Updates and Changes

illness01 · 24th June 2006, 20:14

WINAMP has been asking for way too many updates. This is ridiculous. Bad programming and application design is when the programmer or company feels like their software is more important than any other. v1, v1.01, v1.02, v1.03, etc. DO major version changes and less frequent small ones!!! Do I have to update WINAMP software every month? I have three computers that I have to update: work, laptop, home. And they change the location of some of the Media Player Links! I have to keep looking for where they placed the bookmarks link. I've been using winamp for almost 10 years now, and I may be forced to switch to Windows Media player of iTunes because of such selfish update issues. Programs should work seamlessly.

mikm · 24th June 2006, 20:40

Those selfish developers! How dare they fix bugs!

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade minor versions unless you're affected by some issue. You can turn off the notificaiton if you want (I'll let you figure that out).

illness01 · 24th June 2006, 20:44

Major bug fixes are one thing. Feature changes are another.

siebe83 · 24th June 2006, 21:59

Quote:

I've been using winamp for almost 10 years now, and I may be forced to switch to Windows Media player of iTunes because of such selfish update issues.

Bwhahaha!

I'm on your side man, they should've stopped developing Winamp years ago. All those new features, damn.

DrO · 24th June 2006, 22:49

and then when there aren't updates to projects people moan. it's a loose loose situation and frankly it pisses me off since from a developer's view point at times you can never win. as for the 'frequent' releases, it's not like you're downloading almost all of the internal dev builds so one every month or so is reasonable i think for such an app. and holding back and doing one release with everything done in one go is in fact a bad idea since you then have more to verify in one go which is a right pain to do. small frequent updates allow for changes, etc to be verified better. also considering a number of the internal changes that have and are still to be made (like making more of the player unicode compatible to keep the countless number of other users happy) then that needs to be spread out over time with parts updated in stages and then verified.

also having to download once a month or so isn't all that bad, it's not like you've got the potential of however many projects no longer working with a newer version of winamp as i have to deal with (5.22 broke a number which i've still to fix) so really on that count with the time and effort i need to put into researching the issues, finding out the location(s) in the plugin at fault, implementing the fix and then verifying the fix is correct for both new and older versions of winamp, really i should start sueing them for the time i've lost against other things.

basically no one is forcing you to update so it's really down to your own personal internet habits to decide what and when you download/install/update/etc now isn't it?

-daz

ElChevelle · 25th June 2006, 00:01

sgtfuzzbubble011 · 25th June 2006, 01:37

Too-DAMN-Much · 25th June 2006, 01:49

guys... why not implement an updater "function" like those used in antivirus software, nothing resident, just a "check updates" button, that doesn't require redownloading the whole player.

now that said, i'm DEFINETLY not siding with this idiot.

DrO · 25th June 2006, 07:53

Too-DAMN-Much: it's been talked about before, the main issue is that due to the way in which certain updates are carried out, trying to do tech support on multi version instances with different dlls would make it hard to work out what the problem could be. maybe it'll happen one day but it's not a definite.

i feel so relaxed after my earlier rant here

-daz

zootm · 25th June 2006, 12:05

Doing diff updates is a lot more complex, for little benefit. Might be possible to do that sort of thing using a Subversion-based (or some other version control with binary versioning-based) update system, but the extra strain on the server would probably make it impractical.

c2R · 25th June 2006, 12:47

Quote:

Originally posted by illness01
I've been using winamp for almost 10 years now, and I may be forced to switch to Windows Media player of iTunes because of such selfish update issues.

Noone's stopping you using media player or itunes if you want.... we don't really care.

If you really have been using winamp for so long, you'll know that it's always been so that there are lots of minor version revisions including bugfixes and enhancements....

illness01 · 10th July 2006, 03:24

Yeah yeah, I'm crying. It is called "The Bitchlist" for a reason though.

Anyway, I understand that updates (bug fixes) are good and all, but stuff like rearranging where the bookmarks link is in the media library and changing the way the radio search engine works are NOT. With each update, I need to figure out where things were relocated. Why not make one large update so we can learn all the changes at once? Or at least have a beta version where people who love to update can test them out first before releasing the final version. I understand that there's a lot of people who use all the features of winamp, but there's a lot of people like me who just want to open up the damn thing and listen to music. Most of you (forum users) aren't like me. For example, I hate the new radio search engine design. Are the developers going to find a new way to search for radio links and then make a new change AGAIN?

And from a developer's point of view, frequent updates may be better. But a good program doesn't program from the developer's point of view. It's from the point of view of the users. This is exactly why Linux will never become popular. Too many developers don't understand the mass audience which include grandmas and 5 year old kids. Not everyone's a teenager/pre-adult who knows how to code.

Just my thought. Yeah yeah, *wah, wah* I'm ranting cuz I hate microsoft and will probably be using their media player soon.

24th June 2006, 20:14	#1
illness01 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 3	Updates and Changes WINAMP has been asking for way too many updates. This is ridiculous. Bad programming and application design is when the programmer or company feels like their software is more important than any other. v1, v1.01, v1.02, v1.03, etc. DO major version changes and less frequent small ones!!! Do I have to update WINAMP software every month? I have three computers that I have to update: work, laptop, home. And they change the location of some of the Media Player Links! I have to keep looking for where they placed the bookmarks link. I've been using winamp for almost 10 years now, and I may be forced to switch to Windows Media player of iTunes because of such selfish update issues. Programs should work seamlessly.

24th June 2006, 20:40	#2
mikm Major Dude Join Date: May 2001 Location: 2001:4978:20f::/48 Posts: 1,244	Those selfish developers! How dare they fix bugs! Nobody is forcing you to upgrade minor versions unless you're affected by some issue. You can turn off the notificaiton if you want (I'll let you figure that out). powered by Câ‚‚Hâ‚…OH \| eff \| aclu

25th June 2006, 01:49	#8
Too-DAMN-Much The Big Bad Boots (Forum King) Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 420 Big Buds Way Posts: 3,951	guys... why not implement an updater "function" like those used in antivirus software, nothing resident, just a "check updates" button, that doesn't require redownloading the whole player. now that said, i'm DEFINETLY not siding with this idiot. I hate everyone, so you don't have to.

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24th June 2006, 20:44	#3
illness01 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 3	Major bug fixes are one thing. Feature changes are another.

24th June 2006, 22:49	#5
DrO - Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 22,278	and then when there aren't updates to projects people moan. it's a loose loose situation and frankly it pisses me off since from a developer's view point at times you can never win. as for the 'frequent' releases, it's not like you're downloading almost all of the internal dev builds so one every month or so is reasonable i think for such an app. and holding back and doing one release with everything done in one go is in fact a bad idea since you then have more to verify in one go which is a right pain to do. small frequent updates allow for changes, etc to be verified better. also considering a number of the internal changes that have and are still to be made (like making more of the player unicode compatible to keep the countless number of other users happy) then that needs to be spread out over time with parts updated in stages and then verified. also having to download once a month or so isn't all that bad, it's not like you've got the potential of however many projects no longer working with a newer version of winamp as i have to deal with (5.22 broke a number which i've still to fix) so really on that count with the time and effort i need to put into researching the issues, finding out the location(s) in the plugin at fault, implementing the fix and then verifying the fix is correct for both new and older versions of winamp, really i should start sueing them for the time i've lost against other things. basically no one is forcing you to update so it's really down to your own personal internet habits to decide what and when you download/install/update/etc now isn't it? -daz

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25th June 2006, 07:53	#9
DrO - Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 22,278	Too-DAMN-Much: it's been talked about before, the main issue is that due to the way in which certain updates are carried out, trying to do tech support on multi version instances with different dlls would make it hard to work out what the problem could be. maybe it'll happen one day but it's not a definite. i feel so relaxed after my earlier rant here -daz

25th June 2006, 12:05	#10
zootm Forum King Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: the nether reaches of bonnie scotland Posts: 13,378	Doing diff updates is a lot more complex, for little benefit. Might be possible to do that sort of thing using a Subversion-based (or some other version control with binary versioning-based) update system, but the extra strain on the server would probably make it impractical.

10th July 2006, 03:24	#12
illness01 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 3	Yeah yeah, I'm crying. It is called "The Bitchlist" for a reason though. Anyway, I understand that updates (bug fixes) are good and all, but stuff like rearranging where the bookmarks link is in the media library and changing the way the radio search engine works are NOT. With each update, I need to figure out where things were relocated. Why not make one large update so we can learn all the changes at once? Or at least have a beta version where people who love to update can test them out first before releasing the final version. I understand that there's a lot of people who use all the features of winamp, but there's a lot of people like me who just want to open up the damn thing and listen to music. Most of you (forum users) aren't like me. For example, I hate the new radio search engine design. Are the developers going to find a new way to search for radio links and then make a new change AGAIN? And from a developer's point of view, frequent updates may be better. But a good program doesn't program from the developer's point of view. It's from the point of view of the users. This is exactly why Linux will never become popular. Too many developers don't understand the mass audience which include grandmas and 5 year old kids. Not everyone's a teenager/pre-adult who knows how to code. Just my thought. Yeah yeah, wah, wah I'm ranting cuz I hate microsoft and will probably be using their media player soon.