Shoutcast Top 25

engineering · 15th February 2001, 21:25

Considering some of the stations in the top 25 are fiddling their listener figures to be there, I would be prepared to pay Nullsoft to be listed there.

Come on Nullsoft, lets have some payola, so AOL can make some money outa ya.

Don't flame me coz I know how it is done!

http://transmission.mistral.co.uk:8000/listen.pls

Shirow · 15th February 2001, 23:45

Do they really? that sucks.

core · 16th February 2001, 01:34

engineering,

Care to share the Caramilk secret? 8-)

Regards,

Shirow · 16th February 2001, 01:39

Well, if you had enough IP's, it'd be easy..

SomaFM · 16th February 2001, 08:24

kerbango.com (3Com's streaming audio appliance grop) will list you on the front page "top cool streams" for $200 a week or so.

Shirow · 16th February 2001, 16:00

Wow, just $200 huh.. ;D

kloughin · 17th February 2001, 01:18

I'm curious about the "featured Broadcast". What determines who gets that slot? I'd like to be there for just one day.

Kevin L.
http://Blenderradio.*************

engineering · 17th February 2001, 18:58

Indeed, (Had lots of beer tonight)

We would all like a go at that!, but sadly we are never given a profile that allows people to find us without really delving deep into the listings, most stations are getting nothing but 'by chance' hits, pushed down by cheats and so a look at the logs reveals low listen times. Many servers, for one reason or another, never actually hit the .yp directory . I bet many other streams are of good quality, but we are stuck in catch 22 where you are not visible enough to get people to try them out.

I

No, I won't really tell, coz it would wreck .yp even more.

And no, you don't need lot of I.P's (Ref - 127.0.0.1, F-spike, Shoutcast 1.6B or earlier) if you understand that, then you understand what a TCP dump would tell you on the offenders 'encoder' network.

Shirow · 17th February 2001, 19:09

Hmm, interesting. Oh well, that sucks, let 'em go ahead and cheat. I'd rather surf to the top on a sea of goodliness, than a stinking tide of cheating

engineering · 17th February 2001, 19:37

I heard that Winamp staff were cracking down at one time by demanding logs, I don't know if that is still the case. Or if some stations are there by design.

club977 · 18th February 2001, 05:43

Great Topic! I've been waiting for a thread like this. Anyone else notice that sometimes when "their system" fails they fall off the chart? It's happened a few times and then we can see how many listeners they actually have. I find it hard to believe that these stations have 600 plus listeners at one time without any promotion whats-so-ever. I spend over 200 bucks (yeah I know it's not much, but it's a start) a month marketing my station through-out different publications and some banner advertising and I've just approached my lister max of 50 (adding more soon). They either have some serious cult following or those statistics are complete crap! What do you think? I think it's time Winamp revisit this issue and warn or ban the offenders who do this.

ALTERadio · 19th February 2001, 13:04

Personally...If Shoutcast had any suspicion of user count rigging they'll call the station and demand logs of the station. It's been done, just ask Rep'ruh'zent... They got banned from Shoutcast for a while because of User Count rigging. So, trust me, if it's happening, Shoutcast is on to them, but honestly, I think the user counts are real, especially on SmoothJazz, Wolf and DI....

Spread the Lov*E*

15th February 2001, 21:25	#1
engineering Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 145	shoutcast.com top 25 stations?? Considering some of the stations in the top 25 are fiddling their listener figures to be there, I would be prepared to pay Nullsoft to be listed there. Come on Nullsoft, lets have some payola, so AOL can make some money outa ya. Don't flame me coz I know how it is done! http://transmission.mistral.co.uk:8000/listen.pls

19th February 2001, 13:04	#12
ALTERadio Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Okotoks, Alberta, Canada Posts: 346	Personally...If Shoutcast had any suspicion of user count rigging they'll call the station and demand logs of the station. It's been done, just ask Rep'ruh'zent... They got banned from Shoutcast for a while because of User Count rigging. So, trust me, if it's happening, Shoutcast is on to them, but honestly, I think the user counts are real, especially on SmoothJazz, Wolf and DI.... Spread the LovE --------------------------------------- Wrangler Radio - Today's Hot Country Hits war.str3am.com:7020/listen.pls ---------------------------------------

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15th February 2001, 23:45	#2
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	Do they really? that sucks.

16th February 2001, 01:34	#3
core Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 45	engineering, Care to share the Caramilk secret? 8-) Regards,

16th February 2001, 01:39	#4
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	Well, if you had enough IP's, it'd be easy..

16th February 2001, 08:24	#5
SomaFM Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 81	kerbango.com (3Com's streaming audio appliance grop) will list you on the front page "top cool streams" for $200 a week or so.

16th February 2001, 16:00	#6
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	Wow, just $200 huh.. ;D

17th February 2001, 01:18	#7
kloughin Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 12	I'm curious about the "featured Broadcast". What determines who gets that slot? I'd like to be there for just one day. Kevin L. http://Blenderradio.*************

17th February 2001, 18:58	#8
engineering Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 145	Indeed, (Had lots of beer tonight) We would all like a go at that!, but sadly we are never given a profile that allows people to find us without really delving deep into the listings, most stations are getting nothing but 'by chance' hits, pushed down by cheats and so a look at the logs reveals low listen times. Many servers, for one reason or another, never actually hit the .yp directory . I bet many other streams are of good quality, but we are stuck in catch 22 where you are not visible enough to get people to try them out. I No, I won't really tell, coz it would wreck .yp even more. And no, you don't need lot of I.P's (Ref - 127.0.0.1, F-spike, Shoutcast 1.6B or earlier) if you understand that, then you understand what a TCP dump would tell you on the offenders 'encoder' network.

17th February 2001, 19:09	#9
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	Hmm, interesting. Oh well, that sucks, let 'em go ahead and cheat. I'd rather surf to the top on a sea of goodliness, than a stinking tide of cheating

17th February 2001, 19:37	#10
engineering Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Sussex, England Posts: 145	I heard that Winamp staff were cracking down at one time by demanding logs, I don't know if that is still the case. Or if some stations are there by design.

18th February 2001, 05:43	#11
club977 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 285	Great Topic! I've been waiting for a thread like this. Anyone else notice that sometimes when "their system" fails they fall off the chart? It's happened a few times and then we can see how many listeners they actually have. I find it hard to believe that these stations have 600 plus listeners at one time without any promotion whats-so-ever. I spend over 200 bucks (yeah I know it's not much, but it's a start) a month marketing my station through-out different publications and some banner advertising and I've just approached my lister max of 50 (adding more soon). They either have some serious cult following or those statistics are complete crap! What do you think? I think it's time Winamp revisit this issue and warn or ban the offenders who do this.