Old 28th July 2014, 23:09   #481
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we still get requests from people who bought the pre-AOL purchase shareware licenses expecting to get a pro key because they'd paid for the shareware version (was one only last week) so i'm expecting the negativity when things are released and more people find out.

it was never clear what would happen with a v6.x release when it came to licensing, though i suspect it would have been an option to upgrade for a small cost like a few $ for existing 5.x pro users.

one thing that will be interesting is seeing what happens to all of the "Winamp + crack" torrents and downloads floating about as there won't be a need for such things anymore (but i suspect they'll still be floating around as there's been 6.x version ones for well over a decade that i remember seeing).
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Old 28th July 2014, 23:15   #482
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one thing that will be interesting is seeing what happens to all of the "Winamp + crack" torrents and downloads floating about as there won't be a need for such things anymore (but i suspect they'll still be floating around as there's been 6.x version ones for well over a decade that i remember seeing).
They will still float around, at least a little bit since people will want to install them for whatever reason like nostalgia. I remember winampheaven.net, when it was up and had an archive of all the old winamp versions, hosted a keygen for version 1.x for the versions of when winamp was shareware before the sale to AOL.
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they'll probably just move onto trying to torrent "Winamp 7.x + Crack" instead
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Since we are on the subject...
I use Winamp for all of my RSS podcasts. But I have noticed that sometimes winamp doesn't pull over the metadata that is in the podcast. If I download that same podcast from Itunes, the file has metadata in it. (artist, title, notes etc.)
Currently I am at work so I don't have a specific example for you, but I will have one later if you need it. Plus I don't know if this is just me or everyone.
Here is an RSS example.
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheAdamCarollaPodcast
It just seems like winamp and itunes brings down different metadata.

That is all
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rightio, will try to have a look into things, though have you got a screenshot or something like that of what difference you're seeing please.

as from a quick look in the file, there's values in the feed i don't think we even attempt to look at (e.g. title vs itunes:title) which might explain the difference you're seeing, but a screenshot example would be helpful so i know what you're actually looking at.
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rightio, will try to have a look into things, though have you got a screenshot or something like that of what difference you're seeing please.

as from a quick look in the file, there's values in the feed i don't think we even attempt to look at (e.g. title vs itunes:title) which might explain the difference you're seeing, but a screenshot example would be helpful so i know what you're actually looking at.
Sorry for the delay. I had to take a quick business trip. I have attached a couple of screenshots. One set is the Winamp into dialogs for the same file from iTunes and Winamp and then the MP3Tag extended info for those same files. I hope that they help.
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Noooooo! Please continue some winamp version. winamp is my best player(sounds ,etc).
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Old 31st July 2014, 13:56   #488
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UnknownMe: please pay attention to what has been posted already in this thread as your post is nonsensical compared to what is actually happening.

Juanus: ok that helps. so it looks like it's probably using those extended itunes fields to fill out more of the metadata. though is that screenshot from a different feed as i'm not finding any of that information in the one you posted earlier (would be helpful if it's a different one to have a link to it as well so i can double-check i'm right).
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Will the new Winamp keep compatibility with v5.x skins, DSP plug-ins and visualizations?
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skins: yes, 5.x (modern) and 2.x skins.

plug-ins: hopefully - as it depends completely upon what those plug-ins are doing and how well they cope with some of the required native plug-in changes which have to be made to improve the default Winamp experience (as most Winamp installs never see 3rd party plug-ins being installed anyway).
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Juanus: ok that helps. so it looks like it's probably using those extended itunes fields to fill out more of the metadata. though is that screenshot from a different feed as i'm not finding any of that information in the one you posted earlier (would be helpful if it's a different one to have a link to it as well so i can double-check i'm right).
It would really help if I would pay attention to what I am doing. The previous screenshots I referenced went with feed
http://www.podcastone.com/podcast?categoryID2=398


The screenshots attached to this thread reference feed
http://feeds.feedburner.com/TheAdamCarollaPodcast


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not to worry, that helps with extra data to look at seems like i'll need to do some more research to determine what the expected set of metadata is for feeds (as most of what is in those i've not been aware off from the feeds i'm subscribed to).
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not to worry, that helps with extra data to look at seems like i'll need to do some more research to determine what the expected set of metadata is for feeds (as most of what is in those i've not been aware off from the feeds i'm subscribed to).
And just to add a little info. If you download the file directly from the website, not using the RSS feed, you get the metadata below. Which is exactly what you get from the Winamp RSS. So like you said, it seems like iTunes is adding information somehow.
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Firstly, a BIG thank you to DrO and the team for keeping Winamp alive, even if there's no release date in sight... It's ready when it's ready :P

To those that keep complaining: Just be grateful that someone wanted to keep it alive... If they didn't, who would you whine to? lol

One of the things I felt that Winamp was missing (natively), was an option to organise your media based on a set of naming rules. I know there was a 3rd party plugin (Media Library Organizer) that I used, but there was a weird glitch that messed up the tags / naming when organising by album artist. Is this something that could be looked at in terms of native support?

Since it has already been touched on, and since there will no longer be a "Pro" version (and it’s no longer available), where do you guys stand in terms of people using keygens for the Satan (v5.666, I couldn't resist :P ) edition? I know you may not be able to say “sure, go for it” without someone whining that they had to pay for their key and therefore feel that everyone else must suffer, but you could always say something like “it would be very hard to tell if you did since we can no longer track who bought it and who didn’t…

Lastly, if people are giving you a hard time about Pro versions for the next release, you can always offer to take their money and give them a "special" version which just has the word "Pro" in the title. That way, they can have something us mere mortals won’t have
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skins: yes, 5.x (modern) and 2.x skins.

plug-ins: hopefully - as it depends completely upon what those plug-ins are doing and how well they cope with some of the required native plug-in changes which have to be made to improve the default Winamp experience (as most Winamp installs never see 3rd party plug-ins being installed anyway).
Yeah, I already have at least 1 (really old) plug-in that I have to rename the .dll file before I install a newer version as it either crashes the installer or the 1st-time run wizard. Well, last time I attempted an install without renaming it first was many versions ago. Not sure what it would do now. Anyway, the plug-in itself still works with Winamp so I've kept it around. It's like 9 years old at least. If it completely dies and becomes completely in-compatible then I'll cross that bridge when/if it happens. May just have two versions of Winamp if that time comes.

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MarkRH: i've made a change which will allow for it to be present and install without it causing a crash which was happening due to setup trying to load the gen_*.dll plug-ins, see if it adds a custom option during install and then unload it afterwards.

it's that last bit which for some reason is causing the gen_Wake_up_call.dll plug-in to freak out so i've changed it so we leave the 3rd party plug-ins loaded all the way through setup (which increases the memory usage a bit but makes things more stable).

so that should solve that issue at least with your specific usage (and make updating easier ).
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One more question: Are you going to release new Winamp also as portable app (without installer)?
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probably not. maybe a bit more will be looked at to making it easier for others to create portable installs at some point, but with everything else that needs to be done (once i've gotten SHOUTcast duties out of the way), i'm not going to do anything towards portableapps support, etc any time soon.
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Hi, I am a developer looking for some projects to help in. I am interested in audio fingerprinting technologies and I was wondering if you guys ever found a replacement to Gracenote services. If not I would be interested in working with you guys on a solution.l
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we still get requests from people who bought the pre-AOL purchase shareware licenses expecting to get a pro key because they'd paid for the shareware version (was one only last week) so i'm expecting the negativity when things are released and more people find out.

it was never clear what would happen with a v6.x release when it came to licensing, though i suspect it would have been an option to upgrade for a small cost like a few $ for existing 5.x pro users.

one thing that will be interesting is seeing what happens to all of the "Winamp + crack" torrents and downloads floating about as there won't be a need for such things anymore (but i suspect they'll still be floating around as there's been 6.x version ones for well over a decade that i remember seeing).
At one of my older companies, the game was only released on Direc2Drive. It had literally zero DRM. Once installed, it ran. (It was merely released to fulfill a contract)

Sure enough, it ended up on torrent sites with all these complicated cracks that it never needed.

If we outlawed pianos, only outlaws would be pianists.
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At one of my older companies, the game was only released on Direc2Drive. It had literally zero DRM. Once installed, it ran. (It was merely released to fulfill a contract)

Sure enough, it ended up on torrent sites with all these complicated cracks that it never needed.
I remember seeing a lot of keygens for nagfree shareware (inc winamp 1.x) back in the day on AOL server chatrooms. Seemed kind of odd to get a keygen for a program where you don't gain anything by registering except to help out the developer.
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Please please include built in support for Asio audio output on the new Winamp.

Before it was only available via plugin and it wasn't great. Winamp will never challenge the audiophile players without Asio support.

Im looking forward to the new Winamp, I think it was overdue a refresh. Good luck!
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there are no plans to natively include asio support. including a native wasapi output plug-in would be more appropriate and that's not on the current plans either.

if the 3rd party plug-in isn't good, then that's something which the author needs to be resolve though what you mean by "it wasn't great" is somewhat subjective.
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there are no plans to natively include asio support.
Oh, that's a real shame. Is it really that hard to implement?

There are an army of people using Foobar and paying for players such as Jriver just to get Asio support. They will never use Winamp without Asio support (including me!). You could even charge for it as a premium feature.

but anyway thanks for the quick reply!

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what you mean by "it wasn't great" is somewhat subjective.
It was a long time ago I tried it but from what I remember it was struggling with different sample rates etc. It was a very beta plug in. Would have been much better if it was built in so when you setup the software you can just switch on Asio
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Think of all the audiophiles out there with their fancy DACs. They wont use this software without Asio support to bypass the Windows and driver mixers.

Im not being difficult here, its just how it is! But anyway thanks for the replies, I will still give the new Winamp a look when it comes out.
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i have no idea how difficult it is to implement but with everything else that needs to be re-built / added to a new Winamp client, implementing additional output plug-ins when it's not an area i'm that knowledgeable in makes it an unknown (and anything like it would probably take a while to get to being useful - just as i've seen be the case with any of the Winamp wasapi plug-ins or even those for foobar2000, etc).

as you cannot just magically implement something and just because it's 'official' be super wonderful and work perfectly - it took years for the DirectSound plug-in to become stable.

and as has been mentioned only a few posts prior to yours, there will not be a pro / premium / paid version of Winamp so we wouldn't be charging for something like it anyway.


as for the 3rd party plug-in, that's down to the author of it. and it's not like someone else who has an interest in such things could look to make a different plug-in, but as 3rd party plug-in development is effectively dead, and with everything else we've got to do, Winamp is probably not the right solution for those sorts of people as you describe them.

and trying to have Winamp be a tool for everyone in such a manner for what is effectively a niche feature is not something that i'd expect to see happen (as it's a lot of work for a very small number of people). so i know you're not trying to be difficult, but a bit of reality needs to be maintained and just because Winamp development will continue, it doesn't mean everything from dead / unsupported 3rd party plug-ins including the kitchen sink will be natively implemented.


whereas things like playlist searching (as per attachment) is something that is often requested and benefits a lot more people. it's painful juggling act at times and not everyone will be happy but that's just how things have to be to achieve something rather than nothing.
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That all sounds fair enough, I hope it all comes good!

(Maybe keep it in mind for later versions )
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whereas things like playlist searching (as per attachment) is something that is often requested and benefits a lot more people. it's painful juggling act at times and not everyone will be happy but that's just how things have to be to achieve something rather than nothing.
That's a cool new feature. Will you be able to search through every playlist if you have the playlist node highlighted or just the currently active playlist?
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That's a cool new feature. Will you be able to search through every playlist if you have the playlist node highlighted or just the currently active playlist?
i still need to get per-playlist searching working. as it was something i quickly looked into on sunday night to see what would be needed and got it to the point where it can do what's shown on the right of the attachment.

as for doing inside of all playlists, i was thinking about that as well and it can be done, is just how best to provide the search results. as my 3 initial thoughts are:
  • just indicate the playlists which match (setting to bold or something like that) and / or a number / column to indicate the number of matches
  • provide a sub-pane which shows the matches and the parent playlist (so much like the library searches for the tracks pane, but with the playlist name in the first column)
  • provide the matches as child items of the playlist i.e. like a tree (which could get very messy with expanded states, etc but it makes it clear what relates to what)
of those 3, i think the second one is the one i prefer (as it better matches other aspects of the library and is a bit simpler to implement), though i quite like what the third one (using a tree) could look like.
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I know that you must hear it all the time but do you know when there is going to be a new version released? I know that it must take a lot of work to re write the program, skins, and plugins to work with the new version. I really appreciate all the work going into keeping Winamp alive.
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at some point in 2015 (is mentioned earlier in this thread).
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at some point in 2015 (is mentioned earlier in this thread).
Thanks DrO.

I must of missed that reading through the messages.

Oh, BTW... I love the new format on Shoutcast.com. I love the fact that you can directly down the .pls files from the stations you want to listen to.

Thanks again for keeping the best media player going.

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DrO, care to comment on my last post?

The last half was just me being cheeky with some of my humour, but I am interested to hear about the media library organisation...
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now Windows Phone not have best Music Player .. would Winamp be .. ?
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Dude, the Windows Phone market is even smaller than the Android one. There won't be enough users to warrant the development effort.
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DrO, care to comment on my last post?

The last half was just me being cheeky with some of my humour, but I am interested to hear about the media library organisation...
Seems like DrO is off the grid lately, don't know why..

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so what is going on with winamp? what are these belgians doing to it?
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Making it awesome!
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