Streaming allowed using RoadRunner?

[etelford]

Hi, all. I just set up my stream and I was curious...

Am I allowed to stream for free from my desktop with just using my RoadRunner connection?

Thanks in advance,
ET

[Vchat20]

i dont see why not. ive got it as well, and ive streamed on it wihtout a problem. had a small 2 PC LAN which contained this "all-purpose" computer routing the connection to a dedicated box running the DNAS and sam2 and it was all running very well.

and if it has anything to do with the RR TOS, i wouldnt worry about it too much. i havent heard of anyone getting kicked off by RR for running servers.

[djSpinnerCee]

Yes.

[etelford]

Thanks to both of you. I just wanted to make sure the idiots @ RR didn't get on my tip about something they had no idea about mainly because I'll be configuring a public radio station to stream with ShoutCast so it'll be on 24/7 and I want to make sure that they'll be cool. They're using Live365 right now - lame...

Thanks again!

ET

[urbansoulnation]

This used to be a big no no 2 or so years ago but I think as the isp's services have expanded and competition has heated up they don't make it an issue to go after customers with constant upstreams anymore.

[DJ Zath]

the upstream isn't an issue..

but if you plan to HOST listeners on your local box, thats against the TOS.. but if you use the service to stream up to a server outside the RR system and then only send up one stream, thats not going to be a problem..

You should be more concerned with keeping the connection stable- since its cable, you are going to run into "bottlenecking" problems- especially during the midday, after 3pm, and from 6 to 11pm.. Bottlenecking is where your upload speeds drop to well below that of a 28.8 modem due to too many users on the local node.

DjZ

[etelford]

Thanks, DJ zath. So my current set up is against the TOS? What type of service can I use to not go against the TOS?

[DJ Zath]

well, theres a couple things to contend with.. If you are planning to host listeners directly, not only will the upload caps limit you to a few listeners at best, the IP will change- and if listeners become accustomed to the IP and it changes- ALL your links will BREAK.. even the pls links! This is because you are running off DHCP- now, if you can gewt a static IP service from RR then they also give you more upload and a "locked" IP.. but they WILL charge you extra for this service...

If you plan to use an external server for hosting, I recommend a full-access shell account or streaming service this will NOT be cheap, however.. as the number of listeners goes up the cost-per-listener also goes up..

DjZ

[etelford]

What about Live 365? They currently have this. you can run shoutcast through this, right? Would shoutcast be more reliable than the Live365 software?

[DJ Zath]

yes, l365 is a service... I know it used to be able to run shoutcast through it.. I donno about now, though..

I own my own servers, and share them on a "time share" basis with other DJs..

As for reliability.. well I donno how well the l365 software is, but the latest versions of the SC DSP aren't that great since the inclusion of the LAME encoder...
But these ARE better than the SAM DSP.. which crashes at ramdom.

I use an older version of shoutcast DSP - which works great..

but I don't use DNAS either... I have something far BETTER...

DjZ

[djSpinnerCee]

Streaming is NOT against anyone's TOS, nor is P2P -- If you read it closely, the indication is that you can't duplicate the ISPs services -- this in particular means mail servers, mail relays, DNS, and other ISP "servers."

NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE on RoadRunner has ever been cancelled because of any other type of service, even P2P'ers who degrade service.

I don't like people "speaking for" the ISPs like that -- If you think that's what it means, don't run any servers, but don't tell others that it is forbidden when it's NOT -- If the ISPs really wanted to prevent servers, they would put everyone behind a firewall and not allow inbound connections at all.

[etelford]

Interesting. I'm all for having the radio station host people on the server themself, but I do really want to make sure that they won't get in trouble for it.

Do you have any exmaples of others doing this on a semi-large (or medium) scale so I can check it out?

Also, I'm not worried too much about badwidth/bottlenecking as the station will not have many concurrent listeners.

Thanks again,
ET

[djSpinnerCee]

Anyone running a shoutcast on residential RoadRunner is doing it on a small scale because the outbound bandwidth @ around 400kbps] limits the number of listeners to a very modest number.

Check these numbers: http://djspinnercee.servemp3.com:114...=400&port=8000

[etelford]

That link didn't work...

[Vchat20]

yeah, thats what ive been trying to say. although it is somewhat against the TOS (no servers allowed to be run iirc), i havent heard of a single RR customer being cancelled or in any way bothered because of running one. just check my post above. ive ran a DNAS on my RR connection and ive also run a webserver as a kind of backup for my site and ive never had a problem.

also, for the most part the IP's on RR are static (this is unless your turning the modem on/off constantly). ive kept an IP for months at a time. almost a full year at points. but if you wanna be absolutely safe, id recommend a place like no-ip.com or dyndns.org where you can get a free static address and an auto-pdater program which updates what ip that address links to.

and @ 24k, you can reliably host up to 15 listeners on standard RR upload.

[etelford]

Thanks to both of you.

So, my plan:

- Hook up the station with ShoutCast DNAS server (unless you can suggest better free solutions).

- Get a static IP through no-ip or dyndns.org, etc

- Only expect about 15 user at a time @ 24k (which is fine). I doubt if the current setup w/ Live365 can support many more than this.

- Don't worry about RR.

Does that sound feasbile to both of you?

Thanks again for helping...
ET

[Vchat20]

sounds good to me. good luck

[Dj play]

I have RR and I asked them. And They said it most not be an home internet package. But, I use RR Home Package and nothing happen.