Obama forces Catholic Church to pay for abortions - Page 2

Smelter · 13th February 2012, 07:13

You guys are all slow... OBama reversed his decision . Go to bed now...

rockouthippie · 13th February 2012, 08:02

It's just this sort of accounting that makes America great. Abortion pills.... let's just get out the eraser here..... and voila...... we got Catholics not paying for them. It's a "free" service courtesy of your insurance company.

Oh brother.

ujay · 13th February 2012, 14:53

Hi thinktink

"A device, drug, or chemical agent that prevents conception."

Are you sure you are not confusing conception with fertilization here.

The old methods - condoms, withdrawl, etc. 'worked' by preventing fertilization.
Later methods - IUDs, The Pill etc. prevented the egg being implanted in the womb.
I understood the morning after pill worked in the same way.

So I guess it depends on whether these pills act before or after the egg is implanted.

UJ

thinktink · 13th February 2012, 18:48

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Originally Posted by ujay

Are you sure you are not confusing conception with fertilization here.

There's nothing to confuse. Conception is fertilization:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conception

Quote:

Originally Posted by ujay

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I understood the morning after pill worked in the same way.

No, that's not what RU-486 is indicated for:

Medical termination of intrauterine pregnancies of up to 49 days gestation (up to 63 days gestation in Britain and Sweden)
Softening and dilatation of the cervix prior to mechanical cervical dilatation for pregnancy termination
Use in combination with gemeprost for termination of pregnancies between 13 and 24 weeks gestation
Labor induction in fetal death in utero.

If RU486 fails to prevent conception, which can happen, (as in the drug was not administered early enough to prevent ovulation (as is usually the case with "emergency contraception")) then it acts as an abortifacient ("An abortifacient is a substance that induces abortion") (which is actually it's primary function) after conception.

Other drugs are administered to prevent ovulation. It's true that RU-486 can prevent ovulation but that is not what it's prescribed/indicated for. If you go to a doctor to prevent ovulation he doesn't hand over a prescription for RU-486. He hands you a prescription for something else (unless you're a guy, then he might just stare at you funny.)

Well, I'm not a doctor so I can't say definitively that a doctor won't hand you RU-486 to prevent ovulation/conception but all the information I've read so far doesn't indicate that's what it's used for.

rockouthippie · 14th February 2012, 03:17

If you haven't ovulated, it prevents that. If you are pregnant, it's an abortifacient.

"Emergency contraception" isn't that much of an emergency, because you can be 2 months (in Europe 3 months) pregnant and cause an abortion with RU486.

The press - If you want to accuse religious people of being crackpots, why are you hiding the real facts with a euphemism?

Why can't we just say "abortion pill" out loud? Didn't sound very good did it?

Mr Jones · 14th February 2012, 07:55

This thread went beyond the realms of tolerance on the previous page, apologies for the delay in locking it up.

Keep the tone civil in future, a fresh reminder of acceptable ways to behave can be found at the head of each forum, my suggestion would be to re-read them.

13th February 2012, 07:13	#41
Smelter Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,088	You guys are all slow... OBama reversed his decision . Go to bed now... thebitstream.com

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rockouthippie Forum King Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 10,578	It's just this sort of accounting that makes America great. Abortion pills.... let's just get out the eraser here..... and voila...... we got Catholics not paying for them. It's a "free" service courtesy of your insurance company. Oh brother. Global Movies and TV God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to hide the bodies of people who pissed me off.

14th February 2012, 03:17	#45
rockouthippie Forum King Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 10,578	If you haven't ovulated, it prevents that. If you are pregnant, it's an abortifacient. "Emergency contraception" isn't that much of an emergency, because you can be 2 months (in Europe 3 months) pregnant and cause an abortion with RU486. The press - If you want to accuse religious people of being crackpots, why are you hiding the real facts with a euphemism? Why can't we just say "abortion pill" out loud? Didn't sound very good did it? Global Movies and TV God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to hide the bodies of people who pissed me off.

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13th February 2012, 14:53	#43
ujay Forum King Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London Posts: 5,986	Hi thinktink *"A device, drug, or chemical agent that prevents conception."* Are you sure you are not confusing conception with fertilization here. The old methods - condoms, withdrawl, etc. 'worked' by preventing fertilization. Later methods - IUDs, The Pill etc. prevented the egg being implanted in the womb. I understood the morning after pill worked in the same way. So I guess it depends on whether these pills act before or after the egg is implanted. UJ

14th February 2012, 07:55	#46
Mr Jones Nothing to say... Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: UK Posts: 23,020	This thread went beyond the realms of tolerance on the previous page, apologies for the delay in locking it up. Keep the tone civil in future, a fresh reminder of acceptable ways to behave can be found at the head of each forum, my suggestion would be to re-read them.