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28th May 2000, 15:16

When is there going to be a Visual Basic section in the developer section?

Ice · 28th May 2000, 19:56

I dont think that nullsoft is going to support Visual Basic. Visual Basic is just icky. Visual C++ is what you need to learn.

I dont think that to many plugins have actually been written in Visual Basic, for some reason (MS SUCKS) basic isn't all that good of a language for writing these types of applications.

peter · 31st May 2000, 00:23

Visual Basic SUCKS. I wasted a few months on learning this crap and writing extremely slow programs (fractal generators FYI). Compiling the same code (with a few syntax changes) under Delphi caused over 5x speedup. Currently I use C/C++ with ASM critical routines.
All input/VIS/DSP/output plugins require a lot of data processing and VB plugins would be probably too slow to work in real time on current hardware. Of course, it is possible to play files in passive mode using some VB APIs (DirectMusic for an example), but there is no need for this kind of plugin.
If somebody even wrote a good VB compiler, no serious programmer would use it because this language (as its name tells) has been designed for newbies.

Ice · 1st June 2000, 04:31

just wondering.. i'm working on learning visual c++ (i know SOME c++.. basic things.. input/output)... any books/guides that you can recomend?

KenoDaddy_2000 · 1st June 2000, 16:15

VB cannot create the correct DLLs that WInamp requires, so C++ or Delphi are the only real options I think (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I personally can't see the advantage of Visual C++ if you aren't going to use forms anyway (e.g most vis. or audio plugins).

Just my 2 cents worth

Matt

peter · 1st June 2000, 19:13

This is funny. I've been using C/C++ for two years and somehow I haven't read any book about it

. Everything you need can be usually found in MSVC help. If you want to learn programming effectively, you need some good idea what to do. Some 3 years ago I started that fun with fractal generators. First ones were made in Turbo Pascal (crappy look) and Visual Basic (crappy speed). I said: "This sucks. I'll make it work _really_ fast someday.". And I've made it...
About Delphi - I haven't been using this thing for 2 years and my knowledge about it is outdated. I know that it is possible to make good Winamp plugins with it, but I've got used to C/C++ too much. Delphi compilers are good, but C/C++ language is much more common and its syntax is easier when you get used to it.

Ice · 3rd June 2000, 07:18

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PP:
This is funny. I've been using C/C++ for two years and somehow I haven't read any book about it . Everything you need can be usually found in MSVC help. If you want to learn programming effectively, you need some good idea what to do. Some 3 years ago I started that fun with fractal generators. First ones were made in Turbo Pascal (crappy look) and Visual Basic (crappy speed). I said: "This sucks. I'll make it work _really_ fast someday.". And I've made it...
About Delphi - I haven't been using this thing for 2 years and my knowledge about it is outdated. I know that it is possible to make good Winamp plugins with it, but I've got used to C/C++ too much. Delphi compilers are good, but C/C++ language is much more common and its syntax is easier when you get used to it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

that is a real good way to learn how to program.. and thats how i learned basic so very long ago... but i do prefer to read a book just to get the basic ideas.. like why you use this.. how things are structures.. blah blah blah.. visual c++ is a real bitch, thats all i can say right now.

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28th May 2000, 15:16	#1
PietersWeb Guest Posts: n/a	When is there going to be a Visual Basic section in the developer section?

28th May 2000, 19:56	#2
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,304	I dont think that nullsoft is going to support Visual Basic. Visual Basic is just icky. Visual C++ is what you need to learn. I dont think that to many plugins have actually been written in Visual Basic, for some reason (MS SUCKS) basic isn't all that good of a language for writing these types of applications.

31st May 2000, 00:23	#3
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	Visual Basic SUCKS. I wasted a few months on learning this crap and writing extremely slow programs (fractal generators FYI). Compiling the same code (with a few syntax changes) under Delphi caused over 5x speedup. Currently I use C/C++ with ASM critical routines. All input/VIS/DSP/output plugins require a lot of data processing and VB plugins would be probably too slow to work in real time on current hardware. Of course, it is possible to play files in passive mode using some VB APIs (DirectMusic for an example), but there is no need for this kind of plugin. If somebody even wrote a good VB compiler, no serious programmer would use it because this language (as its name tells) has been designed for newbies.

1st June 2000, 04:31	#4
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,304	just wondering.. i'm working on learning visual c++ (i know SOME c++.. basic things.. input/output)... any books/guides that you can recomend?

1st June 2000, 16:15	#5
KenoDaddy_2000 Moderator Alumni Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sunderland Posts: 105	VB cannot create the correct DLLs that WInamp requires, so C++ or Delphi are the only real options I think (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). I personally can't see the advantage of Visual C++ if you aren't going to use forms anyway (e.g most vis. or audio plugins). Just my 2 cents worth Matt

1st June 2000, 19:13	#6
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	This is funny. I've been using C/C++ for two years and somehow I haven't read any book about it . Everything you need can be usually found in MSVC help. If you want to learn programming effectively, you need some good idea what to do. Some 3 years ago I started that fun with fractal generators. First ones were made in Turbo Pascal (crappy look) and Visual Basic (crappy speed). I said: "This sucks. I'll make it work _really_ fast someday.". And I've made it... About Delphi - I haven't been using this thing for 2 years and my knowledge about it is outdated. I know that it is possible to make good Winamp plugins with it, but I've got used to C/C++ too much. Delphi compilers are good, but C/C++ language is much more common and its syntax is easier when you get used to it.

3rd June 2000, 07:18	#7
Ice Moderator Alumni Americas Favorite Smut Peddler Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Sun Prarie, WI Posts: 3,304	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PP: This is funny. I've been using C/C++ for two years and somehow I haven't read any book about it . Everything you need can be usually found in MSVC help. If you want to learn programming effectively, you need some good idea what to do. Some 3 years ago I started that fun with fractal generators. First ones were made in Turbo Pascal (crappy look) and Visual Basic (crappy speed). I said: "This sucks. I'll make it work _really_ fast someday.". And I've made it... About Delphi - I haven't been using this thing for 2 years and my knowledge about it is outdated. I know that it is possible to make good Winamp plugins with it, but I've got used to C/C++ too much. Delphi compilers are good, but C/C++ language is much more common and its syntax is easier when you get used to it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> that is a real good way to learn how to program.. and thats how i learned basic so very long ago... but i do prefer to read a book just to get the basic ideas.. like why you use this.. how things are structures.. blah blah blah.. visual c++ is a real bitch, thats all i can say right now.