I've got ADSL.....

...so what's the realistic quality, amount and stuff I can get on my radio station?

First you have to get their damn server working and get listed on the Shoutcast Directory listing. And that my friend is the real problem - no one seems willing to help. All I ever see around here is "RTFM" or "It's in the online DOCs". What a joke. I have DSL, and I have everything working on my end - but the damn stupid Shoutcast directory server will not list me no matter what ideas I have come up with. And no one is willing to help around here.

So my friend my advice to you is forget about it. You'll never get listed on Shoutcast.. Not until they make a better more "user friendly" server rather than this DOS crap..

[JavaJones]

First of all, PJ: get over it. Some people are having the problem, others are not. Secondly many of the solutions to people's problems ARE listed in the FAQ's, etc. That's what they're there for. Third the enhanced security is for all of our benefit as well as theirs (they have to worry about being hacked too). They do a damn good job, especially considering this is a free product we all enjoy. Now, to answer the original question: I too am on DSL and I tend to run about 24/22 mono or so, that's so I can serve around 5 users. When you're selecting the bitrate in the DSP plugin, it tells you what outgoing bandwidth the stream will consume. Assuming the server you are streaming to is on your machine as well, then each stream (each connected client) will take up that ammount of bandwidth. As I recall the 24/22 mono setup I use takes about 3k/s of bandwidth. Since I have average ADSL which is 1/5mbits/s incoming, but only 128kbits/s outgoing, I am limited to around 15k/s outgoing (approximate math 8 bits to a byte, divide 128,000 bits per second by 8 bytes = 16,000 bytes per second. allow some room for overhead, you have 15k/s). This equals around 5 users at 3k/s or 24kbits/s 22khz mono. I've been told this is between FM and AM radio quality, and from what I've heard it doesn't sound too bad. Assuming your outgoing connection speed is the same as mine, there's your answer. Personally I don't consider less than 5 users to be reasonable, so that's why I use a low bandwidth stream. There are also other options to run more users or higher bandwidth, but it helps if you have some "connections" with people. If you know someone with a higher outgoing bandwidth connection (Symetric DSL, T1, T3, etc.) you can have them run a server for you and just stream to them. Or you could use a service like live365.com. Check 'em out, they might be of use. Hope that has answered at least a part of your question.

PJ - I don't actually want to be listed, the station is for a select few, but thanks anyway.
JavaJones - I've got this ADSL connection and I can only have 5 people?? Aww!! So if someone else hosts the server it can goto them? What's the time for this? Milliseconds to do the process?

Hmm not related to the thread but something that interests me about those numbers, I am on cable (which I am told is only 128kbit/s up too) but I have comfortably handled 17 listeners streaming 56kbs 24kHz Stereo @ 7Kb/s on it. How is that possible?

And... I also run a LB version on the same net connection which was serving 4 listeners 24kbs 11Khz @ 3Kb/s at the same time.
That means I must have WAY more than 128Kbit/s Upstream.. Can anyone clarify this?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JavaJones:
First of all, PJ: get over it. Some people are having the problem, others are not. Secondly many of the solutions to people's problems ARE listed in the FAQ's, etc. That's what they're there for. Third the enhanced security is for all of our benefit as well as theirs (they have to worry about being hacked too). They do a damn good job, especially considering this is a free product we all enjoy. Now, to answer the original question: I too am on DSL and I tend to run about 24/22 mono or so, that's so I can serve around 5 users. When you're selecting the bitrate in the DSP plugin, it tells you what outgoing bandwidth the stream will consume. Assuming the server you are streaming to is on your machine as well, then each stream (each connected client) will take up that ammount of bandwidth. As I recall the 24/22 mono setup I use takes about 3k/s of bandwidth. Since I have average ADSL which is 1/5mbits/s incoming, but only 128kbits/s outgoing, I am limited to around 15k/s outgoing (approximate math 8 bits to a byte, divide 128,000 bits per second by 8 bytes = 16,000 bytes per second. allow some room for overhead, you have 15k/s). This equals around 5 users at 3k/s or 24kbits/s 22khz mono. I've been told this is between FM and AM radio quality, and from what I've heard it doesn't sound too bad. Assuming your outgoing connection speed is the same as mine, there's your answer. Personally I don't consider less than 5 users to be reasonable, so that's why I use a low bandwidth stream. There are also other options to run more users or higher bandwidth, but it helps if you have some "connections" with people. If you know someone with a higher outgoing bandwidth connection (Symetric DSL, T1, T3, etc.) you can have them run a server for you and just stream to them. Or you could use a service like live365.com. Check 'em out, they might be of use. Hope that has answered at least a part of your question.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[ThunderWalker]

JavaJones is right. Here is a message I posted earlier to help people determine maximum users:

ThunderWalker
Junior Member posted June 24, 2000 09:56 PM
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The following is a copy of a message I posted earlier this month. I hope this helps you out. Since you are using a cable modem your case would be a maximum upload speed of 128kbps. Ill let you do the math

ThunderWalker
Junior Member posted June 20, 2000 09:25 PM
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Most internet connections (especially modems)are unable to transfer at their maximum rate except in bursts. If you insist on hosting a Shout server on a 56k connection, here is a good way to calculate user load. This can be applied to any connection but I will use the 56k modem as the example. First, your 56k modem is not really 56k. The maximum allowed transfer rate is about 53k but that is for download. Upload speed on a 56k modem is 33.6k which is your maximum output. Your overall loss in transfer speed should be figured at at least 20%. 33.6k X 20% = 6.72k loss when subtracted from the original leaves you 26.88kbs. Now convert this number from bits per second to bytes per second. 1 byte=8 bits so 26.88k / 8 = 3.36kBytes per second. Your selection of 32kbs @ 16kHz requires 4kBytes per second transfer rate which more than maxes out your connection with one person. It might do well to find someone who will let you use their Shoutcast server if you wish to host more people. The other option at your disposal is to get a broadband internet connection. I hope this helps you and other people out choose the maximum number of users they can safely host.

[stoicite]

i'm with you Xiaos. I have RoadRunner cable but i've noticed i have a 1.5mb/512k rather than the standard 128. I comfortably host 8 users (so i have bandwidth for me hehe) and relay the rest to live365. I broadcast at 56kbps/22khz and it has a great sound. I suppose if I wanted more listeners a i could cut the bps, but i really like the sound of 56kbps vs. 16kbps

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Xiaos, I'm on RoadRunner and this morning i was running 18/20 @ 20kbps (18*20=360 didn't get up to 20 so i dun no if it will push 400kbps).. I normally run 24kbps @ 15 listeners ~ 360kbps

why do i seem to do better with classical music? go fig :\

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