'Damning' Evidence Against Jackson

MegaRock · 26th January 2005, 22:58

(CBS) Michael Jackson's molestation trial is slated to start next week, and things may already be heating up.

According to court documents, prosecutors want to admit potentially damaging evidence, including books, magazines and videos that were seized from the pop star's Neverland ranch. One book in particular contained many photographs of naked boys.

Court TV Executive Investigative Editor Diane Dimond has been following the story.

She tells The Early Show co-anchor Rene Syler that the book, called "The Boy, A Photographic Essay" was seized from Neverland in 1993.

On the front cover is a photo of a naked boy looking out at the sea. It's a coffee table book, and the experts that I have questioned about it…said this book serves two purposes. Number one, self-gratification for a pedophile and number two, it opens up a dialogue for someone who's looking for a target. They go through the book, and there are many nice pictures of boys at play, at work, in the fields and studying at school.

" 'Look at these pictures,' " Dimond suggests a pedophile might say. " 'Look at this. Oh, they're skinny dipping. Would you like to skinny dip with me?' So it's used as a recruitment tool."

Since it's a coffee table book, couldn't it be seen simply as an art book, Syler asked.

"Absolutely," Dimond responded. "It could be. However, as you turn the pages, beginning on about page 25, suddenly you're struck by these completely nude little boys, in strange, provocative poses, laying on a rock with the waterfall falling on top of them. And the mental health professionals that deal with pedophiles that I talked to were very disturbed by the book."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in669375.shtml

ElChevelle · 27th January 2005, 12:28

Just think of what his poor monkey has had to endure.

QUADROPEDOPHILE!!!

dlinkwit27 · 27th January 2005, 13:41

the book is just dripping with sexual images too

http://johnie.boyhoodparadise.com/theboy/jpptbgal.htm

Mr Jones · 27th January 2005, 15:25

I fail to see how that is damning evidence, any good defence lawyer will argue that right out of court, if iit's a freely available to purchase book, dosn't make you paedo if you buy it does it? If I buy a book on guns does it make me a gun toting serial killer because it's encouraging me to look at guns and have thoughts about guns?

Until some prosecution lawyer produces a video tape or set of polaroids of Jacko mounting some 10 year old boy then most of these 'shock horror' evidence claims are as flakey as flakey can be.

I don't even know why they are bothering with this now other than to sensationalise an already sensational court case, I wouldn't be suprised to see Jacko's defence team come out with 'he's never gonna get a fair trial because of all the ludicrous media coverage' statement before too long.

Not that I have any time for the freak, but this is just stupid, slightly more stupid than the millions of people who will read that and say 'well, yep, he must be guilty'

dumb dumb dumb....

bgesley · 27th January 2005, 22:43

never ever say "dripping with sexual..." anything..ever.

I know this might be a bad example, but several people who are accused rapists are put into prison because they also have magazines depicting rape. Its not "solid get-his-ass-in-jail evidence" but its very, very supportive and will convince several juries. "Oh he's got those magazines, he must a desire for that type of entertainment."

petitechloe664y · 4th February 2005, 07:07

its about time that he paid the price for his crimes

Mr Jones · 4th February 2005, 07:27

Crimes?, what crimes?, has he already been convicted of anything? or do they not practice 'innocent until proved guilty' in the US any more?

...oh wait........

Michgelsen · 4th February 2005, 08:23

The king of pop is innocent man!

Cognition · 5th February 2005, 03:59

Also, if it's true that actually he just loves children (in a non-sexual sense obviously), wouldn't it be likely that he *would* have a coffee-table book with pictures of kids in it?

Smeggle · 7th February 2005, 00:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Crimes?, what crimes?, has he already been convicted of anything? or do they not practice 'innocent until proved guilty' in the US any more?

...oh wait........

If you asked that 5 years ago maybe?

I agree totally with you jonsey, as much as I dislike him, he deserves a fair trial, as does anyone. Absolutely no way he is getting that with the media circus going on as usual.

So I'm actually surprised his defence haven't allready claimed it... They could keep the case out of the courts for years ...so maybe they want there day in court? Could it be he is Innocent??

MegaRock · 7th February 2005, 06:39

They're just picking on him because he's white.

petitechloe664y · 8th February 2005, 05:09

jacko is a wacco i tell you and its great that his victims are now speaking against his perversions against children

spiderbaby1958 · 10th February 2005, 18:10

I hope that the Michael Jackson trial doesn't interefere with my ability to get the latest news about Brad and Jen!

Raz · 10th February 2005, 18:20

I curse the person who rhymed wacko with jacko.

Mr Jones · 15th February 2005, 16:15

Hey I just saw on the news 'Breakin news ...michael jackson rushed to hospital...more soon'

So is this his get out of jail card being played early?

Place your bets now for the outcome, my money is on ...

Suicide
or...
Fake death so he can slip away and live the life of a reculse

/oh, and here is the breaking story...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/4268477.stm

sirebob · 20th February 2005, 20:30

Quote:

Originally posted by MegaRock
They're just picking on him because he's white.

thats funny. I bet he gets both sides of racism

General Geoff · 20th February 2005, 21:15

I got nothin' against the guy. I think he's a great (or at least used to be great) musician and dancer. It's very possible he just loves kids so much that outsiders would mistake it for pedophilia, which it's really not. Or maybe he really is a child molester. Who knows? Hopefully the court case will bring to light the truth.

CaboWaboAddict · 1st March 2005, 20:54

Hmmm... decisions, decisions.

ActivWiz · 8th March 2005, 00:55

I think Michael is 100% innocent. Reading the transcripts of the trial, I am personally confused how a grand jury could have decided to have him charged. There is so much reasonable doubt vis-a-vis the evidence, that even Stevie Wonder can see that this "alleged molestation" claim is nothing but fantasy on the part of the boy and his family.

manthabeats · 8th March 2005, 01:45

I think and hope he is guilty. I think he is an awfully fked up person who needs jail time. He used to be good in the 80s but now he sucks ass. (Little boy ass)

shakey_snake · 8th March 2005, 03:57

I just hope that during this whole thing, no one tempts Jackson with "a ride in a white Bronco"

ActivWiz · 8th March 2005, 04:18

Well if he is guilty he deserves whatever it is that is coming to him, if he isn't then he doesn't. From what I've read about this trial however, I dont think there is any iota of doubt about the fact that it is a setup...

Quote:

Originally posted by ActivWiz
I think Michael is 100% innocent. Reading the transcripts of the trial, I am personally confused how a grand jury could have decided to have him charged. There is so much reasonable doubt vis-a-vis the evidence, that even Stevie Wonder can see that this "alleged molestation" claim is nothing but fantasy on the part of the boy and his family.

SSJ4 Gogitta · 8th March 2005, 05:02

Quote:

Originally posted by ActivWiz
Well if he is guilty he deserves whatever it is that is coming to him, if he isn't then he doesn't. From what I've read about this trial however, I dont think there is any iota of doubt about the fact that it is a setup...

What if he's guilty, but the jury finds him innocent? Or what if he's innocent, and the jury finds him guilty?

Wolfgang · 8th March 2005, 10:28

Sometimes, I like to touch kids too. Its all good stuff.

ActivWiz · 8th March 2005, 15:44

The US constitution does not permit double jeopardy (or whatever it's called), if he is guilty and found innocent, he is free to go. If he is innocent and found guilty, he shall appeal the verdict.

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4 Gogitta
What if he's guilty, but the jury finds him innocent? Or what if he's innocent, and the jury finds him guilty?

Smeggle · 8th March 2005, 15:57

Quote:

Originally posted by ActivWiz
The US constitution does not permit double jeopardy (or whatever it's called), if he is guilty and found innocent, he is free to go. If he is innocent and found guilty, he shall appeal the verdict.

'If he is guilty and found innocent - he is free to go'

Yeah - thats double jeopardy. If found innocent but then proved later to be guilty - he can even openly admit it himself - he cannot be recharged.

i.e. the 'Double Jeopardy' clause disallows it.

After what I read last night though - I'd say he's got a big job to proove his innocence. Not that I ever liked the squeaky voiced little plankton of untallented crap anyway. Still no way can he get a fair trial IMHO - may not like the guy but that don't mean he doesn't deserve a fair trial - even if he is a nonce.

And as well - the 'Moon Walk' was not his. It was first done by the dancer out of Shalamar and he then tried to nick (with the help of media crap) - in actual fact the 'moon walk dance step' originates in the late 30's - early 40's. Saw a documentory on it once...

Wolfgang · 8th March 2005, 16:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Wolfgang
Sometimes, I like to touch kids too. Its all good stuff.

I would like to point out that this was not me, but my anus of a flatmate.

shakey_snake · 8th March 2005, 16:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Smeggle
'If he is guilty and found innocent - he is free to go'

Yeah - thats double jeopardy. If found innocent but then proved later to be guilty - he can even openly admit it himself - he cannot be recharged.

i.e. the 'Double Jeopardy' clause disallows it.

After what I read last night though - I'd say he's got a big job to proove his innocence. Not that I ever liked the squeaky voiced little plankton of untallented crap anyway. Still no way can he get a fair trial IMHO - may not like the guy but that don't mean he doesn't deserve a fair trial - even if he is a nonce.

And as well - the 'Moon Walk' was not his. It was first done by the dancer out of Shalamar and he then tried to nick (with the help of media crap) - in actual fact the 'moon walk dance step' originates in the late 30's - early 40's. Saw a documentory on it once...

I'm pretty sure Double Jepody means that you cannot be found guilty of the same crime twice.

If he's found innocent and then new evidence is found, the case could certianly be reopened by a grand jury, if they deem it fit.

CaboWaboAddict · 8th March 2005, 18:40

^WRONG!

You can not be tried twice for the same crime. If he is found innocent, then he can not be retried.

[edit]

from dictionary.com:

Quote:

Main Entry: double jeopardy
Function: noun
: the prosecution of a person for an offense for which he or she has already been prosecuted — —see also JEOPARDY, Amendment V to the CONSTITUTION in the back matter —compare MERGER 3
NOTE: The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution states that no person shall “be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” The double jeopardy clause bars second prosecutions after either acquittal or conviction, and prohibits multiple punishments for the same offense.

[/edit]

shakey_snake · 8th March 2005, 21:24

So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

dlinkwit27 · 8th March 2005, 21:46

Quote:

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

correct. However, he could then be charged with a similar but diferent charge, such as being in posession of child porn paraphernalia or somethign like that.

Lets say I go out and I shhot some guy in the back for no reason. I get arrested, have a trial, and found innocent. As soon as I am found innocent, I can shout at the judge "HA HA! I DID IT! I KILLED THAT BASTARD! HAHA!" and the criminal system justice cannot do jack squat about it. I am still a free man. I could, however, then be tried for illeagle posession of a firearm or something like that (if I ddin't have a licence, etc).

ShyShy · 8th March 2005, 21:50

Quote:

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

I'm unsure of the law in this case, but I think he could be brought up on a set of different charges if that were to happen.

sideways · 9th March 2005, 04:47

He's guilty. End of story.

Mattress · 9th March 2005, 04:52

you have proof?

zootm · 9th March 2005, 08:38

I wasn't going to mention it, but...

ActivWiz · 9th March 2005, 23:42

I think u have followed R. Kelly's case too closely...

Quote:

Originally posted by shakey_snake
So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for.

The criminal case can't be reopened?

MegaRock · 6th April 2005, 02:15

SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's former personal maid testified Tuesday that she saw the pop star showering and laughing with a young boy at Neverland Ranch -- with their underwear lying outside the shower door.

However, the woman said that in the years she worked for Jackson, she never saw him touch a child sexually, although his behavior did make her uncomfortable and "concerned" for her own preteen son, who often came to work with her at Jackson's suggestion.

Her son testified Monday that he had been fondled by Jackson on three occasions but did not tell his mother until years afterward. (Monday's testimony)

Both the mother and son in 1996 reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson in which the entertainer denied wrongdoing.

Taking the stand at Jackson's child molestation trial, the former maid also said child movie star Macaulay Culkin stayed alone with Jackson in his bedroom when he visited for extended periods, though she did not say she saw any improper contact between the two.

The woman said the boy she saw showering with Jackson was about 8 years old when he started staying at Neverland for weeks at a time over about a year, starting in 1989. She said he would sleep overnight in Jackson's bedroom suite, and, when she went to change the linen, she would find only one of the two beds in the suite had been used.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/05/ja...ial/index.html

dlinkwit27 · 6th April 2005, 02:32

funny how nobody ever sees anything. funny how nobody ever thought to mention any of this until years later.

Mattress · 6th April 2005, 04:18

dude, what kind of parents let their kids stay over at michael jackson's house?

or any popstar's house for that matter?

seriously WTF?

26th January 2005, 22:58	#1
MegaRock Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Inside my water bong Posts: 6,775	'Damning' Evidence Against Jackson (CBS) Michael Jackson's molestation trial is slated to start next week, and things may already be heating up. According to court documents, prosecutors want to admit potentially damaging evidence, including books, magazines and videos that were seized from the pop star's Neverland ranch. One book in particular contained many photographs of naked boys. Court TV Executive Investigative Editor Diane Dimond has been following the story. She tells The Early Show co-anchor Rene Syler that the book, called "The Boy, A Photographic Essay" was seized from Neverland in 1993. On the front cover is a photo of a naked boy looking out at the sea. It's a coffee table book, and the experts that I have questioned about it…said this book serves two purposes. Number one, self-gratification for a pedophile and number two, it opens up a dialogue for someone who's looking for a target. They go through the book, and there are many nice pictures of boys at play, at work, in the fields and studying at school. " 'Look at these pictures,' " Dimond suggests a pedophile might say. " 'Look at this. Oh, they're skinny dipping. Would you like to skinny dip with me?' So it's used as a recruitment tool." Since it's a coffee table book, couldn't it be seen simply as an art book, Syler asked. "Absolutely," Dimond responded. "It could be. However, as you turn the pages, beginning on about page 25, suddenly you're struck by these completely nude little boys, in strange, provocative poses, laying on a rock with the waterfall falling on top of them. And the mental health professionals that deal with pedophiles that I talked to were very disturbed by the book." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in669375.shtml 1001. FM - Megarock Radio - St. Louis Since 1998! Tune In Now! Corporate Radio Sucks! No suits, all rock!

27th January 2005, 13:41	#3
dlinkwit27 has no CT (Forum King) Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 13,232	the book is just dripping with sexual images too http://johnie.boyhoodparadise.com/theboy/jpptbgal.htm ::Deviant Me::Last.fm::WhatPulse Stats::Folding @ Home

4th February 2005, 08:23	#8
Michgelsen Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,416	The king of pop is innocent man! Skins: Rectangular, AudioRack & Studiosus

7th February 2005, 06:39	#11
MegaRock Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Inside my water bong Posts: 6,775	They're just picking on him because he's white. 1001. FM - Megarock Radio - St. Louis Since 1998! Tune In Now! Corporate Radio Sucks! No suits, all rock!

8th March 2005, 01:45	#20
manthabeats Winamp's Cinematographer (Major Dude) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hollywood (in 3-6 years) Posts: 655	I think and hope he is guilty. I think he is an awfully fked up person who needs jail time. He used to be good in the 80s but now he sucks ass. (Little boy ass) Currently filming: Youtube stuff My Website

27th January 2005, 12:28	#2
ElChevelle Moderator Alumni Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: the MANCANNON! Posts: 22,431	Just think of what his poor monkey has had to endure. QUADROPEDOPHILE!!!

27th January 2005, 15:25	#4
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	I fail to see how that is damning evidence, any good defence lawyer will argue that right out of court, if iit's a freely available to purchase book, dosn't make you paedo if you buy it does it? If I buy a book on guns does it make me a gun toting serial killer because it's encouraging me to look at guns and have thoughts about guns? Until some prosecution lawyer produces a video tape or set of polaroids of Jacko mounting some 10 year old boy then most of these 'shock horror' evidence claims are as flakey as flakey can be. I don't even know why they are bothering with this now other than to sensationalise an already sensational court case, I wouldn't be suprised to see Jacko's defence team come out with 'he's never gonna get a fair trial because of all the ludicrous media coverage' statement before too long. Not that I have any time for the freak, but this is just stupid, slightly more stupid than the millions of people who will read that and say 'well, yep, he must be guilty' dumb dumb dumb....

27th January 2005, 22:43	#5
bgesley Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: without wax Posts: 948	never ever say "dripping with sexual..." anything..ever. I know this might be a bad example, but several people who are accused rapists are put into prison because they also have magazines depicting rape. Its not "solid get-his-ass-in-jail evidence" but its very, very supportive and will convince several juries. "Oh he's got those magazines, he must a desire for that type of entertainment."

4th February 2005, 07:07	#6
petitechloe664y Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 269	its about time that he paid the price for his crimes

4th February 2005, 07:27	#7
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	Crimes?, what crimes?, has he already been convicted of anything? or do they not practice 'innocent until proved guilty' in the US any more? ...oh wait........

5th February 2005, 03:59	#9
Cognition Some Random Guy (Major Dude) Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NZ Posts: 1,241	Also, if it's true that actually he just loves children (in a non-sexual sense obviously), wouldn't it be likely that he would have a coffee-table book with pictures of kids in it?

8th February 2005, 05:09	#12
petitechloe664y Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 269	jacko is a wacco i tell you and its great that his victims are now speaking against his perversions against children

10th February 2005, 18:10	#13
spiderbaby1958 Major Dude Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Binghamton, NY Posts: 789	I hope that the Michael Jackson trial doesn't interefere with my ability to get the latest news about Brad and Jen!

10th February 2005, 18:20	#14
Raz Forum King Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,470	I curse the person who rhymed wacko with jacko.

15th February 2005, 16:15	#15
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	Hey I just saw on the news 'Breakin news ...michael jackson rushed to hospital...more soon' So is this his get out of jail card being played early? Place your bets now for the outcome, my money is on ... Suicide or... Fake death so he can slip away and live the life of a reculse /oh, and here is the breaking story... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/4268477.stm

20th February 2005, 21:15	#17
General Geoff Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,253	I got nothin' against the guy. I think he's a great (or at least used to be great) musician and dancer. It's very possible he just loves kids so much that outsiders would mistake it for pedophilia, which it's really not. Or maybe he really is a child molester. Who knows? Hopefully the court case will bring to light the truth.

8th March 2005, 00:55	#19
ActivWiz Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 55	I think Michael is 100% innocent. Reading the transcripts of the trial, I am personally confused how a grand jury could have decided to have him charged. There is so much reasonable doubt vis-a-vis the evidence, that even Stevie Wonder can see that this "alleged molestation" claim is nothing but fantasy on the part of the boy and his family.

8th March 2005, 03:57	#21
shakey_snake Forum Domo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Everyone, get over here for the picture! Posts: 4,329	I just hope that during this whole thing, no one tempts Jackson with "a ride in a white Bronco" elevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladylevitateme

8th March 2005, 10:28	#24
Wolfgang Forum King Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: England Posts: 3,067	Sometimes, I like to touch kids too. Its all good stuff.

8th March 2005, 21:24	#30
shakey_snake Forum Domo Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Everyone, get over here for the picture! Posts: 4,329	So say he's aquitted of all charges, and then someone finds a genuine video tape of him clearly molesting one of the little kids he was tried for. The criminal case can't be reopened? elevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladyelevatorladylevitateme

9th March 2005, 04:47	#33
sideways Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: ATL Posts: 12	He's guilty. End of story.

9th March 2005, 04:52	#34
Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	you have proof? Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

9th March 2005, 08:38	#35
zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	I wasn't going to mention it, but...

6th April 2005, 02:15	#37
MegaRock Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Inside my water bong Posts: 6,775	SANTA MARIA, California (CNN) -- Michael Jackson's former personal maid testified Tuesday that she saw the pop star showering and laughing with a young boy at Neverland Ranch -- with their underwear lying outside the shower door. However, the woman said that in the years she worked for Jackson, she never saw him touch a child sexually, although his behavior did make her uncomfortable and "concerned" for her own preteen son, who often came to work with her at Jackson's suggestion. Her son testified Monday that he had been fondled by Jackson on three occasions but did not tell his mother until years afterward. (Monday's testimony) Both the mother and son in 1996 reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson in which the entertainer denied wrongdoing. Taking the stand at Jackson's child molestation trial, the former maid also said child movie star Macaulay Culkin stayed alone with Jackson in his bedroom when he visited for extended periods, though she did not say she saw any improper contact between the two. The woman said the boy she saw showering with Jackson was about 8 years old when he started staying at Neverland for weeks at a time over about a year, starting in 1989. She said he would sleep overnight in Jackson's bedroom suite, and, when she went to change the linen, she would find only one of the two beds in the suite had been used. http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/05/ja...ial/index.html 1001. FM - Megarock Radio - St. Louis Since 1998! Tune In Now! Corporate Radio Sucks! No suits, all rock!

6th April 2005, 02:32	#38
dlinkwit27 has no CT (Forum King) Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 13,232	funny how nobody ever sees anything. funny how nobody ever thought to mention any of this until years later. ::Deviant Me::Last.fm::WhatPulse Stats::Folding @ Home

6th April 2005, 04:18	#39
Mattress Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,577	dude, what kind of parents let their kids stay over at michael jackson's house? or any popstar's house for that matter? seriously WTF? Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus.

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