need pc help

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 02:38

Ok, all of the sudden my pc started getting slow and lagging. Every few mins it takes a 3 sec break or smth cause the mouse doesnt move. It becomes unstable often. I rebooted and now it wont even get an ip from my router, just gets a 169.* ip. I ram spybot s&d and avast! antivirus and it found nothing. I dont want to format but its unusable atm, im on my laptop. I have too much porn to backup so I wanna wait til I get a 250GB hard drive tomorrow. Anyone have any ideas? the network cable is plugged in as I dont get a network cable unplugged message. My other pcs on the lan are fine. This one is plugged into a hub in my room, but nothing else is plugged into the hub

RetardMan · 18th July 2004, 02:40

maybe you ahve to many programs running. try closing some programs your not useing. focus on the ones that use alot of CPU.

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 02:43

Quote:

Originally posted by RetardMan
maybe you ahve to many programs running. try closing some programs your not useing. focus on the ones that use alot of CPU.

Nope, I tried shutting everything. I killed some stuff in task manager, said 155MB was being used and it was still slow. I have an athlon xp 3200+ and 768MB ram

dlichterman · 18th July 2004, 02:53

have you tried doing a repair install of windows,getting it at least running so you can backup your por....err "files". If not....then use knoppix to copy files to another HD or to CD

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 03:47

I think that reformatting is tossed around too much now. Isn't it supposed to be a last resort? Something weird happens, BAM! reformat. There's usually a way to fix the problem without resorting to such drastic measures. And if there isn't and you end up reformatting, do yourself a favor and make yourself a seperate partition for your windows installation. That way you won't have to worry about deleting data to fix this type of problem.

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 18th July 2004, 03:51

"Nah, man. I reformat my hard drive at least twice a week. Keeps things tidy."

Phyltre · 18th July 2004, 04:01

I have come to a realization. I recently perfomed a clean install of windows from a WinXP disk (some of you know why), and it was incredibly fast for several days. Then I remembered all the flaws that had been found since those turn-of-the-century days, and went to WinUpdate and got all that patchery. And guess what? Windows immediately slowed back to the way it had been before. Load-time (the time the icons in the lower right hand corner take to all appear) went from less than a second to roughly eight seconds or more, searching takes longer, pages take longer to load, and fractions of a second seem attached to nearly every action. Don't get me wrong, it still runs pretty fast; but those updates have bogged it down quite a bit!

So why do all thoses patches slow everything down so much? Do they all have to load with every instance?

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 04:04

http://www.kernel.org

ScorLibran · 18th July 2004, 04:16

Try using this product -----> http://www.tune-up.com/

It's free to try, and it should be able to fix any system problems you have without requiring you to buy it. (I hope...I bought it before I did very much with it, so I'm not sure what kind of limitations the demo version has...nothing but the time limit, I would think.)

Specifically, run 1-Click Maintenance first. It does a basic check of several parts of your system (registry, file structures, shortcuts, etc.) Then run Registry Cleaner. It'll do an in-depth analysis and repair of your registry...where many system slow-downs can occur.

Then check Process Manager to see what's running, and then Startup Manager to get rid of things at startup time that aren't needed and only slow the system down by eating up memory.

With SystemControl you can do discreet adjustments to system settings that you couldn't otherwise do in Windows. If you know your way around the registry, it comes with a very cool Registry Editor that's much more capable than Windows RegEdit. TuneUp System Optimizer can make one-step performance improvements to your system and network/internet connections.

And finally, you might try running MemOptimizer. It resides in memory, taking a few MB itself, but with it you can clear out memory when memory's running low. Low memory is the biggest culprit that causes bad system performance, and low memory is most often a result of too many things running at once. The tool I linked above can give you control over anything that runs on your system, as well as many other areas too.

Phyltre · 18th July 2004, 04:53

There's another realization I've come to; whenever I ask a question of this board, I'm likely to get one third answers, one third good jokes, and one third opt-out walkarounds.

I guess that's a pretty good ratio, though. Even if I know 90% of my stuff would never work with Linux from experience.

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 04:57

Didn't mean to offend anybody. All I'm saying is that in my experience, my stuff just worked better in linux. Its different for everyone. I can't be of much help with Win XP because I've never used it.

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 05:04

oh man this can't be good

horse-fly · 18th July 2004, 05:22

When was the last time you ran some type of registry cleaner or disk defragmenter, k_rock?

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 05:27

a very long time. That computer is a huge mess and truthfully i'm not really surprised it turned up so many problems. Since i got my new computer, i sort of stopped maintaing that one. I'm kind of hesitant to do a defrag right now. I have a suspicion the hard drive is on its last legs.

horse-fly · 18th July 2004, 05:32

How old is the hard drive?

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 05:33

1998

horse-fly · 18th July 2004, 05:41

Oh wow. Throw that dookie away.

k_rock923 · 18th July 2004, 05:46

yea, i'm amazed its lasted this long. Its a whopping 4 gigs. I might as well just throw the 4 gigs onto my new computer and go buy a new one to go with my nifty 133mhz processor. But, that comp gets the job done and all i really ask of it is to run aol so my linux machine can connect to the internet.

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 05:47

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
I think that reformatting is tossed around too much now. Isn't it supposed to be a last resort? Something weird happens, BAM! reformat. There's usually a way to fix the problem without resorting to such drastic measures. And if there isn't and you end up reformatting, do yourself a favor and make yourself a seperate partition for your windows installation. That way you won't have to worry about deleting data to fix this type of problem.

I had windows on a seperate drive, but I filled up my other two drives with porn so started saving to the windows drive, and er.. yeah

I did a recovery install and it went into a reboot loop so im installing over the old installation, which I know wont delete my my documents folder, but will be uber shitatic slow. but Ill do a full format after I get another hard drive tommorrow

mark · 18th July 2004, 09:52

Quote:

Originally posted by k_rock923
I think that reformatting is tossed around too much now. Isn't it supposed to be a last resort? Something weird happens, BAM! reformat. There's usually a way to fix the problem without resorting to such drastic measures. And if there isn't and you end up reformatting, do yourself a favor and make yourself a seperate partition for your windows installation. That way you won't have to worry about deleting data to fix this type of problem.

Any one who is like me and just installs stuff willy nilly ends up with a slow system. I usually format every 6 months or more whether theres a problem or not, it just slows down too much.

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 17:28

I dont see why the hell it wont get an ip. I tested it with my laptop and the hub and wire are fine

Kyjan · 18th July 2004, 19:39

1. Go to your command prompt (Start -> Run -> 'cmd' for 2k/XP, or Start -> Run -> 'command' for all other versions of Windows) and type in 'ping 127.0.0.1' to make sure your TCP/IP wasn't corrupted.
2. If you get a response, make sure your router is still using DHCP to assign IP address. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 for the login address (yours may be different though). Even though you aren't getting an IP, you should be able to log into the router.
3. If it's setup for DHCP access, perhaps you could try reinstalling your NIC drivers.

If that doesn't work, then what version of Windows are you running?

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 19:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyjan
1. Go to your command prompt (Start -> Run -> 'cmd' for 2k/XP, or Start -> Run -> 'command' for all other versions of Windows) and type in 'ping 127.0.0.1' to make sure your TCP/IP wasn't corrupted.
2. If you get a response, make sure your router is still using DHCP to assign IP address. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 for the login address (yours may be different though). Even though you aren't getting an IP, you should be able to log into the router.
3. If it's setup for DHCP access, perhaps you could try reinstalling your NIC drivers.

If that doesn't work, then what version of Windows are you running?

I unpluged the lan cable and did ping 127.0.0.1 and get destination unreachable. Also weird is I only get the stuttering when my network cable is plugged in.

Edit: I have windows xp pro, an athlon xp 3200+, 768MB ram, Abit NF7 mobo

Kyjan · 18th July 2004, 19:58

What happens when you plug in the cable and ping the localhost?

From the way it sounds, I would suggest either your NIC is bad or the drivers are incorrectly installed. Also, be sure to try a different cable to make sure that it's not the one you're using.

GqSkrub · 18th July 2004, 20:16

try www.trendmicro.com for your antivirus check. Your avast might not have been up to date? If not that ... you can go wherever you get your porn and get something better...

ctn|chrisw · 18th July 2004, 20:29

Im sure my avast! is up to date cause I updated it the day before my pc fucked over. I think its an nic prob too, its the nic built into my mobo and the mobo isnt very old :|

Kyjan · 18th July 2004, 20:33

Doesn't mean that there's not an issue. I've heard cases of mobos being taken out of the bag and having a problem in one of the DIMMs, etc. Like I said, try a driver installation and see if that fixes it first before you go unscrewing things. hehe

Cleanup · 18th July 2004, 20:51

Give me the pr0n and I'll back it up for you.

dlichterman · 18th July 2004, 20:59

on my mobo the USB just seemed to slowly stop working on my board. I think you may have a mobo problem. if you can get a PCI nic from a friend and test that

mark · 19th July 2004, 11:32

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleanup
Give me the pr0n and I'll back it up for you.

pssssssst, he's gay!

kingo'mountain · 19th July 2004, 12:34

say, SHEMALE!!!!!

mark · 19th July 2004, 13:25

AFAIK, chris is as male as most gay guys get...

kingo'mountain · 19th July 2004, 13:45

if its referred to me, i talked about his pr0n, not chris himself

Rocker · 19th July 2004, 14:07

Quote:

Originally posted by Cleanup
Give me the pr0n and I'll back it up for you.

i think he should......

CaboWaboAddict · 19th July 2004, 16:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Kyjan
From the way it sounds, I would suggest either your NIC is bad or the drivers are incorrectly installed. Also, be sure to try a different cable to make sure that it's not the one you're using.

I agree with this assesment.

Quote:

Originally posted by Nobby Nobbs
Any one who is like me and just installs stuff willy nilly ends up with a slow system. I usually format every 6 months or more whether theres a problem or not, it just slows down too much.

I have a backup hard drive for each of my systems. It contains a fresh configured install of the OS, all my apps & tools. Every 6 months or so, I format my system's boot drive and copy this to it. Keep my data and stuff on my D: drive. No fuss, no muss.

Kyjan · 19th July 2004, 17:28

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict

I have a backup hard drive for each of my systems. It contains a fresh configured install of the OS, all my apps & tools. Every 6 months or so, I format my system's boot drive and copy this to it. Keep my data and stuff on my D: drive. No fuss, no muss.

Now this is a very smart idea. That way, instead of re-configuring everytime you reformat (which for me is twice a year), you can just copy the drive over and be done with it.

mark · 19th July 2004, 17:38

or you can make a windows xp cd that will install all your ass automatically, although its more hassle. I''ll probably do neither though, as my list of "essensial apps changes regularly...

CaboWaboAddict · 19th July 2004, 18:12

Yeah, so do I partially. But everytime, I want Office XP, Visual Studio 6, Visual Studio.NET, WinAmp w/plugins, Video Players, DVD Writer Software, Radeon drivers, Sound Blaster drivers, etc. etc.

The games and stuff get installed when I want them to the target drive only.

ctn|chrisw · 19th July 2004, 20:11

Norton ghost ++; But I was too lazy to reinstall it last time -.-

Kyjan · 19th July 2004, 21:07

I've heard many people say Ghost is awesome. Better than Partition Magic from what I understand.

18th July 2004, 02:38	#1
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	need pc help Ok, all of the sudden my pc started getting slow and lagging. Every few mins it takes a 3 sec break or smth cause the mouse doesnt move. It becomes unstable often. I rebooted and now it wont even get an ip from my router, just gets a 169.* ip. I ram spybot s&d and avast! antivirus and it found nothing. I dont want to format but its unusable atm, im on my laptop. I have too much porn to backup so I wanna wait til I get a 250GB hard drive tomorrow. Anyone have any ideas? the network cable is plugged in as I dont get a network cable unplugged message. My other pcs on the lan are fine. This one is plugged into a hub in my room, but nothing else is plugged into the hub

18th July 2004, 02:53	#4
dlichterman Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Where Hell Froze Over Posts: 2,468	have you tried doing a repair install of windows,getting it at least running so you can backup your por....err "files". If not....then use knoppix to copy files to another HD or to CD Software is like sex: It's better when it's free.--If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0--Guess the band from pics game

18th July 2004, 03:47	#5
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	I think that reformatting is tossed around too much now. Isn't it supposed to be a last resort? Something weird happens, BAM! reformat. There's usually a way to fix the problem without resorting to such drastic measures. And if there isn't and you end up reformatting, do yourself a favor and make yourself a seperate partition for your windows installation. That way you won't have to worry about deleting data to fix this type of problem. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 04:04	#8
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	http://www.kernel.org Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 04:16	#9
ScorLibran Resident Floydian Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,226	Try using this product -----> http://www.tune-up.com/ It's free to try, and it should be able to fix any system problems you have without requiring you to buy it. (I hope...I bought it before I did very much with it, so I'm not sure what kind of limitations the demo version has...nothing but the time limit, I would think.) Specifically, run 1-Click Maintenance first. It does a basic check of several parts of your system (registry, file structures, shortcuts, etc.) Then run Registry Cleaner. It'll do an in-depth analysis and repair of your registry...where many system slow-downs can occur. Then check Process Manager to see what's running, and then Startup Manager to get rid of things at startup time that aren't needed and only slow the system down by eating up memory. With SystemControl you can do discreet adjustments to system settings that you couldn't otherwise do in Windows. If you know your way around the registry, it comes with a very cool Registry Editor that's much more capable than Windows RegEdit. TuneUp System Optimizer can make one-step performance improvements to your system and network/internet connections. And finally, you might try running MemOptimizer. It resides in memory, taking a few MB itself, but with it you can clear out memory when memory's running low. Low memory is the biggest culprit that causes bad system performance, and low memory is most often a result of too many things running at once. The tool I linked above can give you control over anything that runs on your system, as well as many other areas too. I'm a psychosomatic sister running around without a leash.

18th July 2004, 02:40	#2
RetardMan Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Magicland Posts: 19	maybe you ahve to many programs running. try closing some programs your not useing. focus on the ones that use alot of CPU.

18th July 2004, 03:51	#6
sgtfuzzbubble011 Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 60,767	"Nah, man. I reformat my hard drive at least twice a week. Keeps things tidy."

18th July 2004, 04:01	#7
Phyltre Forum King Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751	I have come to a realization. I recently perfomed a clean install of windows from a WinXP disk (some of you know why), and it was incredibly fast for several days. Then I remembered all the flaws that had been found since those turn-of-the-century days, and went to WinUpdate and got all that patchery. And guess what? Windows immediately slowed back to the way it had been before. Load-time (the time the icons in the lower right hand corner take to all appear) went from less than a second to roughly eight seconds or more, searching takes longer, pages take longer to load, and fractions of a second seem attached to nearly every action. Don't get me wrong, it still runs pretty fast; but those updates have bogged it down quite a bit! So why do all thoses patches slow everything down so much? Do they all have to load with every instance?

18th July 2004, 04:53	#10
Phyltre Forum King Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Freefall Posts: 2,751	There's another realization I've come to; whenever I ask a question of this board, I'm likely to get one third answers, one third good jokes, and one third opt-out walkarounds. I guess that's a pretty good ratio, though. Even if I know 90% of my stuff would never work with Linux from experience.

18th July 2004, 04:57	#11
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	Didn't mean to offend anybody. All I'm saying is that in my experience, my stuff just worked better in linux. Its different for everyone. I can't be of much help with Win XP because I've never used it. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 05:22	#13
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	When was the last time you ran some type of registry cleaner or disk defragmenter, k_rock?

18th July 2004, 05:27	#14
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	a very long time. That computer is a huge mess and truthfully i'm not really surprised it turned up so many problems. Since i got my new computer, i sort of stopped maintaing that one. I'm kind of hesitant to do a defrag right now. I have a suspicion the hard drive is on its last legs. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 05:32	#15
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	How old is the hard drive?

18th July 2004, 05:33	#16
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	1998 Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 05:41	#17
horse-fly Account Closed Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,360	Oh wow. Throw that dookie away.

18th July 2004, 05:46	#18
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,786	yea, i'm amazed its lasted this long. Its a whopping 4 gigs. I might as well just throw the 4 gigs onto my new computer and go buy a new one to go with my nifty 133mhz processor. But, that comp gets the job done and all i really ask of it is to run aol so my linux machine can connect to the internet. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

18th July 2004, 17:28	#21
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	I dont see why the hell it wont get an ip. I tested it with my laptop and the hub and wire are fine

18th July 2004, 19:39	#22
Kyjan Soul Reaver (Member) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Somewhere in Peach Country Posts: 133	1. Go to your command prompt (Start -> Run -> 'cmd' for 2k/XP, or Start -> Run -> 'command' for all other versions of Windows) and type in 'ping 127.0.0.1' to make sure your TCP/IP wasn't corrupted. 2. If you get a response, make sure your router is still using DHCP to assign IP address. Most routers use 192.168.1.1 for the login address (yours may be different though). Even though you aren't getting an IP, you should be able to log into the router. 3. If it's setup for DHCP access, perhaps you could try reinstalling your NIC drivers. If that doesn't work, then what version of Windows are you running?

18th July 2004, 19:58	#24
Kyjan Soul Reaver (Member) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Somewhere in Peach Country Posts: 133	What happens when you plug in the cable and ping the localhost? From the way it sounds, I would suggest either your NIC is bad or the drivers are incorrectly installed. Also, be sure to try a different cable to make sure that it's not the one you're using.

18th July 2004, 20:16	#25
GqSkrub Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lancaster Pennsylvania Posts: 896	try www.trendmicro.com for your antivirus check. Your avast might not have been up to date? If not that ... you can go wherever you get your porn and get something better... No sig here folks.

18th July 2004, 20:29	#26
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	Im sure my avast! is up to date cause I updated it the day before my pc fucked over. I think its an nic prob too, its the nic built into my mobo and the mobo isnt very old :\|

18th July 2004, 20:33	#27
Kyjan Soul Reaver (Member) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Somewhere in Peach Country Posts: 133	Doesn't mean that there's not an issue. I've heard cases of mobos being taken out of the bag and having a problem in one of the DIMMs, etc. Like I said, try a driver installation and see if that fixes it first before you go unscrewing things. hehe

18th July 2004, 20:51	#28
Cleanup The WWYD Jerk (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shanghai Posts: 2,385	Give me the pr0n and I'll back it up for you. cleanup.myspace \ cleanup.devart \ cleanup.lastfm the what do you do? game thread! play for fun, posts don't count toward your postcount.

18th July 2004, 20:59	#29
dlichterman Forum King Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Where Hell Froze Over Posts: 2,468	on my mobo the USB just seemed to slowly stop working on my board. I think you may have a mobo problem. if you can get a PCI nic from a friend and test that Software is like sex: It's better when it's free.--If at first you don't succeed; call it version 1.0--Guess the band from pics game

19th July 2004, 12:34	#31
kingo'mountain in need of banned aid Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: over the rainb... uh... nevermind Posts: 2,712	say, SHEMALE!!!!!

19th July 2004, 13:25	#32
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	AFAIK, chris is as male as most gay guys get...

19th July 2004, 13:45	#33
kingo'mountain in need of banned aid Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: over the rainb... uh... nevermind Posts: 2,712	if its referred to me, i talked about his pr0n, not chris himself

19th July 2004, 17:38	#37
mark Forum King Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norn Ir'nd, leek... Posts: 6,287	or you can make a windows xp cd that will install all your ass automatically, although its more hassle. I''ll probably do neither though, as my list of "essensial apps changes regularly...

19th July 2004, 18:12	#38
CaboWaboAddict Forum Sot (Major Dude) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Marietta, Ga. U.S.A. Posts: 3,915	Yeah, so do I partially. But everytime, I want Office XP, Visual Studio 6, Visual Studio.NET, WinAmp w/plugins, Video Players, DVD Writer Software, Radeon drivers, Sound Blaster drivers, etc. etc. The games and stuff get installed when I want them to the target drive only. Idiot's Advocate My site (under construction)

19th July 2004, 20:11	#39
ctn\|chrisw Forum King Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hell Posts: 3,309	Norton ghost ++; But I was too lazy to reinstall it last time -.-

19th July 2004, 21:07	#40
Kyjan Soul Reaver (Member) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Somewhere in Peach Country Posts: 133	I've heard many people say Ghost is awesome. Better than Partition Magic from what I understand.

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