Not Guilty?

k_rock923 · 28th April 2005, 15:53

Why is it that the legal system will not find a person innocent and only 'not guilty'? Isn't he already innocent unless proven guilty?

LuigiHann · 28th April 2005, 16:22

He's innocent until proven guilty. The trial is about proving him guilty or not, if they don't, he's "not guilty".

k_rock923 · 28th April 2005, 16:28

Which means it was affirmed that he was innocent.

Print · 28th April 2005, 16:46

Yeah well in Canada, proof of innocence falls on the hands of the defence (for the most part), not the prosecutor's as is the case in the United States.

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Which means it was affirmed that he was innocent.

No, it just means they could not determine, or made the decision that you were not guilty. You could technically say, 'if your not guilty, you must be innocent', but that would be inaccurate. Let me explain:

Let's say your cutting come potato's in your house, you slip and the knife goes flying and kills your friend who was over for dinner.

The DA (defence attorney) decides you were not careful and decides to charge you with manslaughter in the first degree, or man 1 as one might say. It goes to court and you are found not guilty (of man 1), meaning you did nothing wrong to cause his wrongful death. This does not mean you did not still have a hand in his death, so you are not innocent, but you are not guilty of the crime in which you have been charged with.

Get what i'm saying? In some cases you may indeed be totally 'innocent', but the court has no way of knowing that, so you are deemed 'not guilty'.

k_rock923 · 28th April 2005, 16:56

I understand what your saying but this is not a case of moral innocence. If we truly are "innocent until proven guilty", why should the accused be punished simply because he was wrongfully accused? He turns into the true victim of the crim where the guilty is in reality the state. A person's reputation can be severly tarnished by any charges brought against him and even when it is found that there was no wrongdong, we insult his integrity by refusing to say what we know to be true - that he is innocent.

rohan_pwln · 28th April 2005, 16:58

Get outta jail and the f**king law system, who cares for being innocent and unguilty or a drab...

mysterious_w · 28th April 2005, 17:01

Unguilty isn't a word you pleb.

Like my biology teacher talking of prey and predators, using the term predation to explain it.

deathazre · 28th April 2005, 18:22

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Originally posted by mysterious_w
Unguilty isn't a word you pleb.

Like my biology teacher talking of prey and predators, using the term predation to explain it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=predation

zootm · 28th April 2005, 18:26

Not guilty of this crime. You could still be guilty of something else, I assume.

LuigiHann · 28th April 2005, 18:42

"Innocent until proven guilty" isn't literal, it means like blueprint said, the burden of proof is on the prosecutors. In some countries, you're "guilty until proven innocent." The phrase makes that distinction, but doesn't mean that everyone who isn't guilty is innocent. They're just words, man. If you're going to say that anyone who is not guilty is innocent by definition, then what difference does it make which is said?

Cognition · 29th April 2005, 00:44

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Originally posted by mysterious_w
Unguilty isn't a word you pleb.

Like my biology teacher talking of prey and predators, using the term predation to explain it.

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Originally posted by deathazre
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=predation

OWNED

28th April 2005, 15:53	#1
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	Not Guilty? Why is it that the legal system will not find a person innocent and only 'not guilty'? Isn't he already innocent unless proven guilty? Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

28th April 2005, 16:22	#2
LuigiHann Forum King Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 80's Japan Posts: 3,449	He's innocent until proven guilty. The trial is about proving him guilty or not, if they don't, he's "not guilty". Who is the milkman? What is the purpose of the goggles?

28th April 2005, 16:28	#3
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	Which means it was affirmed that he was innocent. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

28th April 2005, 16:56	#5
k_rock923 \m/ (Forum King) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: /bin/bash Posts: 7,850	I understand what your saying but this is not a case of moral innocence. If we truly are "innocent until proven guilty", why should the accused be punished simply because he was wrongfully accused? He turns into the true victim of the crim where the guilty is in reality the state. A person's reputation can be severly tarnished by any charges brought against him and even when it is found that there was no wrongdong, we insult his integrity by refusing to say what we know to be true - that he is innocent. Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.

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mysterious_w Forum King Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Good ol' Britain Posts: 2,750	Unguilty isn't a word you pleb. Like my biology teacher talking of prey and predators, using the term predation to explain it.

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zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,375	Not guilty of this crime. You could still be guilty of something else, I assume.

28th April 2005, 18:42	#10
LuigiHann Forum King Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 80's Japan Posts: 3,449	"Innocent until proven guilty" isn't literal, it means like blueprint said, the burden of proof is on the prosecutors. In some countries, you're "guilty until proven innocent." The phrase makes that distinction, but doesn't mean that everyone who isn't guilty is innocent. They're just words, man. If you're going to say that anyone who is not guilty is innocent by definition, then what difference does it make which is said? Who is the milkman? What is the purpose of the goggles?

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