<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mulefire:
If love is such an overwhelming spiritual ideal then to know it I guess you have to understand spirituality.
Nah, I don't think love has that much to do with spirituality. Are you saying that atheists can't fall in love, or can't understand love as well as a spiritual person?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In most cases what we think of as love is nothing more than lust.
Perhaps little more than lust, but I wouldn't (in most cases) say nothing.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>We tell oursleves that we love that person because we like them, like being with them, like making them happy etc. In reality we are being unconciously selfish and providing for our own needs, be they procreation or perhaps something as simply as company. Why is one person better than another? I use WinAmp becuase it fills certain needs I have. I might choose one person over another becuase they better fill my needs. I might not even be aware of what those needs are but I act upon them. Is that love? or just selfish instinctive survival mechanisms at work?
Here's a point that's come up over and over again in my discussions with people: Are humans motivated only by selfishness? I think that the vast majority of people are, but I also think that it is possible to override this. It would be very difficult to prove this (brain surgery would be required), but I suspect that if I somehow became unable to receive any kind of benefit (no favors in return, no satisfaction of conscience, etc.), that my cerebral cortex could still manage to override the selfishness of the rest of my brain and continue to make me attempt to help others. I would still be able to cognitively reason out the ethics of doing whatever, and would be aware that others have emotions even if I could no longer feel any empathy for them, and so I would still decide to do what I can (albeit less enthusiastically) to help them and would act on that conviction.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Okay have I alienated enough people yet? no.. okay.. well I'm not even going to go into the whole Love for God thing... you are spared!! Yay!
What about Love for God?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>(and who has a tendancy to waffle...sorry guys...)
Well, you'll fit right in on these forums. Waffles 'R' Us.
I also 'disagreed' with the pessimism of your posts. I used to revel in cynicism, but now tend to dwell more somewhere between realism and optimism. And while there was much fun to be had as a cynic, I do believe that I'm better off overall where I'm at now.
Also, I've never thought of myself as being anything near a "hopeless romantic."
Oh, and I too love discourse. Philosophy was the best danged course I ever took during my public school career. I've missed the dialogs in that class ever since.
/me thwapps Mulefire's wife for thwapping Mulefire.
/me thwapps Jayn for wanting to thwapp Mulefire.
/me thwapps Mulefire just for fun.
/me thwapps self for thwapping them.
/me thwapps self for thwapping self.
[This message has been edited by Winsane (edited September 04, 2000).]