milkdrop.us

redi jedi · 4th February 2006, 04:21

well, i've ordered my new website, it gonna be milkdrop.us now we would all have to hit every item on the site like 30-50 times a day for me to go over bandwith... yay!
its not up yet, says one busness day, so it might not be up till monday.. but i'll have the beta6.1 source up when the site is.

51Strong · 5th February 2006, 00:02

Ah great you got your site back

Logy · 5th February 2006, 08:26

yeaaahh... let we make things better... step leap ahead... !!!

redi jedi · 5th February 2006, 15:24

ok its up, beta 6.1 .dll and source are there, check the dev page. thanks to everyone for understanding, and supporting me during this time

MechxWarrior · 6th February 2006, 00:02

Great to hear it

Cant wait for a fix to the multi-monitors.

Phat · 8th February 2006, 18:07

I updated the wikkipedia artical here..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MilkDrop#External_links

Also you're guest book seems to be broken.

redi jedi · 9th February 2006, 03:03

ya i have to actualy add the database for it through my hosts control panal

Koopa · 10th February 2006, 23:54

redi jedi: will your betas get the fixes from MilkDrop 1.04d (multiuser compatibility, fixed high CPU usage), or is there no source code for 1.04d aviable?

redi jedi · 11th February 2006, 00:24

1.04d???
i was under the impresion that the last release was 1.04b... i've personaly seen 1.04c, and now i'm hearing of 1.04d... if there is source i havent found it yet. if you find it i would be happy to include it

Koopa · 11th February 2006, 18:24

I'll ask, if the sources are aviable, the changes since 1.04b:

* Fixed: [vis_milk] 100% cpu usage when paused
* Fixed: [vis_milk] missing files from distro (not releated to your development)
* Fixed: Visualizations for 24bit and 32bit songs
* Improved: Visualization data calculations (not sure, if this is MilkDrop related)
* Fixed: Multiuser compatibility

It makes no sense, if you develop 1.05 and Milkdrop 1.04d has bug fixes and improvements, wich are missing in 1.05.

Keep on your good work.

Benski · 11th February 2006, 18:48

The following changes were made...
*Grabbing the user's INI directory via a Winamp IPC call.
*Using Winamp's mersenne twister random number generator (you can grab the function pointer via an IPC call)
*Setting winampVisModule::delayMS to 10

at some point in the future, I will be removing the FFT calculation from milkdrop and start using the spectrum data directly. I have improved Winamp's spectrum viz data calculation dramatically (it's safe to say that it used to be completely broken)

you can contact me directly if you need any more details for source changes.

redi jedi · 11th February 2006, 22:03

a copy of the source would be nice, or at least the code for the updates... i didnt know that vis plugins had direct access to frequency info... makes me wonder what the fft was for in the first place.. i'll research how to acces it and prolly add that feature in myself( i try to leave the current process intact so old presets still work, i'll prolly change my sound(a,b) function to get its info from winamp directly... sweet!

i'm assuming the delay 10ms is what fixed the 100% usage?
i would prefer to not have to redo work thats been done, so a copy of "current" source would be nice... why was only the source for 1.04b released when theres 2 more versions?

Benski · 11th February 2006, 23:37

Quote:

i didnt know that vis plugins had direct access to frequency info... makes me wonder what the fft was for in the first place..

Because Ryan felt that Winamp's FFT wasn't good enough (and he was right).

Quote:

i'll research how to acces it and prolly add that feature in myself( i try to leave the current process intact so old presets still work, i'll prolly change my sound(a,b) function to get its info from winamp directly... sweet!

set winampVisModule::spectrumNch equal to how many channels you want (1 or 2) and Winamp will start giving you data via winampVisModule::spectrumData

Quote:

i'm assuming the delay 10ms is what fixed the 100% usage?

Yes.

Quote:

i would prefer to not have to redo work thats been done, so a copy of "current" source would be nice... why was only the source for 1.04b released when theres 2 more versions?

Because these changes were made after the source was released.

redi jedi · 12th February 2006, 01:52

ahhh! i guess i just never heard about them because my head has been burried in ryans code for the past 1/2 year or however long its been out.

did you guys do these updates or someone else? if it was you is the source thats posted now updated? other wise where can i find it? if posible please e-mail it to
redi-jedi@milkdrop.us and i would be happy to include it in my next beta...

as for the spect data, this is now top of my list(it was pretty empty before though :0) since it was only there to fix an inequity in winamp witch is now fixed, i'll go ahead and remove the old fft since it, that should up fps at least a little...

RonnyJ · 12th February 2006, 14:19

Not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but since both Benski/redi jedi seem to be involved in Milkdrop development, I hope it's relevant here.

There's an issue with Milkdrop and DEP (Data Execution Protection) on AMD 64 chips, which results in an illegal operation.

An example here:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=237684
and
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=200025

I've been using Milkdrop 1.04, which has this problem, and so I've had to manually disable DEP for Winamp, after finding the solution buried in a thread posted a year ago. I've just re-enabled it to see if it's fixed with redi jedi's beta 6.1 build, but it still crashes.

redi jedi · 12th February 2006, 15:52

sounds like a windows problem to me... i guess it could be added to the readme or something...

mr_jrt · 26th February 2006, 17:49

From my experiments with the code I noticed Milkdrop does some kind of dynamic code generation. I suspected at the time it would cause problems with DEP, but as I only have an old P3, it didn't really bother me. I'm not sure what the correct way to solve the problem is (i.e. tell windows to turn off DEP for some data progmatically).

bpetersen · 1st March 2006, 05:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Benski
The following changes were made...
[...]
*Using Winamp's mersenne twister random number generator (you can grab the function pointer via an IPC call) [...]

Can you please tell me how this works?

Best regards,
Bjoern

Phat · 3rd March 2006, 02:39

Honestly a 512 band FFT sux. Unless you have like a bizzilan points, it has SOOO much noise it's useless. Even Sound Forge's like 6000 band FFT is still noisey in the sub bass frequencys.

Eo.S. and I, while making a music video KNOW what frequency bands we wish to respond in certain ways. STILL we cannot get milkdrop to respond to certain bands sufficiently enough to be visually accurate when in the context of ONE track.

And thats when we have the audio we want a preset to respond to directly, and can look at the spectral analysis in audio software and pick out what frequency bands certain elements of the track spike.

Also, would changing milkdrop in this manner make it so that people using older versions of winamp would have a broken copy of milkdrop?

redi jedi · 3rd March 2006, 16:54

i was thinking of checking for the version of winamp, and doing the old style if its not after the "fixed" version... still not sure how to do that though... been really busy latly, and havent had much time to devote to MD programing, or research, but i'll get to it sometime, any ideas on how specficly it should would would be helpfull

Sherwin Maxawow · 21st March 2006, 20:02

COOL Redi....I like what I see there. Also like the presets. Hope you appreciate sincere my compliment.

redi jedi · 22nd March 2006, 16:53

thanks Sherwin! it really does mean alot to me to see you guys appreaciate what i'm doing here(although i have done anything in a while, got work and i'm trying to build 4 websites at onece for diffrent people)

4th February 2006, 04:21	#1
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	milkdrop.us well, i've ordered my new website, it gonna be milkdrop.us now we would all have to hit every item on the site like 30-50 times a day for me to go over bandwith... yay! its not up yet, says one busness day, so it might not be up till monday.. but i'll have the beta6.1 source up when the site is. Blah!

5th February 2006, 08:26	#3
Logy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Terengganu, Malaysia, Asia, Earth Posts: 302	yeaaahh... let we make things better... step leap ahead... !!! The English suffix -logy denotes a field of study or academic discipline.

5th February 2006, 15:24	#4
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	ok its up, beta 6.1 .dll and source are there, check the dev page. thanks to everyone for understanding, and supporting me during this time Blah!

9th February 2006, 03:03	#7
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	ya i have to actualy add the database for it through my hosts control panal Blah!

10th February 2006, 23:54	#8
Koopa 16-Bit Addicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,518	redi jedi: will your betas get the fixes from MilkDrop 1.04d (multiuser compatibility, fixed high CPU usage), or is there no source code for 1.04d aviable? My Winamp Info Report Own Projects: \| Nullsoft Tray Control Icon Pack v3.1 \| Winamp Essentials Pack v5.63a \| Winamp Backup Tool v1.0 \| >> Winamp Info Tool v4.1 << \| German Translations: \| Offizielle Deutsche Winamp Sprachdatei v5.63 \| Offizielle Deutsche Winamp Sprachdatei Plus Version 5.63 \| Useful Winamp Plug-ins: \| SNESAmp \| 64th Note \| NotSo FatSo \| in_zip \| Highly Experimental PSF Player \| Yar Matey! Playlist Copier v1.11 \|

5th February 2006, 00:02	#2
51Strong Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 80	Ah great you got your site back

6th February 2006, 00:02	#5
MechxWarrior Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6	Great to hear it Cant wait for a fix to the multi-monitors.

8th February 2006, 18:07	#6
Phat Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 979	I updated the wikkipedia artical here.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MilkDrop#External_links Also you're guest book seems to be broken.

11th February 2006, 00:24	#9
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	1.04d??? i was under the impresion that the last release was 1.04b... i've personaly seen 1.04c, and now i'm hearing of 1.04d... if there is source i havent found it yet. if you find it i would be happy to include it Blah!

11th February 2006, 18:24	#10
Koopa 16-Bit Addicted Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,518	I'll ask, if the sources are aviable, the changes since 1.04b: * Fixed: [vis_milk] 100% cpu usage when paused * Fixed: [vis_milk] missing files from distro (not releated to your development) * Fixed: Visualizations for 24bit and 32bit songs * Improved: Visualization data calculations (not sure, if this is MilkDrop related) * Fixed: Multiuser compatibility It makes no sense, if you develop 1.05 and Milkdrop 1.04d has bug fixes and improvements, wich are missing in 1.05. Keep on your good work. My Winamp Info Report Own Projects: \| Nullsoft Tray Control Icon Pack v3.1 \| Winamp Essentials Pack v5.63a \| Winamp Backup Tool v1.0 \| >> Winamp Info Tool v4.1 << \| German Translations: \| Offizielle Deutsche Winamp Sprachdatei v5.63 \| Offizielle Deutsche Winamp Sprachdatei Plus Version 5.63 \| Useful Winamp Plug-ins: \| SNESAmp \| 64th Note \| NotSo FatSo \| in_zip \| Highly Experimental PSF Player \| Yar Matey! Playlist Copier v1.11 \|

11th February 2006, 18:48	#11
Benski Ben Allison Lead Developer Winamp Dev Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ashburn, VA Posts: 1,018	The following changes were made... Grabbing the user's INI directory via a Winamp IPC call. Using Winamp's mersenne twister random number generator (you can grab the function pointer via an IPC call) *Setting winampVisModule::delayMS to 10 at some point in the future, I will be removing the FFT calculation from milkdrop and start using the spectrum data directly. I have improved Winamp's spectrum viz data calculation dramatically (it's safe to say that it used to be completely broken) you can contact me directly if you need any more details for source changes.

11th February 2006, 22:03	#12
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	a copy of the source would be nice, or at least the code for the updates... i didnt know that vis plugins had direct access to frequency info... makes me wonder what the fft was for in the first place.. i'll research how to acces it and prolly add that feature in myself( i try to leave the current process intact so old presets still work, i'll prolly change my sound(a,b) function to get its info from winamp directly... sweet! i'm assuming the delay 10ms is what fixed the 100% usage? i would prefer to not have to redo work thats been done, so a copy of "current" source would be nice... why was only the source for 1.04b released when theres 2 more versions? Blah!

12th February 2006, 01:52	#14
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	ahhh! i guess i just never heard about them because my head has been burried in ryans code for the past 1/2 year or however long its been out. did you guys do these updates or someone else? if it was you is the source thats posted now updated? other wise where can i find it? if posible please e-mail it to redi-jedi@milkdrop.us and i would be happy to include it in my next beta... as for the spect data, this is now top of my list(it was pretty empty before though :0) since it was only there to fix an inequity in winamp witch is now fixed, i'll go ahead and remove the old fft since it, that should up fps at least a little... Blah!

12th February 2006, 14:19	#15
RonnyJ Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13	Not sure whether this is the right place to post this, but since both Benski/redi jedi seem to be involved in Milkdrop development, I hope it's relevant here. There's an issue with Milkdrop and DEP (Data Execution Protection) on AMD 64 chips, which results in an illegal operation. An example here: http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=237684 and http://forums.winamp.com/showthread....hreadid=200025 I've been using Milkdrop 1.04, which has this problem, and so I've had to manually disable DEP for Winamp, after finding the solution buried in a thread posted a year ago. I've just re-enabled it to see if it's fixed with redi jedi's beta 6.1 build, but it still crashes.

12th February 2006, 15:52	#16
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	sounds like a windows problem to me... i guess it could be added to the readme or something... Blah!

26th February 2006, 17:49	#17
mr_jrt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bushey, England Posts: 11	From my experiments with the code I noticed Milkdrop does some kind of dynamic code generation. I suspected at the time it would cause problems with DEP, but as I only have an old P3, it didn't really bother me. I'm not sure what the correct way to solve the problem is (i.e. tell windows to turn off DEP for some data progmatically).

3rd March 2006, 02:39	#19
Phat Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 979	Honestly a 512 band FFT sux. Unless you have like a bizzilan points, it has SOOO much noise it's useless. Even Sound Forge's like 6000 band FFT is still noisey in the sub bass frequencys. Eo.S. and I, while making a music video KNOW what frequency bands we wish to respond in certain ways. STILL we cannot get milkdrop to respond to certain bands sufficiently enough to be visually accurate when in the context of ONE track. And thats when we have the audio we want a preset to respond to directly, and can look at the spectral analysis in audio software and pick out what frequency bands certain elements of the track spike. Also, would changing milkdrop in this manner make it so that people using older versions of winamp would have a broken copy of milkdrop?

3rd March 2006, 16:54	#20
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	i was thinking of checking for the version of winamp, and doing the old style if its not after the "fixed" version... still not sure how to do that though... been really busy latly, and havent had much time to devote to MD programing, or research, but i'll get to it sometime, any ideas on how specficly it should would would be helpfull Blah!

21st March 2006, 20:02	#21
Sherwin Maxawow Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In the "World Wild Wow" Posts: 157	COOL Redi....I like what I see there. Also like the presets. Hope you appreciate sincere my compliment. The Milk must Flow

22nd March 2006, 16:53	#22
redi jedi Will code for food Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orlando Posts: 520	thanks Sherwin! it really does mean alot to me to see you guys appreaciate what i'm doing here(although i have done anything in a while, got work and i'm trying to build 4 websites at onece for diffrent people) Blah!

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