WASAPI Output Plugin 'Maiko' (VISTA & later only) - Page 4

kerimcem · 10th March 2011, 10:44

s.mode no problem
e.mode yes dont work (unable to set e.m no faulire )

thanks silver.

SilverBird775 · 10th March 2011, 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerimcem

e.mode yes dont work (unable to set e.m no faulire )

Ah ha ha. Looks like fun combination, failed because everything OK! Will PM you later.

ryerman · 13th March 2011, 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

...Would be interesting to know the gapless test results on latest build...

I installed v023.3 and performed a stress test as you described. (created 1 sec MP3 by cutting 1 random second from some random audio file).
It played again and again for 25 minutes and never triggered a Maiko error. When I tried the same test with a normal file, I got the "open:Failed to stop!!!" error.
Later, I enqueued my usual playlist and soon got the attached errors.

Maybe the stress test is not as stressful as you hoped!

Hope this feedback helps,

Jim

SilverBird775 · 14th March 2011, 04:23

ryerman,
No, the stress test works fine and revealing the unpleasant picture on some drivers quality. It's getting a bit clearer from one stress test to another. Kernel level plugins is never a piece of cake.

Gapless test updated.

This is absolutely normal plugin version but it was tweaked a bit to always emulate the worst case gapless transition. It is forced to actually stop playback before opening a new file.

kerimcem · 14th March 2011, 11:08

23.4 s.mode works well and high buffer ..
thanks.

kerimcem · 20th March 2011, 10:56

v.24 update..
nice tray icon..s.mode works well.

SilverBird775 · 21st March 2011, 14:08

0.25
The feature i dreamed for so long, the plugin now preserve the individual volume level for each device!

Just a word of warning, do not trash your winamp\plugins directory with a lot of output plugins, especially kernel mode ones, especially WASAPI. They would fight each other pretty bad! The winamp does not isolating them, every plugin may keep working even when not selected! For example, the feature introduced today linking hard the windows mixer volume with winamp core volume. Another kernel mode plugin may cause a lot of mess!

kerimcem · 21st March 2011, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

0.25
The feature i dreamed for so long, the plugin now preserve the individual volume level for each device!

Just a word of warning, do not trash your winamp\plugins directory with a lot of output plugins, especially kernel mode ones, especially WASAPI. They would fight each other pretty bad! The winamp does not isolating them, every plugin may keep working even when not selected! For example, the feature introduced today linking hard the windows mixer volume with winamp core volume. Another kernel mode plugin may cause a lot of mess!

thanks silver..
v.25 bug
Winamp does not open winamp dont work

win7sp1+winamp 5.6

SilverBird775 · 21st March 2011, 14:32

Any message? Does it say something? Do any window/icon pop up?

DrO · 21st March 2011, 14:32

it's trying to access something from comctl32.dll that at least my Win7 x64 install isn't able to find (ordinal 380 - not listed with a function name in Dependency Walker).

-daz

SilverBird775 · 21st March 2011, 15:00

Awww.. great! Can't believe it does not work for Win7! The Microsoft manifests strikes again

!
Well.. redownload please, updated the manifest. I just can't believe the comctl32.dll is newer on Vista but not on Win7 :-/

kerimcem · 21st March 2011, 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

Awww.. great! Can't believe it does not work for Win7! The Microsoft manifests strikes again

!
Well.. redownload please, updated the manifest. I just can't believe the comctl32.dll is newer on Vista but not on Win7 :-/

sorry I tried
winamp not opening no popup
V.24 winamp opens
Winamp 5.61 Build 3133+win7sp1x86

DrO · 21st March 2011, 15:24

the newer version now loads in 5.61 for me.

btw, from a ui thing, the config dialog doesn't allow tabbing between controls and for some reason you've got a 'plugin' tab which isn't in the correct dialog font and otherwise looks out of place (unless you're doing it as a property sheet, if so then a tab dialog theming is needed on the child page -> IPC_USE_UXTHEME_FUNC from wa_ipc.h will do that for you).

have attached a mini screenshot of what i'm seeing, especially where the body below the tab isn't white(ish) as per the parent tab.

-daz

SilverBird775 · 21st March 2011, 20:56

Yeah.. tabbing. Plain can't get it to work. Most controls is not inluded in release and resources messed up a lot. Something gets a little ordered but new experimental stuff does not let to sort out most things.

Kerimcem, try this one. Hope it helps.

kerimcem · 21st March 2011, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

Yeah.. tabbing. Plain can't get it to work. Most controls is not inluded in release and resources messed up a lot. Something gets a little ordered but new experimental stuff does not let to sort out most things.

Kerimcem, try this one. Hope it helps.

no change

winamp not opening..

SilverBird775 · 21st March 2011, 21:16

Are you sure replaced the plugin not renamed?

kerimcem · 21st March 2011, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

Are you sure replaced the plugin not renamed?

replaced no renamed..only maiko as output in plugins folder..

SilverBird775 · 22nd March 2011, 12:01

please try again

kerimcem · 22nd March 2011, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

please try again

i tried on 3 pc's win7 sp1 x86 winamp not opening

no change

maiko md5 10D8E398432C6101FF6997E1A61DE417

SilverBird775 · 22nd March 2011, 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerimcem

i tried on 3 pc's win7 sp1 x86 winamp not opening

The problem is fixable, i'm sure. We know already the plugin loading and passing by the most critical points. It may hang on some system call within a new traybar code.

I'll PM (PrivateMessaging) you later when get home, it will take 8 hours or more.

kerimcem · 22nd March 2011, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

The problem is fixable, i'm sure. We know already the plugin loading and passing by the most critical points. It may hang on some system call within a new traybar code.

I'll PM (PrivateMessaging) you later when get home, it will take 8 hours or more.

ok. thanks.waiting.

SilverBird775 · 22nd March 2011, 21:25

0.26

Okay, had incomplete device name parser. It did not work correct when default device was selected. Thanks goes to kerimcem for helping to figure out the problem.

kerimcem · 22nd March 2011, 21:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

0.26

Okay, had incomplete device name parser. It did not work correct when default device was selected. Thanks goes to kerimcem for helping to figure out the problem.

thanks silver..v.26 no problem.works well..

k_withnail · 10th April 2011, 19:56

Just tried installing it with no joy - either it plays the same as directsound, ie non-exclusive, or when you try exclusive mode I get "unable to set exclusive mode. audclnt_e_endpoint_create_failed". I'm using the HMDI output of an ATI video card. When I then try playback I get a "you should not ever see this!" error. Is it likely to work on my system? Am using win7x64 btw.
Thanks

SilverBird775 · 11th April 2011, 08:00

This can occur if the audio endpoint device has been unplugged, or the audio hardware or associated hardware resources have been reconfigured, disabled, removed, or otherwise made unavailable for use.
Does any of Exclusive WASAPI players works with your card? Also, please post your Status log from Maiko Output settings.

audioamper · 16th April 2011, 16:26

Is there a problem with your website? Hope everything is ok and you are able to continue developing this great plugin.

SilverBird775 · 16th April 2011, 21:51

Probably you just hit the page right at update roll up point. Please try again.
0.29
Also, the hoster had a lot of server maintenance procedures lately so it may be a little faulty.

Can you be more specific which mirror does not work for you?

audioamper · 17th April 2011, 17:00

Still can't get in:

Quote:

Not Found

The requested URL /cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.2.15 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.15 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_mono/2.6 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.2.13 Server at maiko.elementfx.com Port 80

update: Internet Explorer 9 works, Firefox 4 displays the above message.

SilverBird775 · 17th April 2011, 18:07

Please clear your browser cache.

It seems the Firefox stuck with some half-way transition default site stub and unable to properly redirect to index.htm anymore. This sort of sticky error on Firefox, cleaning up the associated resource web-cache should help.

audioamper · 17th April 2011, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

Please clear your browser cache. It seems the Firefox stuck with some half-way transition default site stub and unable to properly redirect to index.htm anymore. This sort of sticky error on Firefox, cleaning up the associated resource web-cache should help.

Thanks, it's ok now.

k_withnail · 17th April 2011, 19:11

OK, I installed the Realtek driver and it does at least play audio now. But I can't get it to output anything except the chosen shared mode bitrate (24/192 in my case), nor will it accept that my 16bit files are 16bit - this is a typical status log when playing a 16/44.1 track:

Input stream:
24 bit PCM encoding in 2.0 (Stereo) setup. 44100Hz rate
MAIKO buffer/latency: 3775 samples (85601 µs)

Output stream:
24 bit (32bit padded) PCM encoding in 2.0 (Stereo) setup. 192000Hz rate
Client buffer: 92160 samples (480000 µs)
Client latency: 10000 µs
Mixer scheduling period (latency): 10000 µs
Minimum device period (latency): 3000 µs

Exclusive mode renderer
Data route: Maiko mixer

Plugin latency reported to Winamp: 480 ms
Peak output loudness detected: 1.110876 db - OVERLOAD

k_withnail · 17th April 2011, 19:13

Sorry, a clarification: it believes that FLAC files are 16bit when they are, but mp3s are all coming up as 24bit.

SilverBird775 · 17th April 2011, 19:52

If it is actually playing i see no problem then.

As i have told someone,
I'm considering it <chosen shared mode> to be the most safe value because it was selected by user himself. I'm using it because i have to use some constant, the plugin designed the way to work on constant output format to be always gapless which is not a native feature of winamp. Exclusive mode is only 1.5 month old and i gave it a try over existing shared mode optimized designs. I do not have much resources to speed up the development so i'm taking a most risk-free steps. Tiny steps. I'm not cheating on user either, As the homepage say, i do not have a real bit-copy bypass, the only thing bypassed is windows mixer, no cheating. So far the format mediator works at full. It analize the user selected mode, the file format and takes the processing route it think is optimal. The plugin is self-optimizing so it hardly doing anything extra.

I have a plans to make a switches to help user to override a certain exclusive mode processing decisions so you would be able to enforce a certain mediator decisions for the file format favor, not both file and device.

Well, for mp3's is better to keep their 24 bit decoding. It's more precise i believe.

k_withnail · 17th April 2011, 19:57

No, it IS a problem. I don't want 44.1 files to be output at 192 because 192 divided by 44.1 is not an integer. That's the whole point of the plugin, surely - to directly pass music to the card, in the format it is recorded in??

SilverBird775 · 17th April 2011, 20:24

Yes, there is a problem then, because i'm not so enthusiastic about direct pass. On a certain development point the direct-pass would appear, just as a very special case to the much more common concept. This project is a direct sound plugin replacement on Vista\Win7, not just bit-copy plugin. "Turn on and forget" workstyle, really winamp-alike.

But hey. It does not mean i'm not listening to you guys, i'm working towards bit-copy and never give up on processing quality.

sullysnet · 23rd April 2011, 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBird775

Yes, there is a problem then, because i'm not so enthusiastic about direct pass. On a certain development point the direct-pass would appear, just as a very special case to the much more common concept. This project is a direct sound plugin replacement on Vista\Win7, not just bit-copy plugin. "Turn on and forget" workstyle, really winamp-alike.

But hey. It does not mean i'm not listening to you guys, i'm working towards bit-copy and never give up on processing quality.

thanks

I am glad that you keep on working on this

audioamper · 17th May 2011, 15:27

Is there a problem with small mono files? Tried an mp3 file (32 Kbps-136KB-34sec.) and a FLAC (53 Kbps-45KB-7sec.). Both are 8kHz mono. Winamp won't start playback with MAIKO shared/exclusive. Dsound works ok.

SilverBird775 · 18th May 2011, 22:50

Right, that can be considered a problem. It did not start because it required bigger buffer then default one to play.

Will fix it to play for sure on default buffer.

Next release June 5. There would be the new control panel page unlocked so don't miss it

kerimcem · 7th June 2011, 09:48

[2011 06 05][v 0.30]
+ Control panel (CP) update.
+ Vista+ specific Playback thread boost.
* 8khz sound stalled on default buffer.

thanks.

audioamper · 7th June 2011, 10:15

Thanks, works great.

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10th March 2011, 10:44	#121
kerimcem Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 70	s.mode no problem e.mode yes dont work (unable to set e.m no faulire ) thanks silver.

14th March 2011, 04:23	#124
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	ryerman, No, the stress test works fine and revealing the unpleasant picture on some drivers quality. It's getting a bit clearer from one stress test to another. Kernel level plugins is never a piece of cake. Gapless test updated. This is absolutely normal plugin version but it was tweaked a bit to always emulate the worst case gapless transition. It is forced to actually stop playback before opening a new file.

14th March 2011, 11:08	#125
kerimcem Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 70	23.4 s.mode works well and high buffer .. thanks.

20th March 2011, 10:56	#126
kerimcem Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 70	v.24 update.. nice tray icon..s.mode works well.

21st March 2011, 14:08	#127
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	0.25 The feature i dreamed for so long, the plugin now preserve the individual volume level for each device! Just a word of warning, do not trash your winamp\plugins directory with a lot of output plugins, especially kernel mode ones, especially WASAPI. They would fight each other pretty bad! The winamp does not isolating them, every plugin may keep working even when not selected! For example, the feature introduced today linking hard the windows mixer volume with winamp core volume. Another kernel mode plugin may cause a lot of mess!

21st March 2011, 14:32	#129
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Any message? Does it say something? Do any window/icon pop up?

21st March 2011, 14:32	#130
DrO - Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 22,226	it's trying to access something from comctl32.dll that at least my Win7 x64 install isn't able to find (ordinal 380 - not listed with a function name in Dependency Walker). -daz

21st March 2011, 15:00	#131
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Awww.. great! Can't believe it does not work for Win7! The Microsoft manifests strikes again ! Well.. redownload please, updated the manifest. I just can't believe the comctl32.dll is newer on Vista but not on Win7 :-/

21st March 2011, 15:24	#133
DrO - Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 22,226	the newer version now loads in 5.61 for me. btw, from a ui thing, the config dialog doesn't allow tabbing between controls and for some reason you've got a 'plugin' tab which isn't in the correct dialog font and otherwise looks out of place (unless you're doing it as a property sheet, if so then a tab dialog theming is needed on the child page -> IPC_USE_UXTHEME_FUNC from wa_ipc.h will do that for you). have attached a mini screenshot of what i'm seeing, especially where the body below the tab isn't white(ish) as per the parent tab. -daz

21st March 2011, 20:56	#134
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Yeah.. tabbing. Plain can't get it to work. Most controls is not inluded in release and resources messed up a lot. Something gets a little ordered but new experimental stuff does not let to sort out most things. Kerimcem, try this one. Hope it helps.

21st March 2011, 21:16	#136
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Are you sure replaced the plugin not renamed?

22nd March 2011, 12:01	#138
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	please try again

22nd March 2011, 21:25	#142
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	0.26 Okay, had incomplete device name parser. It did not work correct when default device was selected. Thanks goes to kerimcem for helping to figure out the problem.

10th April 2011, 19:56	#144
k_withnail Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	Just tried installing it with no joy - either it plays the same as directsound, ie non-exclusive, or when you try exclusive mode I get "unable to set exclusive mode. audclnt_e_endpoint_create_failed". I'm using the HMDI output of an ATI video card. When I then try playback I get a "you should not ever see this!" error. Is it likely to work on my system? Am using win7x64 btw. Thanks

11th April 2011, 08:00	#145
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	This can occur if the audio endpoint device has been unplugged, or the audio hardware or associated hardware resources have been reconfigured, disabled, removed, or otherwise made unavailable for use. Does any of Exclusive WASAPI players works with your card? Also, please post your Status log from Maiko Output settings.

16th April 2011, 16:26	#146
audioamper Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 25	Is there a problem with your website? Hope everything is ok and you are able to continue developing this great plugin.

16th April 2011, 21:51	#147
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Probably you just hit the page right at update roll up point. Please try again. 0.29 Also, the hoster had a lot of server maintenance procedures lately so it may be a little faulty. Can you be more specific which mirror does not work for you?

17th April 2011, 18:07	#149
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Please clear your browser cache. It seems the Firefox stuck with some half-way transition default site stub and unable to properly redirect to index.htm anymore. This sort of sticky error on Firefox, cleaning up the associated resource web-cache should help.

17th April 2011, 19:11	#151
k_withnail Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	OK, I installed the Realtek driver and it does at least play audio now. But I can't get it to output anything except the chosen shared mode bitrate (24/192 in my case), nor will it accept that my 16bit files are 16bit - this is a typical status log when playing a 16/44.1 track: Input stream: 24 bit PCM encoding in 2.0 (Stereo) setup. 44100Hz rate MAIKO buffer/latency: 3775 samples (85601 µs) Output stream: 24 bit (32bit padded) PCM encoding in 2.0 (Stereo) setup. 192000Hz rate Client buffer: 92160 samples (480000 µs) Client latency: 10000 µs Mixer scheduling period (latency): 10000 µs Minimum device period (latency): 3000 µs Exclusive mode renderer Data route: Maiko mixer Plugin latency reported to Winamp: 480 ms Peak output loudness detected: 1.110876 db - OVERLOAD

17th April 2011, 19:13	#152
k_withnail Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	Sorry, a clarification: it believes that FLAC files are 16bit when they are, but mp3s are all coming up as 24bit.

17th April 2011, 19:52	#153
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	If it is actually playing i see no problem then. As i have told someone, I'm considering it <chosen shared mode> to be the most safe value because it was selected by user himself. I'm using it because i have to use some constant, the plugin designed the way to work on constant output format to be always gapless which is not a native feature of winamp. Exclusive mode is only 1.5 month old and i gave it a try over existing shared mode optimized designs. I do not have much resources to speed up the development so i'm taking a most risk-free steps. Tiny steps. I'm not cheating on user either, As the homepage say, i do not have a real bit-copy bypass, the only thing bypassed is windows mixer, no cheating. So far the format mediator works at full. It analize the user selected mode, the file format and takes the processing route it think is optimal. The plugin is self-optimizing so it hardly doing anything extra. I have a plans to make a switches to help user to override a certain exclusive mode processing decisions so you would be able to enforce a certain mediator decisions for the file format favor, not both file and device. Well, for mp3's is better to keep their 24 bit decoding. It's more precise i believe.

17th April 2011, 19:57	#154
k_withnail Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	No, it IS a problem. I don't want 44.1 files to be output at 192 because 192 divided by 44.1 is not an integer. That's the whole point of the plugin, surely - to directly pass music to the card, in the format it is recorded in??

17th April 2011, 20:24	#155
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Yes, there is a problem then, because i'm not so enthusiastic about direct pass. On a certain development point the direct-pass would appear, just as a very special case to the much more common concept. This project is a direct sound plugin replacement on Vista\Win7, not just bit-copy plugin. "Turn on and forget" workstyle, really winamp-alike. But hey. It does not mean i'm not listening to you guys, i'm working towards bit-copy and never give up on processing quality.

17th May 2011, 15:27	#157
audioamper Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 25	Is there a problem with small mono files? Tried an mp3 file (32 Kbps-136KB-34sec.) and a FLAC (53 Kbps-45KB-7sec.). Both are 8kHz mono. Winamp won't start playback with MAIKO shared/exclusive. Dsound works ok.

18th May 2011, 22:50	#158
SilverBird775 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 237	Right, that can be considered a problem. It did not start because it required bigger buffer then default one to play. Will fix it to play for sure on default buffer. Next release June 5. There would be the new control panel page unlocked so don't miss it

7th June 2011, 09:48	#159
kerimcem Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 70	[2011 06 05][v 0.30] + Control panel (CP) update. + Vista+ specific Playback thread boost. * 8khz sound stalled on default buffer. thanks.

7th June 2011, 10:15	#160
audioamper Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 25	Thanks, works great.