New Visualizer

[ASD5A]

Originally posted by PAK-9
I doubt they make much money selling visualisations like that (not that I would really know) bla bla bla

btw: if i remember correctly microsoft used g-force for the xbox, so i assume the company made good money with the license

[Yathosho]

itunes uses g-force

[kostyap]

Originally posted by ASD5A
btw: if i remember correctly microsoft used g-force for the xbox, so i assume the company made good money with the license

XBox uses Neon vsualizer made by llamasoft. Windows Media Player and Itunes use G-Force

[PAK-9]

So the sales team at G-Force got their software bundled with WMP, the default player shipped with Windows, and iTunes, the default player shipped with macs or bundled with iPods. Two media players that by their ancillary nature have almost no requirement to be any good, and by extension (if not more so) their visualisations.

Congratulations to their sales team for some good business sense but its hardly the voice of the consumer. The customers they get to their website are almost certainly ignorant users of WMP and iTunes who are unaware that other media players exist let alone other vis's. It might as well be a captive market since the customers are trapped in a padded cell of their own stupidity.

I conceed that within the original context of the discussion, yes, G-Force has probably made lots of money for the company; but not through any particular virtues of the visualisation software.

Maybe I'm wrong about the home vis market, dunno.

Originally posted by jheriko
I'm just bitter because nobody has done very much about Fridge and I don't have the time to spend writing much for it... makes me wish I hadn't wasted so much time when I wasn't working...

So you're bitter that everyone else has the same attitude towards fridge as you?

[kostyap]

Originally posted by PAK-9
The customers they get to their website are almost certainly ignorant users of WMP and iTunes who are unaware that other media players exist let alone other vis's.

I think that there is an attitude in here. It may be difficult to talk to people that call their potential customers ignorant. I suspect it could be the other way around. And I am pretty sure that many home users tried Winamp with Milkdrop for example. Many of my friends do use Winamp. They usually run Milkdrop though rather then AVS. When I asked them why they told that in their opinion Milkdrop looks better and has authors that produce better looking presets.

[jheriko]

Originally posted by PAK-9
So you're bitter that everyone else has the same attitude towards fridge as you?

My attitude is slightly different. I've written *some* code for it over the past year or whatever...

[PAK-9]

Originally posted by kostyap
I think that there is an attitude in here. It may be difficult to talk to people that call their potential customers ignorant...

They aren't my "potential customers", I have no interest in selling visualisations to the public; I'm just presenting my take on the market and that product in particular. If I was interested in selling visualisations it would be in the customisable visualisation vein which would be pitched at a slightly different market. I can imagine producing visualisations for the commercial sector as being fairly interesting on the other hand (which I sort of gathered you are associated with in some way).

Originally posted by kostyap
...I suspect it could be the other way around...

Sure, I'm fairly ignorant about the music visualisation market; I dont pretend to be an expert.

Originally posted by kostyap
And I am pretty sure that many home users tried Winamp with Milkdrop for example. Many of my friends do use Winamp. They usually run Milkdrop though rather then AVS. When I asked them why they told that in their opinion Milkdrop looks better and has authors that produce better looking presets.

As I stated before, most people use AVS purely for the customisation and community; Milkdrop is superior to AVS in many ways for the sitting-and-watching visualisation user. The AVS/MD comparison isnt really relevant to my comment about ignorant G-Force users though because those people have actively chosen a particular vis instead of just lumping one they got by default.

[kostyap]

Originally posted by PAK-9
(which I sort of gathered you are associated with in some way).

That's correct

[Rovastar]

I wasn't going to get into this discussion but I just wanted to put a few things straight.

iTunes uses a really old version of G-Force as their visualiser. It has been there for many years 4+.

WMP use their own inhouse ones (at the moment anyhow) from mostly years and years ago. Andy/Soundspectrum/G-Force did not do anything for WMP player. (Although they did do something for Media Centre.)
Besides G-Force would not meet their strict technical requirements for visualziation products within WMP (or the XBOX360 for that matter)

Originally posted by PAK-9
Sure, I'm fairly ignorant about the music visualisation market; I dont pretend to be an expert.

Don't worry about it most people are not and least you don't pretend to be an expert.

[kostyap]

Originally posted by Rovastar
I wasn't going to get into this discussion

Here comes guru. Hi Rova. How it's going? Looking forward for new presets from you for R4 or whatever else you use.

[MaTTFURY]

I downloaded it aswell, I think this a very boring program without any usable options, at least if you're going to develop something, give it more than preset changes that actually change..

[kostyap]

Originally posted by MaTTFURY
I downloaded it aswell, I think this a very boring program without any usable options, at least if you're going to develop something, give it more than preset changes that actually change..

If it is boring because you can not write presets yourself it is fixable if enough people show interest. If you find that the concept of how images are created is boring then we just have different ideas and there is nothing I can do about it. You have plenty of alternatives

[MaTTFURY]

I think plenty of people are showing interest *hint*...

[kostyap]

Originally posted by MaTTFURY
I think plenty of people are showing interest *hint*...

Really? I must've missed something or misinterpreted. Did you personally find it boring because it does not offer preset writing interface or because you just simply did not like the concept? In any way I am contemplating release that will let people write presets. It'll take me 1 to 3 month depending on how much of my time my other commitments will take away.

[MaTTFURY]

Boring if its not user interfacable, i.e. you can't do anything with it and I'm happy that you've taken an interest to make something useful of your knowledgable programming skills.