No racism, eh?

[PietdeVries]

I tried emailing you guys but that didn't help so here's a try through your forum...

While searching for a good metal station I came across a certain radio station and I'd never expected Shoutcast to support such a station. This station plays neo nazi and racist bands and clearly knows what they are playing. I hope Shoutcast and Nullsoft will act and delete this station from their lists.

All the best,

A concerned metal fan

[Evil Lu]

And now you've just advertised it making it more likely that idiots will listen to such garbage.
From the terms and conditions of use.

Disclaimer

Nullsoft, Inc. and its parent company, America Online, Inc., is not responsible for the content of any broadcast. Nullsoft, Inc. believes in the First Amendment to the US Constitution and will not review or censure any broadcast. Those who listen to any broadcast listed or served herein assume all risk of being offended or suffering any other form of damage.

[deppy]

SHOUTcast doesn't "support" anything other than it's own product, the SHOUTcast server. Stations are owned by the person who set them up, not by SHOUTcast.

Also, please read the rules before posting. Advertising is not allowed (even if it's indirect advertising).

[PietdeVries]

You're right about the indirect advertising, thanks for editing the post.

Ah, Americans and their first amendment... you can say anything, that's right. (Especially if it ends with 'God bless America') Still, if I, through my work, would help spreading such material I'd want to do something about it. And if it were in my power to do so, I would.

[Jay]

Well we prefer that everyone have the right to sensor themselves rather then us doing it for you. So long as they have the right to say whatever they like it is certain that the more tolerant station's rights will not be trampled. Do you honestly believe that by hiding it we solve anything?

[djevolved]

a thread like this surfaces every year around this time, right?

[NJK]

Originally posted by djevolved
a thread like this surfaces every year around this time, right?

yep
the d-day date is approching just as the celebration of being libarated from the german occupation.

@Piet
even in je eigen taal

wij in Nederland kennen ook die vrijheid van meningsuiting
als jij het niet met iets eens bent, ga je dan ook gelijk bij die instantie klagen??

heb jij een brief naar Beatrix gezonden toen de er een bepaald e politieke partij werd opgericht??

Nee dus maar je gaat je hier beklagen over iets waar nullsoft/shoutcast niets aan kan doen.

[MegaRock]

Not even sure why people post this kind of stuff. Shoutcast is not responsible in any way for the content of any radio station. If they were to remove one because someone found it offensive to them then they would eventually have to remove them all because every station out there is apt to offend someone at some time. If you don't like it - ignore it. Talking about it only spreads the word so each time someone complains about something offensive they are in essence helping to advertise it.

[PietdeVries]

Originally posted by spaceplay
yep
the d-day date is approching just as the celebration of being libarated from the german occupation.

@Piet
even in je eigen taal

wij in Nederland kennen ook die vrijheid van meningsuiting
als jij het niet met iets eens bent, ga je dan ook gelijk bij die instantie klagen??

heb jij een brief naar Beatrix gezonden toen de er een bepaald e politieke partij werd opgericht??

Nee dus maar je gaat je hier beklagen over iets waar nullsoft/shoutcast niets aan kan doen.

It has nothing to do with D-day or whatever.

En de vrijheid van meningsuiting is in Nederland een stuk beperkter dan in de USA.

Back on the subject:

I'm not saying you have to hide anything. I just think you shouldn't let them use you, that's all. And I think you are hiding behind the first amendment instead of taking responsibility yourself. Of course everyone is entitled to say anything. But you don't allow racism in this board, right? I assume that's because you're against it. Or don't you care at all and is it just that you're afraid of getting in trouble?

[NJK]

Piet

doe ff normaal
dit forum heeft niets te maken met wat iemand uitzend via shoutcast/nullsoft software.

de disclaimer spreekt duidelijk over het niet verantwoordelijk zijn voor wat een zender uitzend.
Derhalve is wat jij post op dit moment totaal niet relevant.

als je hier zo graag over wilt klagen moet je dat doen bij die zender.

Niemand verbergt zich hier maar gebruik even je gezonde verstand en ga klagen waar je dat moet doen nl , bij diegene die deze zender op internet zet.

Niemand in dit forum gaat problemen krijgen maar doe niet zo dom om ook nog eens gratis advertenties te plaatsen voor dit station.

dus nogmaals. Wat hier gebeurdt op het forum heeft TOTAAL niets te maken met wat op de YP ( yellow pages) staat van Shoutcast.com

[Germ]

he just got told in dutch didn't he

[PietdeVries]

Originally posted by Germ
he just got told in dutch didn't he

No I didn't. I just don't spend my whole life online...


Hoezo heeft Shoutcast er niks mee te maken? Ik heb dat station toch gevonden via Shoutcast? En vergelijk dat ajb niet met een browser want Shoutcast is heel wat anders.

[Evil Lu]

Still moaning?
Look, shoutcast software is free to all, the terms and conditions state that Nullsoft/AOL are not responsible for content of what people broadcast.
Nobody is making you listen to things you don't like.

Nog jammerend?
Kijk, shoutcast is de software vrij om allen, de voorwaarden het geven dat Nullsoft op/AOL is niet verantwoordelijk voor inhoud van wat de mensen uitzenden.
Niemand maakt u aan dingen luisteren u niet houdt van.

Excuse my appalling Dutch.

[dotme]

Ya know, when I was a kid I used to visit Speakers Corner in Hyde Park, London. Back then, people stood on soap boxes and said whatever they wanted to say. Nobody complained to, or threatened to sue, the company that made the boxes they stood on, or the council which owned the land.

Your issue is with the content originator, not the medium they use to spread their garbage. Stop giving these people undeserved publicity and let this thread sink into oblivion.

[NJK]

the trouble with this stupid idiot who won't listen is that when he buys a tv set at "media markt" ( cough cough sorry had to use a name) and he has it delivered by UPS to his doorstep, he is the kind that goes complaining to UPS when the tv set turns out to be broken.

that is all there is to it but it seems he's too stupid to understand what he has been told.

please don't think that all dutch members here are like this.

[Jay]

no I would say it is like complaining to tv guide for listing the content being played on the playboy channel.

[tuckerm]

[PietdeVries]

Originally posted by Evil Lu
Still moaning?
Look, shoutcast software is free to all, the terms and conditions state that Nullsoft/AOL are not responsible for content of what people broadcast.
Nobody is making you listen to things you don't like.

Nog jammerend?
Kijk, shoutcast is de software vrij om allen, de voorwaarden het geven dat Nullsoft op/AOL is niet verantwoordelijk voor inhoud van wat de mensen uitzenden.
Niemand maakt u aan dingen luisteren u niet houdt van.

Excuse my appalling Dutch.

Nope. Just saying I wasn't 'told' in Dutch and replying to my fellow Dutchman.

@Spaceplay: En die fries heeft duidelijk last van plaatsvervangende schaamte...

[NJK]

Getting told= dat je te horen krijgt dat je de plank volledig mis slaat.

pak er anders even gezellig een woordenboek bij.

Nee hoor , maar ik vind het diep triest dat iemand zo lang nodig heeft om iets heel simpels te begrijpen.

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@Germ

could you explain to Piet what getting told means??
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@evil lu
keep it up , you might end up speaking dutch again one day.??

[PietdeVries]

Originally posted by KXRM
no I would say it is like complaining to tv guide for listing the content being played on the playboy channel.

If the tv guide had their own broadcast facilities they ventured out to others, gave me a tv set and said: look 200 channels waiting for you to tune into! And there were channels among them whith content like this radio broadcaster I sure would complain. No matter who actually 'made' the broadcast.

Shoutcast is more than an internet radioguide. They don't list all stations so Shoutcast isn't like a public square with soapboxes.

[Evil Lu]

I'd advise a swift dose of alt f4 and go outside to look at the wildlife. It may suit you more than the internet. How about shouting at Google too before you shut the door behind you?

[PietdeVries]

PS: For all the complaints about promoting the station: I tried to delete the text of my initial post but I'm not allowed anymore.

[PietdeVries]

@Spaceplay: Jezus, jij wou mij Engels gaan leren? Er grappig, maar goed jij kent me verder ook niet dus ook mijn Australische achtergrond niet. En ook je tweede poging om het in schelden te laten eindigen trap ik niet in.

@Lu: Ok, ok, I'm leaving. Too bad you kept flashing the Disclaimer at me instead of getting into a discussion.

@Everyone: I hope your blood pressure's going down now!

[Jay]

Originally posted by PietdeVries
If the tv guide had their own broadcast facilities they ventured out to others, gave me a tv set and said: look 200 channels waiting for you to tune into! And there were channels among them whith content like this radio broadcaster I sure would complain. No matter who actually 'made' the broadcast.

Shoutcast is more than an internet radioguide. They don't list all stations so Shoutcast isn't like a public square with soapboxes.

Even still you don't sue directv when you have a problem with playboy content. You also don't sue transmitter manufacturers or tv set manufacturers either. You go after the content distributor for the results you seek.

[hackerdork]

Rolling my eyes...

Freedom in my country is something I am glad to have. I have stand on a street corner and call someone a dumbshit to their face!. however that person I called a dumbshit also has the right to sue me, not the country I live in or the street corner I am standing on.

What's next. sue my fish for pissing in his fish tank.

Long live freedom.

~ DK
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[NJK]

@Evil Lu
which wildlife?? or are you refering to the Amsterdam Zoo??

I personally think that Piet is nothing more than an annoying brat who isn't going to listen to anything he's getting told.
He has his thoughts about this and according to him he's right

Shoutcast is more than an internet radioguide.

Nope Shoutcast.com is nothing more than a radio guide and a place where you can download the nullsoft software you need to stream

They don't list all stations so Shoutcast isn't like a public square with soapboxes.

Guess what it says on the page
it lists all those that stream using shoutcast software.
wow einstein you found out that SHOUTCAST isn't listing stations that use icecast software.