Streaming in AAC

Blank Space · 15th January 2005, 21:53

I've seen some sites have moved from using the "old" streaming methods for Winamp and started using streaming in AAC. I haven't seen any new versions of SHOUTcast so what streaming program is allowing it for ACC+?

Just curious, I've listened from this AAC format, and it sounds great even with a low bitrate.

Jay · 15th January 2005, 22:10

The streaming method hasn't changed, all that has changed is the codec. Currently what is widely used is MP3, AAC is from the same maker as mp3.

At any rate if you want to stream in AAC check out oddcast at www.oddsock.org

AAC+ costs a bundle is only currently be supplied by one vendor. Orban's Opticodec.

The server works the same either way. You cannot list on shoutcast's YP using AAC either.

Blank Space · 17th January 2005, 17:36

So the streams at Digitally Imported or SomaFM use AAC+?

Where do I find more info for AAC+? Google came up with crap results.

Jay · 17th January 2005, 20:34

straight from the vendor itself http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/aacPlus.htm

Blank Space · 18th January 2005, 11:09

Thank you. WOW... pricey, and complicated licensing for it too.

Still, quite amazed at the codec, has very clear sound.

xiradio · 18th January 2005, 13:05

Quote:

Originally posted by Blank Space

Still, quite amazed at the codec, has very clear sound.

So does OGG Vorbis, and it's free.

Jay · 18th January 2005, 13:17

aacPlus really has OGG beat though.

xiradio · 18th January 2005, 13:27

Not for the price.

Jay · 18th January 2005, 18:47

we aren't talking about price though. He was referring to clearity of sound.

xiradio · 18th January 2005, 19:59

Price was also being discussed by Blank Space, but you go ahead and be the last to post in the thread again if it makes you feel better.

DJ AmPs · 18th January 2005, 21:05

aac+ wins with sound, free codecs win with price. everyone happy?

Blank Space · 18th January 2005, 21:07

What about the AAC with Oddsock? Is that codec good?

arkadas.amereeh · 18th January 2005, 22:03

Does not sound as good as the opticodec on low bandwith streams

Oddsocks AAC is OK at about 80 Kbps lower is not advisable.

Regards,

Arkadas

Jay · 19th January 2005, 00:40

AAC is not nearly as good as aacPlus or OGG. xiradio as far as I am concerned price and quality are two totally different subjects. Just because something is open source or free doesn't neccessarily make it superior.

CraigF · 19th January 2005, 08:57

not forgetting that just because something is open source doesnt mean you definately wont have to pay a license either.

Assuming there is an open source streaming solution for he-aac(aac+/aacplus) out there (faad based prehaps?), you'll still need to pay up for the patents (think winamp+lame encoding). YMMV.

tuner2_admin · 7th March 2005, 08:07

Ogg beats aacPlus on price? Not if you look at total cost.

Opticodec PC LE from Orban costs $99.

aacPlus decode is built into Winamp.

Most folks find that the aacPlus encoder pays for itself pretty quickly in saved bandwidth bills.

Hows that for "free?"

CraigF · 7th March 2005, 10:08

tuner2_admin, exactly what we've been trying to say.

Wavestreaming · 7th March 2005, 12:19

Guess my vote goes for accPlus too.

I've been meaning to get the orban encoder from the vendor here in the UK - last time I contacted them they didnt have it in stock

15th January 2005, 21:53	#1
Blank Space Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7	Streaming in AAC I've seen some sites have moved from using the "old" streaming methods for Winamp and started using streaming in AAC. I haven't seen any new versions of SHOUTcast so what streaming program is allowing it for ACC+? Just curious, I've listened from this AAC format, and it sounds great even with a low bitrate.

15th January 2005, 22:10	#2
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	The streaming method hasn't changed, all that has changed is the codec. Currently what is widely used is MP3, AAC is from the same maker as mp3. At any rate if you want to stream in AAC check out oddcast at www.oddsock.org AAC+ costs a bundle is only currently be supplied by one vendor. Orban's Opticodec. The server works the same either way. You cannot list on shoutcast's YP using AAC either. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

17th January 2005, 20:34	#4
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	straight from the vendor itself http://www.codingtechnologies.com/products/aacPlus.htm -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

18th January 2005, 13:17	#7
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	aacPlus really has OGG beat though. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

18th January 2005, 18:47	#9
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	we aren't talking about price though. He was referring to clearity of sound. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

17th January 2005, 17:36	#3
Blank Space Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7	So the streams at Digitally Imported or SomaFM use AAC+? Where do I find more info for AAC+? Google came up with crap results.

18th January 2005, 11:09	#5
Blank Space Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7	Thank you. WOW... pricey, and complicated licensing for it too. Still, quite amazed at the codec, has very clear sound.

18th January 2005, 13:27	#8
xiradio Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 170	Not for the price.

18th January 2005, 19:59	#10
xiradio Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 170	Price was also being discussed by Blank Space, but you go ahead and be the last to post in the thread again if it makes you feel better.

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18th January 2005, 21:07	#12
Blank Space Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7	What about the AAC with Oddsock? Is that codec good?

18th January 2005, 22:03	#13
arkadas.amereeh Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 65	Does not sound as good as the opticodec on low bandwith streams Oddsocks AAC is OK at about 80 Kbps lower is not advisable. Regards, Arkadas

19th January 2005, 00:40	#14
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	AAC is not nearly as good as aacPlus or OGG. xiradio as far as I am concerned price and quality are two totally different subjects. Just because something is open source or free doesn't neccessarily make it superior. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

19th January 2005, 08:57	#15
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,437	not forgetting that just because something is open source doesnt mean you definately wont have to pay a license either. Assuming there is an open source streaming solution for he-aac(aac+/aacplus) out there (faad based prehaps?), you'll still need to pay up for the patents (think winamp+lame encoding). YMMV.

7th March 2005, 08:07	#16
tuner2_admin Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	Ogg beats aacPlus on price? Not if you look at total cost. Opticodec PC LE from Orban costs $99. aacPlus decode is built into Winamp. Most folks find that the aacPlus encoder pays for itself pretty quickly in saved bandwidth bills. Hows that for "free?"

7th March 2005, 10:08	#17
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,437	tuner2_admin, exactly what we've been trying to say.

7th March 2005, 12:19	#18
Wavestreaming Major Dude Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,563	Guess my vote goes for accPlus too. I've been meaning to get the orban encoder from the vendor here in the UK - last time I contacted them they didnt have it in stock Wavestreaming \| Shoutcast Hosting \| Auto DJ \| How To Start An Internet Radio Station

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