School Shooting Rampage

MegaRock · 22nd March 2005, 07:30

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/sch...ing/index.html

A student on Monday killed two of his grandparents, then went on a shooting rampage at his Minnesota high school, killing seven people and wounding as many as 13 others before killing himself, officials said.

FBI Special Agent Paul McCabe told reporters the dead include a female teacher, a male security officer and four students at Red Lake High School.

"We believe that one of those students is the shooter," McCabe said.

The FBI office in Minneapolis later said two more wounded students had died.

The school, about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities, was evacuated and locked down, McCabe said.

"At this time, we believe he was acting alone," he said, refusing to comment on a possible motive, adding, "It's far too early in the investigation."

The slain students were shot in one room, he said.

"Apparently, he walked down the hallway shooting and then he entered a classroom, he shot several students and a teacher, then himself," said Roman Stately, with the Red Lake Fire Department, who arrived at the high school moments after the shootings.

Authorities discovered about an hour later that the boy had shot and killed his grandmother and grandfather, a veteran of the police force, Stately told KARE-TV.

bgesley · 22nd March 2005, 11:32

What possible conversation are you looking to have other than

"oh this is horrible I hope it stops, all agree?"
"yes"

?

General Geoff · 22nd March 2005, 11:36

As tragic as this is, I can't help but think about the further restricting of civil rights to "stop these things from happening," when it will do no such thing.

zootm · 22nd March 2005, 11:53

You are correct -- no form of gun control that would really work in the US (obviously a ban on guns cuts down on these things dramatically, but that's not practical) would really be able to stop these things. The best you could hope for is either being able to catch them before they started, or restrict the range of weapons they were able to get their hands on in the time they spent on preparation (which for psychotic things like this, can't be long).

I don't think this is a good time to bring politics into this, though.

General Geoff · 22nd March 2005, 13:02

Regardless of what restrictions were placed on civilian gun ownership, this kid used his dad's gun. His dad was a police officer; you wouldn't have stopped this particular shooting even if you banned guns from civilian ownership outright.

That said, my condolences to the families of those who died.

dlinkwit27 · 22nd March 2005, 13:23

another from yahoo.

Teen's Rampage Leaves 10 Dead in Minn.
7 minutes ago
By JOSHUA FREED, Associated Press Writer

REDBY, Minn. - The suspect in the worst U.S. school massacre since Columbine smiled and waved as he gunned down five students, a teacher and a guard, asking one of his victims whether he believed in God, witnesses said. The teen's grandfather and his grandfather's wife also were found dead, and the boy killed himself.

Reggie Graves, a student at Red Lake High School, said he was watching a movie about Shakespeare in class Monday when he heard the gunman blast his way past the metal detector at the school's entrance, killing a guard.

Then, in a nearby classroom, he heard the gunman say something to his friend Ryan: "He asked Ryan if he believed in God," Graves said. "And then he shot him."

The death toll at the Red Lake Indian Reservation in far northern Minnesota made it the nation's worst school shooting since the rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., in April 1999 that left 12 students and a teacher, plus the two teen gunmen, dead.

The victims included the gunman's grandfather; the grandfather's wife; a school security guard; a teacher; and five other students. At least 14 others were wounded, officials said.

"There's not a soul that will go untouched by the tragic loss that we've experienced here," Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, told WCCO-TV of Minneapolis on Tuesday.

Police said the gunman killed himself after exchanging fire with officers. Red Lake Fire Director Roman Stately said the gunman had two handguns and a shotgun.

"We ask Minnesotans to help comfort the families and friends of the victims who are suffering unimaginable pain by extending prayers and expressions of support," Gov. Tim Pawlenty said.

The shooter was Jeff Weise, a 17-year-old student who had been placed in the school's Homebound program for some violation of policy, said school board member Kathryn Beaulieu. Students in that program stay at home and are tutored by a traveling teacher. Beaulieu said she didn't know what Weise's violation was, and wouldn't be allowed to reveal it if she did.

Beaulieu said school was canceled Tuesday, but plans hadn't been made for the rest of the week.

During the rampage, teachers herded students from one room to another, trying to move away from the sound of the shooting, said Graves, 14. He said some students crouched under desks.

Some pleaded with the gunman to stop. "You could hear a girl saying, 'No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?'" Sondra Hegstrom told The Pioneer of Bemidji.

Student Ashley Morrison said she heard shots, then saw the gunman's face peering though a door window of a classroom where she was hiding with several other students. After banging at the door, the shooter walked away and she heard more shots, she said.

"I can't even count how many gunshots you heard, there was over 20. ... There were people screaming, and they made us get behind the desk," she said.

FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said the gunman exchanged gunfire with Red Lake police in a hallway, then retreated to a classroom, where he was believed to have shot himself.

All of the dead students were found in one room, including the teen believed to be the shooter.

Relatives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise was a loner who usually wore black and was teased by other kids. Relatives told the newspaper his father committed suicide four years ago, and that his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident.

Some of the injured were being cared for in Bemidji, about 20 miles south of Red Lake. Authorities closed roads to the reservation in far northern Minnesota while they investigated the shootings.

Police officers were posted at the hospital Monday night to keep reporters from entering. When a reporter approached three men walking across a hospital parking lot, one broke down in tears and the others said they had no comment.

It was the second fatal school shooting in Minnesota in 18 months. Two students were killed at Rocori High School in Cold Spring in September 2003. Student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time, awaits trial in the case.

Red Lake High School has about 300 students, according to its Web site.

The reservation is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, one of the poorest in the state. According to the 2000 census, 5,162 people lived on the reservation, and all but 91 were Indians.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...g&sid=84439559

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damn. topic instead of reply. mods merge please.

Mr Jones · 22nd March 2005, 13:45

Just call me mergeman

Jay · 22nd March 2005, 13:59

we need to stop giving publicity to these acts first and foremost. Can you see any relationship to columbine? yes. Do you know why? because he knew about it and wanted to go out with the same amount of press. It really does boil down to attention seeking even though he shot himself.

papadoc · 22nd March 2005, 15:40

Supposedly, he was posting on a Nazi Website

Nazi.org

dlinkwit27 · 22nd March 2005, 15:48

I can't seem to find any of his posts though.

papadoc · 22nd March 2005, 15:54

I can't either dlinkwit27.
Maybe they pulled all his posts.

MegaRock · 22nd March 2005, 17:45

Quote:

Originally posted by bgesley
What possible conversation are you looking to have other than

"oh this is horrible I hope it stops, all agree?"
"yes"

?

Maybe a conversation about how parents need to remove their heads from their asses long enough to realize how screwed up their kids are before they hurt someone else.

I mean is it just me or does anyone else remember when the laws that prevent parents from doing their jobs didn't exist (like 20 - 30 or more years ago). These things NEVER happened. Kids never flipped out like this.

A parents hands are pretty much tied anymore and how can you control your child with no power to do so.

CaboWaboAddict · 22nd March 2005, 20:32

The guard at the metal detector was unarmed. WTF???

You are looking for weapons and have no means of stopping someone from entering with one?

zootm · 22nd March 2005, 21:53

Quote:

Originally posted by General Geoff
Regardless of what restrictions were placed on civilian gun ownership, this kid used his dad's gun. His dad was a police officer; you wouldn't have stopped this particular shooting even if you banned guns from civilian ownership outright.

To be fair, in the UK, this could not have happened even if his father was a firearms officer. But I don't want to bring the politics of this into this.

dlinkwit27 · 22nd March 2005, 22:13

Quote:

Originally posted by CaboWaboAddict
The guard at the metal detector was unarmed. WTF???

You are looking for weapons and have no means of stopping someone from entering with one?

making a quick assumption: but I don't think the guard had much of a chance. It sounds like this kid was good with the gun, and as soon as heard the detector and assumed he would have a problem with the guard, he shot and killed.

What I do find interesting is so far I havn't heard much about the shooting style. In columbine you heard a lot about how the shooters were good shots, and got most of their victims with one shot. It doesn't say much about this guy.

CaboWaboAddict · 23rd March 2005, 01:45

^maybe so, but did the guard have any chance at all unarmed?

22nd March 2005, 07:30	#1
MegaRock Forum King Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Inside my water bong Posts: 6,775	School Shooting Rampage http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/21/sch...ing/index.html A student on Monday killed two of his grandparents, then went on a shooting rampage at his Minnesota high school, killing seven people and wounding as many as 13 others before killing himself, officials said. FBI Special Agent Paul McCabe told reporters the dead include a female teacher, a male security officer and four students at Red Lake High School. "We believe that one of those students is the shooter," McCabe said. The FBI office in Minneapolis later said two more wounded students had died. The school, about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities, was evacuated and locked down, McCabe said. "At this time, we believe he was acting alone," he said, refusing to comment on a possible motive, adding, "It's far too early in the investigation." The slain students were shot in one room, he said. "Apparently, he walked down the hallway shooting and then he entered a classroom, he shot several students and a teacher, then himself," said Roman Stately, with the Red Lake Fire Department, who arrived at the high school moments after the shootings. Authorities discovered about an hour later that the boy had shot and killed his grandmother and grandfather, a veteran of the police force, Stately told KARE-TV. 1001. FM - Megarock Radio - St. Louis Since 1998! Tune In Now! Corporate Radio Sucks! No suits, all rock!

22nd March 2005, 13:23	#6
dlinkwit27 has no CT (Forum King) Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 13,232	School Shooting in MN leaves 10, killer, dead another from yahoo. Teen's Rampage Leaves 10 Dead in Minn. 7 minutes ago By JOSHUA FREED, Associated Press Writer REDBY, Minn. - The suspect in the worst U.S. school massacre since Columbine smiled and waved as he gunned down five students, a teacher and a guard, asking one of his victims whether he believed in God, witnesses said. The teen's grandfather and his grandfather's wife also were found dead, and the boy killed himself. Reggie Graves, a student at Red Lake High School, said he was watching a movie about Shakespeare in class Monday when he heard the gunman blast his way past the metal detector at the school's entrance, killing a guard. Then, in a nearby classroom, he heard the gunman say something to his friend Ryan: "He asked Ryan if he believed in God," Graves said. "And then he shot him." The death toll at the Red Lake Indian Reservation in far northern Minnesota made it the nation's worst school shooting since the rampage at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., in April 1999 that left 12 students and a teacher, plus the two teen gunmen, dead. The victims included the gunman's grandfather; the grandfather's wife; a school security guard; a teacher; and five other students. At least 14 others were wounded, officials said. "There's not a soul that will go untouched by the tragic loss that we've experienced here," Floyd Jourdain Jr., chairman of the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, told WCCO-TV of Minneapolis on Tuesday. Police said the gunman killed himself after exchanging fire with officers. Red Lake Fire Director Roman Stately said the gunman had two handguns and a shotgun. "We ask Minnesotans to help comfort the families and friends of the victims who are suffering unimaginable pain by extending prayers and expressions of support," Gov. Tim Pawlenty said. The shooter was Jeff Weise, a 17-year-old student who had been placed in the school's Homebound program for some violation of policy, said school board member Kathryn Beaulieu. Students in that program stay at home and are tutored by a traveling teacher. Beaulieu said she didn't know what Weise's violation was, and wouldn't be allowed to reveal it if she did. Beaulieu said school was canceled Tuesday, but plans hadn't been made for the rest of the week. During the rampage, teachers herded students from one room to another, trying to move away from the sound of the shooting, said Graves, 14. He said some students crouched under desks. Some pleaded with the gunman to stop. "You could hear a girl saying, 'No, Jeff, quit, quit. Leave me alone. What are you doing?'" Sondra Hegstrom told The Pioneer of Bemidji. Student Ashley Morrison said she heard shots, then saw the gunman's face peering though a door window of a classroom where she was hiding with several other students. After banging at the door, the shooter walked away and she heard more shots, she said. "I can't even count how many gunshots you heard, there was over 20. ... There were people screaming, and they made us get behind the desk," she said. FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said the gunman exchanged gunfire with Red Lake police in a hallway, then retreated to a classroom, where he was believed to have shot himself. All of the dead students were found in one room, including the teen believed to be the shooter. Relatives told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that Weise was a loner who usually wore black and was teased by other kids. Relatives told the newspaper his father committed suicide four years ago, and that his mother was living in a Minneapolis nursing home because she suffered brain injuries in a car accident. Some of the injured were being cared for in Bemidji, about 20 miles south of Red Lake. Authorities closed roads to the reservation in far northern Minnesota while they investigated the shootings. Police officers were posted at the hospital Monday night to keep reporters from entering. When a reporter approached three men walking across a hospital parking lot, one broke down in tears and the others said they had no comment. It was the second fatal school shooting in Minnesota in 18 months. Two students were killed at Rocori High School in Cold Spring in September 2003. Student John Jason McLaughlin, who was 15 at the time, awaits trial in the case. Red Lake High School has about 300 students, according to its Web site. The reservation is about 240 miles north of the Twin Cities. It is home to the Red Lake Chippewa Tribe, one of the poorest in the state. According to the 2000 census, 5,162 people lived on the reservation, and all but 91 were Indians. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...g&sid=84439559 /edit damn. topic instead of reply. mods merge please. ::Deviant Me::Last.fm::WhatPulse Stats::Folding @ Home

22nd March 2005, 13:59	#8
Jay Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Next Door Posts: 8,888	we need to stop giving publicity to these acts first and foremost. Can you see any relationship to columbine? yes. Do you know why? because he knew about it and wanted to go out with the same amount of press. It really does boil down to attention seeking even though he shot himself. -Jay \| Radio Toolbox.com

22nd March 2005, 15:40	#9
papadoc Comfortably Numb (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Behind the Wall Posts: 4,563	Supposedly, he was posting on a Nazi Website Nazi.org Last edited by papadoc; 22nd March 2005 at 15:55.

22nd March 2005, 15:48	#10
dlinkwit27 has no CT (Forum King) Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 13,232	I can't seem to find any of his posts though. ::Deviant Me::Last.fm::WhatPulse Stats::Folding @ Home

22nd March 2005, 11:32	#2
bgesley Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: without wax Posts: 948	What possible conversation are you looking to have other than "oh this is horrible I hope it stops, all agree?" "yes" ?

22nd March 2005, 11:36	#3
General Geoff Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,253	As tragic as this is, I can't help but think about the further restricting of civil rights to "stop these things from happening," when it will do no such thing.

22nd March 2005, 11:53	#4
zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	You are correct -- no form of gun control that would really work in the US (obviously a ban on guns cuts down on these things dramatically, but that's not practical) would really be able to stop these things. The best you could hope for is either being able to catch them before they started, or restrict the range of weapons they were able to get their hands on in the time they spent on preparation (which for psychotic things like this, can't be long). I don't think this is a good time to bring politics into this, though.

22nd March 2005, 13:02	#5
General Geoff Major Dude Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Allentown, Pennsylvania Posts: 1,253	Regardless of what restrictions were placed on civilian gun ownership, this kid used his dad's gun. His dad was a police officer; you wouldn't have stopped this particular shooting even if you banned guns from civilian ownership outright. That said, my condolences to the families of those who died.

22nd March 2005, 13:45	#7
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	Just call me mergeman

22nd March 2005, 15:54	#11
papadoc Comfortably Numb (Forum King) Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Behind the Wall Posts: 4,563	I can't either dlinkwit27. Maybe they pulled all his posts.

22nd March 2005, 20:32	#13
CaboWaboAddict Forum Sot (Major Dude) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Marietta, Ga. U.S.A. Posts: 3,915	The guard at the metal detector was unarmed. WTF??? You are looking for weapons and have no means of stopping someone from entering with one? Idiot's Advocate My site (under construction)

23rd March 2005, 01:45	#16
CaboWaboAddict Forum Sot (Major Dude) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Marietta, Ga. U.S.A. Posts: 3,915	^maybe so, but did the guard have any chance at all unarmed? Idiot's Advocate My site (under construction)

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