, not another square with nothing on it".

This isn't a problem that's unique to modern skins, oh no, it's been around for ever with classic skin, "here look, I drew this title bar, but I'm not sure what to do with the rest of it"

People are in such a rush to show off whatever tutorial they have just learnt in photoshop, they barely stop to think about anything else that might be needed, and that's what gets up peoples nose.

I've been saying this shit for years, it's only recently that other people have been voicing similar opinions...

Velvet Sledge · 12th July 2004, 13:39

even half that stuff you mentioned isn't necessary for a first time viewing... some cbuttons yes... other wise you haven't got a media player... it's be like a car with out a throttle pedal... display is okayish, look at many shade modes, next to no display there... song name and artist are a must have... vis... well most people just use the default spec analyser, or oscilloscope, so we all know what they look like... i think you'd get better feed back if you were to show a black and white outline sketch as oppose to a coloured blob..

lectrospin · 12th July 2004, 14:10

I understand, but it wasnt what people were saying but the way they were saying it. Some off it was simply malicious. Its not good for a new skinner to come to a forum and just get bile spat at them for a mistake. People should be more construstive and encourage people to come back when more work has done.

Velvet Sledge · 12th July 2004, 14:51

yeah, i see your point, but the way i understood what was said, no one was spitting bile at skinna directly, instead taking a shot at his half hearted skinning predecessors...

-=RoNtZ=- · 12th July 2004, 15:51

i'd love to give some creative critics, but in this state of development this is just not possible. it doesn'T even show your skill in gfx.
but i give you one tip, that makes your life easier in the forum (and in skinning!!)
when making a skin, make the first layers without any style... just a color and the right shape. this way you will have something to work with, it will grow much faster and you can post a much more developped skin in here in the same time. it also makes it easier for your mind to experiment with different layer styles.. hope this is helping

NewSkinna · 12th July 2004, 16:31

Hey guyz im really sorry i guess i wont be posting in a while i hope i didnt mean to cause any problems...
Sry...

NewSkinna · 12th July 2004, 16:33

sry i messed up there, I dint mean to cause any problems im sry

ziege · 12th July 2004, 18:01

No worries man, just wanted to let you know that it's kind of useless to post them at such an early stage, wasn't sure how long the 1-a-day thing was going to continue otherwise

If you're going to be starting a lot of different designs and want to know which we think has the most potential, why not wait until you have a whole bunch of them and post them all in one thread, we can pick which one we like best. Or if you know which skin you want to make, wait until you've done a lot more to it, because as others said it's impossible to tell what the final skin would be like from those shots.

No need to stop posting completely though, if you do need help with any part of the gfx (or coding) while putting it together just be very specific about what you want and feel free to ask

(Or search for tutorials, there's millions out there.)

11th July 2004, 20:58	#2
ziege Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 363	Right... (Mr.Jones or somebody wrote a long text about these kind of posts, but I cannot seem to find it, sorry) WIP: NSX-999

11th July 2004, 21:23	#3
SLoB Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 1,316	lol yea merely showing us 1 layer with an inset is not enough to interest us, when youve got something more than that offering feel free to post an update that is just a waste of time (atm at least!) concepts come from within imo, what you have there is merely an idea that may have been just plonked together. show us some concept sketches or something. think about the design and where all the buttons are going to go, how do they integrate with the shape/size etc a worthless thread imo, some1 delete it L8r SLoB Web Design \| Web Design Hampshire \| Web Development Hampshire

11th July 2004, 21:25	#4
carlosp Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,312	ppppllllleeeeaaaasssseee guys, dun post such things. i mean it is nothing that a white shape with some blue. come on guy, post it after the whole graphic is done, i mean then people can say something about it and if you cannot code you can find someone to code it for you. but this is only bull****. Please excuse my expresion but slowly these threads starts to get annoying. my skins: Nokia 3650, Spiderman Freeform, M3 (Manual), Simpsons Freeform(Idea, Coding), Freeamp Metaskins: WooHoo-FER , Ar-7

12th July 2004, 05:10	#5
Velvet Sledge Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia. Posts: 344	slowly getting annoying?! your must be far more patient then i.. this is stupid... where are the buttons suppose to go... @Ziege: that thread your looking for it in the modern forum Sticky.. Should be here MR Jones: can you possibly make that sticky title flashing perhaps... or bold flashy, with neon signs or something like that, just so it kinda attracts the attention of people with half hearted skin attempts... "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes, after that who cares... you a mile away, and you've got his shoes." - Billy Connelly "And the lord said unto john, come forth and recieve eternal life, but john came fifth and won a toaster" - Someone else in the winamp forums "There's nothing wrong with the voices in my head... except when they start singing "this is the song that doesn't end.... "" - Me

12th July 2004, 11:47	#7
ziege Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 363	Hmm actually I thought somebody wrote a post about people posting 1 layer rectangles with a bevel and a screen, then asking what we thought. Perhaps I imagined it O_O That sticky thread you linked is a different issue, it's about people requesting having skins made for them. WIP: NSX-999

12th July 2004, 07:09	#6
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	I'm not sure if it was flashing neon and was advertising free porn and llama blow jobs it would catch peoples attention....

12th July 2004, 12:01	#8
Velvet Sledge Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia. Posts: 344	ahh yes... good point... i do remember someone having a rant and rave about the rectangle with a f*** up shape that would take about 5 mins, and 1/2 ounce of imagination... might try and find it... "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes, after that who cares... you a mile away, and you've got his shoes." - Billy Connelly "And the lord said unto john, come forth and recieve eternal life, but john came fifth and won a toaster" - Someone else in the winamp forums "There's nothing wrong with the voices in my head... except when they start singing "this is the song that doesn't end.... "" - Me

12th July 2004, 12:54	#9
lectrospin Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 111	why does everyone act like such assholes towards new people? Everyone has to start somewhere. Its no wonder there's so few decent winamp skins considering the attitude of some people on this forum.

12th July 2004, 13:11	#10
Velvet Sledge Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia. Posts: 344	well lectro... we were all new once right? but this is a game of the fittest survive, if you want to survive, make an effort, honestly, skinnas attempt at a skin is far from decent, i had no idea how to use any imaging program when i started skinning... but i made an effort to have a complete image before i showed it off... skinnas had 2 shapes and some shading... someone else posted a new skin design it was almost complete, they were asking for opinions about what was left to be done, and people were appreciative of an effort, skinna has fallen well short in this aspect... put in the miles and you'll get back the smiles. surely you can see my point of view... "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes, after that who cares... you a mile away, and you've got his shoes." - Billy Connelly "And the lord said unto john, come forth and recieve eternal life, but john came fifth and won a toaster" - Someone else in the winamp forums "There's nothing wrong with the voices in my head... except when they start singing "this is the song that doesn't end.... "" - Me

12th July 2004, 13:24	#11
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	There is "starting somewhere", and there is "starting somewhere" Surely if you are coming to a media player forum to show off your latest idea for a media player skin, then you would have least have something that looks a little like a media player to start with and not just a square/circle/triangle/blob, or maybe that's just me stating the obvious. To me, even a basic basic basssssssssssic player skin should contain a few obvious things to start with before you start moulding it into shape, lets look at them, or at least what I consider to be basic requirements. Control buttons, pretty obvious, it's a music player, not much good if you can't press play. Song ticker, always handy window control buttons, not always essential, but useful never the less Vis?, again, not always essential, but handy volume/pos sliders, again, always handy , especially on something for media playback. Now, come to the table with a few of those things already in place and most people will pay a bit of attention to you, come with a square box with nuffing on it, and most people will inwardly say "oh shit, not another square with nothing on it". This isn't a problem that's unique to modern skins, oh no, it's been around for ever with classic skin, "here look, I drew this title bar, but I'm not sure what to do with the rest of it" People are in such a rush to show off whatever tutorial they have just learnt in photoshop, they barely stop to think about anything else that might be needed, and that's what gets up peoples nose. I've been saying this shit for years, it's only recently that other people have been voicing similar opinions...

12th July 2004, 13:39	#12
Velvet Sledge Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia. Posts: 344	even half that stuff you mentioned isn't necessary for a first time viewing... some cbuttons yes... other wise you haven't got a media player... it's be like a car with out a throttle pedal... display is okayish, look at many shade modes, next to no display there... song name and artist are a must have... vis... well most people just use the default spec analyser, or oscilloscope, so we all know what they look like... i think you'd get better feed back if you were to show a black and white outline sketch as oppose to a coloured blob.. "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes, after that who cares... you a mile away, and you've got his shoes." - Billy Connelly "And the lord said unto john, come forth and recieve eternal life, but john came fifth and won a toaster" - Someone else in the winamp forums "There's nothing wrong with the voices in my head... except when they start singing "this is the song that doesn't end.... "" - Me

12th July 2004, 14:10	#13
lectrospin Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 111	I understand, but it wasnt what people were saying but the way they were saying it. Some off it was simply malicious. Its not good for a new skinner to come to a forum and just get bile spat at them for a mistake. People should be more construstive and encourage people to come back when more work has done.

12th July 2004, 14:51	#14
Velvet Sledge Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oztralia. Posts: 344	yeah, i see your point, but the way i understood what was said, no one was spitting bile at skinna directly, instead taking a shot at his half hearted skinning predecessors... "Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes, after that who cares... you a mile away, and you've got his shoes." - Billy Connelly "And the lord said unto john, come forth and recieve eternal life, but john came fifth and won a toaster" - Someone else in the winamp forums "There's nothing wrong with the voices in my head... except when they start singing "this is the song that doesn't end.... "" - Me

12th July 2004, 15:51	#15
-=RoNtZ=- Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Universe > Milkyway > Sol > Earth > Europe > Germany > Bavaria > Near Nuremberg Posts: 1,346	i'd love to give some creative critics, but in this state of development this is just not possible. it doesn'T even show your skill in gfx. but i give you one tip, that makes your life easier in the forum (and in skinning!!) when making a skin, make the first layers without any style... just a color and the right shape. this way you will have something to work with, it will grow much faster and you can post a much more developped skin in here in the same time. it also makes it easier for your mind to experiment with different layer styles.. hope this is helping Frozen skins: Gravestone Betaskins: Mushroom ::-:: The Claw In development: TechnodropFinished: Draculas Helmet (<-- still waiting for some color themes!) ::-:: Hal's eye

12th July 2004, 16:31	#16
NewSkinna Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 10	Hey guyz im really sorry i guess i wont be posting in a while i hope i didnt mean to cause any problems... Sry...

12th July 2004, 16:33	#17
NewSkinna Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 10	sry i messed up there, I dint mean to cause any problems im sry

12th July 2004, 18:01	#18
ziege Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 363	No worries man, just wanted to let you know that it's kind of useless to post them at such an early stage, wasn't sure how long the 1-a-day thing was going to continue otherwise If you're going to be starting a lot of different designs and want to know which we think has the most potential, why not wait until you have a whole bunch of them and post them all in one thread, we can pick which one we like best. Or if you know which skin you want to make, wait until you've done a lot more to it, because as others said it's impossible to tell what the final skin would be like from those shots. No need to stop posting completely though, if you do need help with any part of the gfx (or coding) while putting it together just be very specific about what you want and feel free to ask (Or search for tutorials, there's millions out there.) WIP: NSX-999

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