Palm OS and NSV

[semose]

I've been trying out my dad's PalmOne Zire 72 with wifi card, and I have to say, I'm impressed. More so would I be if I could find a media player for Palm OS 5.x that can support nsv streaming. Does anyone know of such a program?

Also, the idea of being able to walk around my house with a 320x240 crystal clear LCD display of my stream anywhere in my house (or unencrypted hotspot for that matter ) is just too good to pass up, so I fully plan to buy something to enable me to do this. So has anyone streamed video using shoutcast to any pda?

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

The Moderators are probably going to kick my butt for this, but to be honest, the move around the web these days is towards downloadable video as opposed to streaming video.

The reason I say the Moderators will probably wanna kick my butt for bringing this up is because the preferred video formats are MP4 (Yes, you heard me right!), Quicktime MOV and Windows Media - all in that order.

There's no known support for NSV and many in the video blogging movement (which is the driving force) don't even plan to offer NSV versions of their video blogs (or "vlogs" as they're commonly referred to). In fact, many people in the vlogosphere consider SHOUTcast & NSV to be DEAD and all other forms of streaming media to be on life support with no hope of survival.

It's sad I know, but unfortunately it's true. That's the sentiment many people in the blogosphere have of the streaming media world.

Don't believe me? Check out this website for more info.

Additional websites are as follows....

This website
This website
And this website as well

There's also these Google results too

Lastly, there's MY two video blog pages here and here as well (Okay...Shameless plug I know :lol: ) .

For audio, there are these Google results on Podcasting as well as my two podcasts (URLs are below. Another admittedly shameless plug :lol: ).

All of which can be received by virtually any type of computer and can be produced with devices as simple as a webcam and a mic (for video blogging) and/or a cassette recorder (for podcasting).

And the best part of all is that it can be done literally anywhere.

I realize this is probably what you aren't neccessarily looking for or what you expected. But I hope it helps.

[Jay]

all this boils down to bandwidth bottlenecks but recent moves by verizon may change this if their beta test in keller texas is successful. I am not counting streaming media out yet. There is still alot of technology that needs to be created to make it more viable but it will come, just not right now.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

Hey Jay, I know that SHOUTcast is probably not a viable option for this (Thank You AOL - NOT! ) but is there any chance of MP4 video being integrated into the StreamCast system?

Anyone out there working on Winamp plugins to support MP4 video?

[ken52787]

MP4 (or mpeg-4, as it is referred to by everyone else besides apple) does not look that good at low bitrates. Of course, everyone who downloads their dvdrips in xvid will say I'm a liar, but those typically use a bitrate of 800-1200kbps. Tell the encoder to run at 300kbps and you get ass for the output.

What it all boils down to is that mpeg-4 (divx, xvid, whatever the hell apple calls their codec) is good for high-bitrate downloads, and is pretty much useless for streaming. At reasonable streaming rates, codecs such as VP6, Sorenson, and even Windows Media look remarkably better than mpeg-4.

[Jay]

yes I would love to add support for any advantage codec out there, I just don't see much advantage to mp4 other then to align with the trends of a few players. If the bitrate/quality cannot compare to existing video codecs then I am going to have to say that it wouldn't be worth my time for a streaming platform. Steamcast will definately be viable for on-demand with mp4 however.

[semose]

Wow, way off topic hehe.

I don't mean to be rude, but it doesn't really concern me if the vblogging community has condemed streaming media or not.

Recently I've become fed up with the current tv streams on the shoutcast yellowpages, so I've decided to create my own. Coincidentaly, my dad brought home his Palm, and it got me thinking, what if I could watch my stream from anywhere in the house? Hell, I could be watching Futurama while I take a piss! And it's perfect, because most pocket pc's screens are 320x240 anyway. But I'm having a terrible time finding software capable of doing it. Does anyone have a pocket pc who can tell me if it is? I know they have windows media player, can you watching streaming video in whatever microsoft's format is?

[Baskido]

yep, my pocket pc streamed my video test stream fine guess you can do that same, but windows only allows you to use their codec, that imo cant compare to Vp* series.

[toqer]

There's no difference between downloaded and streaming video at all. Make a link to a NSV stream, right click, save as, instant downloadable stream. (maybe not quite that simple, but pretty much)

The only real difference between streaming and downloaded video is on the client end. Winamp uses buffering, which makes sure it has about 2-3 seconds of video in the buffer before it starts playing. IE, moz, opera, ect do not.

[rockouthippie]

My brother bought a Dell Axim PDA. Windows Media encoder has a profile that produces vids specifically for portables. And it does work just dandy.

[retrostation]

it all comes down to bandwidth. Stream it to 2000 people, 2000 people will watch. Dont have the $$$? Thats the problem.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

AMEN Retro.

Which is why downloadable video has become the standard of video blogging. And if Podcasting is any indicator as to how video blogging will be greeted and welcomed, then streaming media (and Nullsoft's NSV format in particular) will soon be in dire straights.

And the cross platform, cross device support (which includes PDAs I might add) will be the driving force of it all too.

I'll still pimp NSV as it truly is the the best streaming format out there for those of us who can barely pay for our own our own domain on top of everything else, but to be brutally honest, video blogging is only a step or two behind the podcast world (which is why I no longer have my radio stations online). So, I wouldn't at all be the least bit surprised if my TV station went by way of the "horse and buggy" too in the next two or three years (if not sooner!).

Just my opinion

[Inedible Bulk]

/me waits for Pat Cook to hear about PSPcasting

[rockouthippie]

I think Jay is right. The pipe is gonna get bigger, a lot bigger. 5 years ago I was using a 56K modem, 25 years ago I broke the speed limit with a supra 475 baud modem. 300 baud was state of the art.

For under $300, I am able to send 3.4 Terabytes to the web a month. In April last year, it was half that.

Can you see the stack of DVD roms that got sent?.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

I've already got a finger on the pulse of PSPcasting IB (Have had one there ever since I entered the world of video blogging).

[Inedible Bulk]

Then I can't wait till your "Pat Cook Show Podcast Edition" link stops returning:
This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy.

Finger on Tripod.

[Jay]

yup there is nothing innovative about this, this is just a poorman's distribution method, you have been capable of doing this for 10 years now. Nothing about this trumps streaming media's viability.

Also I disagree that they are similar, while yes the SHOUTcast system looks and acts much like an HTTP stream it is not, a true HTTP stream has a length and an end. The notion that a right click and a save as is all you need to do makes it sound like streaming media is fluid and exactly the same as an on-demand system. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

Originally posted by Inedible Bulk
Then I can't wait till your "Pat Cook Show Podcast Edition" link stops returning:
This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy.

Finger on Tripod.

Are you using podcatching software such as iPodder or what? You shouldn't be getting any error messages as the enclosed MP3s are all hosted by the Internet Archive (I couldn't possibly put them all on Tripod).

Please fill me in off board @ patcookshow@gmail.com with the problems you're having.

[Jay]

he is referring to your rss feeds.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

I know. But I wonder what's he's using to access them though.

If he's using a web browser, it won't work because all a web browser is going to do is show a bunch of code. If he's using a news aggregator (even a text based one), I need to know what sort of problems he's having.

Podcatching software such as the one above would alleviate that.

[sankt]

Tripod removed your rss xml file jeeper.

Apparantly they have a policy against remote hosting of files.

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

That only applies to files that are hosted by Tripod. The source MP3s of my podcasts ARE NOT hosted by Tripod (the MP3s are on the Internet Archive).

I logged in via FTP and found the RSS was still there.

BULK - EMAIL ME @ patspodcast@gmail.com with the problems you are having, what you are using to receive the RSS Feed, etc. Let's get this off the board before Germ puts his foot down. *Hint...Hint*

The same email applies to anyone else who may be having problems.

[Inedible Bulk]

Jeeper One, you are new. That's all.

I click "PAT COOK SHOW REALLY BOLD EDITION" (potheadcast), and I get this message:

This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy.

Oh, remote loading? That's right, if you click a link and that link was from anything other than your tripod page, then it will return an error. Yes, I can paste the url into my browser window, but apparently Firefox hates that you start the <?xml more than once (it returns the error on line 20, not one).

I hear http://www.tripod.lycos.co.uk/ lets you remote link (at least, it does for images). You should try it out sometime.

[Jkey]

bulk give him some of that free hosting u give away
go on be nice break the cycle.

[Inedible Bulk]

Originally posted by Jkey
bulk give him some of that free hosting u give away
go on be nice break the cycle.

please take the 'bullet for inedible bulk' from your sig and launch it at high velocity towards your head. it's what i would have wanted.

[Inventive Soft]

Be nice. It's just a sig.

Podcasting is not that new, but it has taken off recently. Still doesn't beat live radio though. Nothing like radio 2 while getting some work done.

Oops. That's gonna get some backlash for sure.

[Inedible Bulk]

Originally posted by Inventive Soft
Podcasting is not that new, but it has taken off recently. Still doesn't beat live radio though. Nothing like radio 2 while getting some work done.

Heard of this thing called shoutcast? They got some good music on there.

[Jkey]

please take the 'bullet for inedible bulk' from your sig and launch it at high velocity towards your head. it's what i would have wanted.

if this is what u wanted u should have stated it in your pm
to me(your helpful pm about my spare bullet).
however i will take onboard what u say

any chance i can get some of that free hosting u give away ?
if i like the service u provide i will pass the news of your great service to every noob on these forums :P

just a joke but thx for the pm

[Jeeper One]

Hi everyone:

[shameless plug] Try it now guys!

Turns out there was an issue, but you guys not telling me how you were trying to access the podcasts was not very helpful though. Had to ask on one of the podcaster Yahoo! Groups to find out for sure. That's what took so long. [/shameless plug].

As for podcasting vs. SHOUTcasting, I look at it this way. If you don't run copyrighted material, why settle for just one station when you can produce a show that airs on many stations at different times, using podcasting as your means of distributing your show to your affiliates???

This is what the crew at The LunaticRadio.com Show do. They podcast their show not only to their affiliates, but to anyone else who wants it too.

Sounds pretty cool, huh??

Anyhow...Just my opinion.

NOW BACK TO NSV PLEASE.....