Windows Media Player 8.0 - Page 2

Shagin099 · 24th March 2001, 15:10

Superrcat: I have some windows XP source code and this is a small excerpt from 2428's explorer.exe:
1 VERSIONINFO
FILEVERSION 6,0,2428,0
PRODUCTVERSION 6,0,2428,0
FILEOS 0x40004
FILETYPE 0x1
{
BLOCK "StringFileInfo"
{
BLOCK "040904B0"
{
VALUE "CompanyName", "Microsoft Corporation"
VALUE "FileDescription", "Windows Explorer"
VALUE "FileVersion", "6.00.2428.0000 (idx01.010129-1827)"
VALUE "InternalName", "explorer"
VALUE "LegalCopyright", "Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. 1981-2001"
VALUE "OriginalFilename", "EXPLORER.EXE"
VALUE "ProductName", "Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System"
VALUE "ProductVersion", "6.00.2428.0000"
}
}

BLOCK "VarFileInfo"
{
VALUE "Translation", 0x0409 0x04B0
}
}

I know this has nothing to do with winamp.... but i had to clarify that

Divide Overflow · 24th March 2001, 15:29

Quote:

Originally posted by RussGarrett
On a different note...
WOW! Its.... just like Windows Media Player 7, but with window alpha-transparency!

I have personally tried WMP8, and found almost no difference between it and its predecessor.

How did you manage that, Russ? I have even gotten my hands on WindowsXP as well. But to my knowledge, WMP8 has not even been released to the WinXP beta testers yet, let alone anyone else. The copy of WMP8 that came with the XP builds is not the same version as the one they are developing internally. Finally, I am no fan of WMP7 or WMP8, but for a short while, I did have one hope for it. Integrated DVD support. Why? One less app I have to install when I reload the OS. I do not know if the internal builds of WMP8 have this shortcoming, but before you can view DVDs in the included WMP that comes with XP, you have to install a third party DVD player such as PowerDVD. Damn it.

Neofolis · 25th March 2001, 08:04

I have a, far from up to date, PII 400 and never seem to have any problems with these, so called bloated apps. I would agree that Winamp 2.X is the best audio player and that WA3 has the potential to be far better, but only because I rarely use the extra features of MMJB, etc. It is not uncommon for me to be running ten or more apps when I start WMP7 and it still works fine, which makes me wonder what everyone else is doing to there systems to have so many problems.

Equally, WA3 Alpha 5 seems to load faster than previous Alphas, taking about 3-4 sec, as opposed to Alphas 3-4, which both took about 6-7. That said, if I do anything other than play songs, Alpha 5 crashes.

I don't think the free form skinning is inspired by Sonique. It is more likely that it is inspired from having an ex K-jofol developer on the Nullsoft team. That said competition will always create ingenuity and faster progress, so it has to be a good thing. IMHO K-jofol was the only serious competition for WA, mainly because I am more concerned with music quality than features, so whilst the new features are nice, if someone else came out with an app that looked like WA 0.2, but had far better reproduction, I would have to reconsider my loyalty to Winamp.

El-LoCo · 25th March 2001, 14:07

Hmz.
This was..interesting.
Anyways, I for one wouldn't use neither WIMP8 or XP.
Xp is, by the looks of things, beeing made to make new users life a lot easier.
WIMP has allways been to fucking huge for my personal likings and I think I'm still using 5.x for playing divx etc. As allways, just my two cents.

AmpliDex · 25th March 2001, 23:36

Aww shit! I must have like 6 Music players on my PC and Winamp 2.73 & 3 Alpha 5 are the best of the lot! WMP is shit because it's too buggy and it lacks quality big time! WMP8 ain't going to make a differnce, so Winamp will probably be the best forever!

lin_sook · 28th March 2001, 13:25

its is not a "minor upgrade"~!~! so what if the version is jumped up by .1 or something. but it is not a minor upgrade. can windows 2000 run apps made 10 years ago?? i thikn not. compatibilty mode is cool.

DarwinX · 31st March 2001, 02:44

A couple of observations for everyone still reading this thread.

Lately I've been running WinAmp 2.73, Sonique, WMP 8.0, Music Match, and PlayCenter (Creative Labs, available free for people with a SBLive). Windows Media Player is simply too much of a processor hog to be of any use to me. At work, where I have a P2-350 it takes nearly half of the processor (using TaskManager to check). WinAmp and Sonique only take about 5% (if even that high). You can get WMP down to about 30% if you turn off the equalizer, but then who would want to listen to flat music? WinAmp does have the smallest memory footprint, which is quite nice. Even Sonique tends to take over 10MB. Since I'm a coder, I'm more concerned with the processor utilization as even 30% of my processor really slows down compilation time.

MusicMatch is utter crap, and I would never consider using that software for long. PlayCenter is actually a decent application, but I could never use it for my regular playback. It simply has no way to minimize itself, and I can't spare the desktop real-estate. Besides, I don't have an SBLive in both my machines, so it's not really an option. I do recommend their software for ripping, however.

As far as a choice between WinAmp and Sonique go, I find that there is one overriding feature that ultimately makes my decision for me. I listen to a ton of music from Orbital, Underworld, and numerous other bands that tend to have songs that span tracks. As everyone is aware, WinAmp cannot do this without plugins, and I haven't found a decent plug-in that can actually do a good job of this. Until WA3 is released, there's really no other decent solution for me than to go with Sonique.

A couple things though that can be learned from WMP is the ability to browse through all the albums stored on your drive, and load up playlist of those albums. It's a pain for me to have to create playlists for albums, store those in directories, and then browse to those directories every time I want to hear a specific "album" of MP3s. Neither WinAmp nor Sonique have this type of browsing, so there's room for improvement with both of them.

Spitskull! · 31st March 2001, 18:14

i should boot up winamp on my old 386

i think i have 1 mb of ram in it.

or what about that machine with the indiviual ram chips rather than the simms

that would be the day

Spitskull! · 31st March 2001, 18:19

oh, and on another note i checked winamp, and it takes between somewhere between 1% and 2% of my system resources on a celeron 500 ( 66 MHz bus >

) with 192 mb ram.
i love it. if only freaking windows didn't take 70% of them, i would be in heaven.

p.s. Macos X rules all. Now just port it to x86 and we'll be in business :P

tiger84 · 3rd April 2001, 03:46

Of course Microsoft will come to dominate all...but it will because it will lie, cheat, steal, and buy it's way to the top. Microsoft is just one big lie. You know how they say they are inovative. If they're so inovative, how come they haven't come up with one idea thats theirs. For instance, the GUI idea was stolen from Apple (who stole it from Xerox), the WMP 8 is obviously a rip off of Sonique, and now they're coming out with Ultimate TV, an obvious rip off of Tivo.

btgfinch · 3rd April 2001, 04:20

I think that nullsoft should try developing a movie player so we can do away w/ media player all together.

some like wintube just and idea.

saivert · 3rd April 2001, 12:00

Microsoft has always been stealing ideas. Even the entire
PC architecture is stolen (from Amiga, a home computer introduced in the beginning of the 90's).
Every good idea must be preserved, NOT as in Copyrighted BUT
used and put to live. MS (not the funny joke about M$.. moneymaking Bill. Bill's nice but he could do better, he invented the first BASIC system for programming). DOS was a simplified version of the original BASIC OS for C64 (another old computer). Its's UI is ofcourse a rip from Apple (and a little from Workbench on Amiga). Their only original idea was Windows 3.0. It had nothing other had.

Well I lost the point, but so what.....

There are already some plugins that play any video codec installed in Winamp, but these could be implemented more tightely to Winamp. In Winamp 3 if anyone are planning to make a video plugin/component for Winamp 3 then you have the component architecture and can tighten the video plugin/component very tightly to Winamp Studio (Winamp3 Main Compoent/Player). END of this transmission.

Rocker · 3rd April 2001, 12:16

you do know that bill gates co-founded apple computer corp.
don't you.
I think he's very stingy not even reading my letter asking for a measily million dollars

Rocker · 3rd April 2001, 12:17

this meant he had rights to stealing the UI

tiger84 · 3rd April 2001, 17:37

Bill Gates was not a co-founder of Apple...he was part of the development team, but that was only so he could have stolen the GUI. Steve Jobs and somebody else were the co-founders.

allanthecoolman · 3rd April 2001, 20:12

Why dont microsoft come up with a new player that does not copy off Nullsoft

A few things Microsoft has copied from Nullsoft since WMP6.4:

Skinable
Visualizations
Plugins

A few things where Nullsoft tramples Microsoft:

It's DSP Plugins
It's Own Browser
Easier to make skins for developers
The Winamp Site
Keeping The Downloaders Updated With News
and more...

So in conclusion of cause Winamp 1.0+ is even better than Media Player 7 and 8

3rd April 2001, 20:47

i agree that windows media player it cr*p. But musicmatch dukebox isnt! Its really good for ripping music CD's, and creates good MP3's fast.

tiger84 · 5th April 2001, 02:19

I use CDex for ripping and encoding...it's flexible and easy to use and it uses the Lame encoder, and a few others. It too is fast, takes me around 30 to 40 seconds to encode a three minute song.

Twilightseer · 5th April 2001, 08:14

I agree all the way: CDEX rules

Shade · 5th April 2001, 21:18

ok. A couple things I have to say after reading these posts:

1. Wozniak was the other co-founder, not Gates.
2. Who hasn't stolen the skinning idea?
3. Who even started the skinning idea really?
4. WMP may not be great, but it works great for me for movies.
5. I have WA caching entire tracks to memory. The cpu usage barely registers and the memory usage is just more than the size of the track being played at the moment.

I would never use WMP for music, but I have not used anything better for movies and when I am watching movies, I don't notice the memory usage since I am not doing anything else usually.

AmpliDex · 7th April 2001, 12:38

Quote:

Originally posted by Shade
ok. A couple things I have to say after reading these posts:

1. Wozniak was the other co-founder, not Gates.
2. Who hasn't stolen the skinning idea?
3. Who even started the skinning idea really?
4. WMP may not be great, but it works great for me for movies.
5. I have WA caching entire tracks to memory. The cpu usage barely registers and the memory usage is just more than the size of the track being played at the moment.

I would never use WMP for music, but I have not used anything better for movies and when I am watching movies, I don't notice the memory usage since I am not doing anything else usually.

Windows Media's movies are crap! Most of the time, I can't get to view the picture!

Shade · 7th April 2001, 16:46

I use WMP to play asf, avi, mpeg, and divx files. Never have a problem unless the file is corrupted. I also never use WMV or WMA files.

TomK · 7th April 2001, 23:36

I still use WMP 6.4 for movies! WMP7 takes about 3 secs to swtch to fullscreen, but WMP6.4 does that in a flash. Also the keeboard shortcuts.. Can't pause with the spacebar or mouse click... WMP7 is just a mental satisfaction.

dj_rigo · 8th April 2001, 00:27

Quote:

Originally posted by allanthecoolman
Why dont microsoft come up with a new player that does not copy off Nullsoft

A few things Microsoft has copied from Nullsoft since WMP6.4:

Skinable
Visualizations
Plugins

A few things where Nullsoft tramples Microsoft:

It's DSP Plugins
It's Own Browser
Easier to make skins for developers
The Winamp Site
Keeping The Downloaders Updated With News
and more...

So in conclusion of cause Winamp 1.0+ is even better than Media Player 7 and 8

Own BROWSER???? Come on, it Winamp uses the Microsoft Internet Control (Internet Explorer Engine)
And skins are easy to make because they are lame and simple.
(Like Sonique: Lame and simple)

Shade · 8th April 2001, 06:33

Maybe Microsoft got the idea of skins from any of the dozens of other things that were using skins. It is not like winamp held the market on skins in any way.
You cannot say that the concept of plugins stems from WA. What do you think DLL files are? They have been around since long before storing whole music files on a computer was even concieved of.

OO7TDD · 9th April 2001, 06:02

Don't worry abot wmp 8 being avalible. wmp 8 is only avalible in windows xp and wont be a free upgrade for win 9x. the wmp 8 that came in windows whilter beta 2 is not the fianl realese of wmp 8 so thats why its so much like 7. wmp has never really been anyone choice for music but its great for divx in my opinion.

AmpliDex · 13th April 2001, 19:14

Windows Media Player 8 is not going to make any difference at all! Even RealJukebox and Sonique are way better than Micrsoft's piece of crap! So there will be no difference at all! However, I wonder if Windows Me users can access WMP 8? But for now, I use RealJukebox 2, Winamp 2.74, Sonique 1.90, and Winamp 3 ALPHA 5! Is alpha 6 out yet?

25th March 2001, 08:04	#3
Neofolis Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Multi-Spectral Posts: 73	Don't Understand I have a, far from up to date, PII 400 and never seem to have any problems with these, so called bloated apps. I would agree that Winamp 2.X is the best audio player and that WA3 has the potential to be far better, but only because I rarely use the extra features of MMJB, etc. It is not uncommon for me to be running ten or more apps when I start WMP7 and it still works fine, which makes me wonder what everyone else is doing to there systems to have so many problems. Equally, WA3 Alpha 5 seems to load faster than previous Alphas, taking about 3-4 sec, as opposed to Alphas 3-4, which both took about 6-7. That said, if I do anything other than play songs, Alpha 5 crashes. I don't think the free form skinning is inspired by Sonique. It is more likely that it is inspired from having an ex K-jofol developer on the Nullsoft team. That said competition will always create ingenuity and faster progress, so it has to be a good thing. IMHO K-jofol was the only serious competition for WA, mainly because I am more concerned with music quality than features, so whilst the new features are nice, if someone else came out with an app that looked like WA 0.2, but had far better reproduction, I would have to reconsider my loyalty to Winamp.

25th March 2001, 23:36	#5
AmpliDex Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 543	Aww shit! I must have like 6 Music players on my PC and Winamp 2.73 & 3 Alpha 5 are the best of the lot! WMP is shit because it's too buggy and it lacks quality big time! WMP8 ain't going to make a differnce, so Winamp will probably be the best forever! Webgraph E-mail/MSN: robnet10@mail.com ICQ: 87028626 (Use with AIM) Yahoo: webgraph10

28th March 2001, 13:25	#6
lin_sook Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 170	winxp a minor upgrade? its is not a "minor upgrade"~!~! so what if the version is jumped up by .1 or something. but it is not a minor upgrade. can windows 2000 run apps made 10 years ago?? i thikn not. compatibilty mode is cool.

3rd April 2001, 03:46	#10
tiger84 Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: 101010 Posts: 750	Microsoft, what the @#&% is wrong with you Of course Microsoft will come to dominate all...but it will because it will lie, cheat, steal, and buy it's way to the top. Microsoft is just one big lie. You know how they say they are inovative. If they're so inovative, how come they haven't come up with one idea thats theirs. For instance, the GUI idea was stolen from Apple (who stole it from Xerox), the WMP 8 is obviously a rip off of Sonique, and now they're coming out with Ultimate TV, an obvious rip off of Tivo. If life calls and you're busy, let the answering machine pick-up. Just so you know, my previous avatar was NOT a swastika, nor did it have much similarity to one. Just thought I'd clear that up since I cannot use my own original art work.

3rd April 2001, 12:00	#12
saivert Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 927	Microsoft and all others Microsoft has always been stealing ideas. Even the entire PC architecture is stolen (from Amiga, a home computer introduced in the beginning of the 90's). Every good idea must be preserved, NOT as in Copyrighted BUT used and put to live. MS (not the funny joke about M$.. moneymaking Bill. Bill's nice but he could do better, he invented the first BASIC system for programming). DOS was a simplified version of the original BASIC OS for C64 (another old computer). Its's UI is ofcourse a rip from Apple (and a little from Workbench on Amiga). Their only original idea was Windows 3.0. It had nothing other had. Well I lost the point, but so what..... There are already some plugins that play any video codec installed in Winamp, but these could be implemented more tightely to Winamp. In Winamp 3 if anyone are planning to make a video plugin/component for Winamp 3 then you have the component architecture and can tighten the video plugin/component very tightly to Winamp Studio (Winamp3 Main Compoent/Player). END of this transmission.

24th March 2001, 15:10	#1
Shagin099 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY, USA Posts: 16	Superrcat: I have some windows XP source code and this is a small excerpt from 2428's explorer.exe: 1 VERSIONINFO FILEVERSION 6,0,2428,0 PRODUCTVERSION 6,0,2428,0 FILEOS 0x40004 FILETYPE 0x1 { BLOCK "StringFileInfo" { BLOCK "040904B0" { VALUE "CompanyName", "Microsoft Corporation" VALUE "FileDescription", "Windows Explorer" VALUE "FileVersion", "6.00.2428.0000 (idx01.010129-1827)" VALUE "InternalName", "explorer" VALUE "LegalCopyright", "Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. 1981-2001" VALUE "OriginalFilename", "EXPLORER.EXE" VALUE "ProductName", "Microsoft(R) Windows (R) 2000 Operating System" VALUE "ProductVersion", "6.00.2428.0000" } } BLOCK "VarFileInfo" { VALUE "Translation", 0x0409 0x04B0 } } I know this has nothing to do with winamp.... but i had to clarify that

25th March 2001, 14:07	#4
El-LoCo New Winamp Rocks Army (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: a comfy chair Posts: 238	Hmz. This was..interesting. Anyways, I for one wouldn't use neither WIMP8 or XP. Xp is, by the looks of things, beeing made to make new users life a lot easier. WIMP has allways been to fucking huge for my personal likings and I think I'm still using 5.x for playing divx etc. As allways, just my two cents.

31st March 2001, 02:44	#7
DarwinX Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2	A couple of observations for everyone still reading this thread. Lately I've been running WinAmp 2.73, Sonique, WMP 8.0, Music Match, and PlayCenter (Creative Labs, available free for people with a SBLive). Windows Media Player is simply too much of a processor hog to be of any use to me. At work, where I have a P2-350 it takes nearly half of the processor (using TaskManager to check). WinAmp and Sonique only take about 5% (if even that high). You can get WMP down to about 30% if you turn off the equalizer, but then who would want to listen to flat music? WinAmp does have the smallest memory footprint, which is quite nice. Even Sonique tends to take over 10MB. Since I'm a coder, I'm more concerned with the processor utilization as even 30% of my processor really slows down compilation time. MusicMatch is utter crap, and I would never consider using that software for long. PlayCenter is actually a decent application, but I could never use it for my regular playback. It simply has no way to minimize itself, and I can't spare the desktop real-estate. Besides, I don't have an SBLive in both my machines, so it's not really an option. I do recommend their software for ripping, however. As far as a choice between WinAmp and Sonique go, I find that there is one overriding feature that ultimately makes my decision for me. I listen to a ton of music from Orbital, Underworld, and numerous other bands that tend to have songs that span tracks. As everyone is aware, WinAmp cannot do this without plugins, and I haven't found a decent plug-in that can actually do a good job of this. Until WA3 is released, there's really no other decent solution for me than to go with Sonique. A couple things though that can be learned from WMP is the ability to browse through all the albums stored on your drive, and load up playlist of those albums. It's a pain for me to have to create playlists for albums, store those in directories, and then browse to those directories every time I want to hear a specific "album" of MP3s. Neither WinAmp nor Sonique have this type of browsing, so there's room for improvement with both of them.

31st March 2001, 18:14	#8
Spitskull! Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 20	i should boot up winamp on my old 386 i think i have 1 mb of ram in it. or what about that machine with the indiviual ram chips rather than the simms that would be the day

31st March 2001, 18:19	#9
Spitskull! Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 20	oh, and on another note i checked winamp, and it takes between somewhere between 1% and 2% of my system resources on a celeron 500 ( 66 MHz bus > ) with 192 mb ram. i love it. if only freaking windows didn't take 70% of them, i would be in heaven. p.s. Macos X rules all. Now just port it to x86 and we'll be in business :P

3rd April 2001, 04:20	#11
btgfinch Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2	I think that nullsoft should try developing a movie player so we can do away w/ media player all together. some like wintube just and idea.

3rd April 2001, 12:16	#13
Rocker Hiding in plain sight (mod) Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 9,910	you do know that bill gates co-founded apple computer corp. don't you. I think he's very stingy not even reading my letter asking for a measily million dollars

3rd April 2001, 12:17	#14
Rocker Hiding in plain sight (mod) Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 9,910	this meant he had rights to stealing the UI

3rd April 2001, 17:37	#15
tiger84 Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: 101010 Posts: 750	ARE YOU STUPID Bill Gates was not a co-founder of Apple...he was part of the development team, but that was only so he could have stolen the GUI. Steve Jobs and somebody else were the co-founders. If life calls and you're busy, let the answering machine pick-up. Just so you know, my previous avatar was NOT a swastika, nor did it have much similarity to one. Just thought I'd clear that up since I cannot use my own original art work.

3rd April 2001, 20:12	#16
allanthecoolman Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 16	Why dont microsoft come up with a new player that does not copy off Nullsoft A few things Microsoft has copied from Nullsoft since WMP6.4: Skinable Visualizations Plugins A few things where Nullsoft tramples Microsoft: It's DSP Plugins It's Own Browser Easier to make skins for developers The Winamp Site Keeping The Downloaders Updated With News and more... So in conclusion of cause Winamp 1.0+ is even better than Media Player 7 and 8

3rd April 2001, 20:47	#17
ahilton Guest Posts: n/a	i agree that windows media player it cr*p. But musicmatch dukebox isnt! Its really good for ripping music CD's, and creates good MP3's fast.

5th April 2001, 02:19	#18
tiger84 Major Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: 101010 Posts: 750	CDex is the best I use CDex for ripping and encoding...it's flexible and easy to use and it uses the Lame encoder, and a few others. It too is fast, takes me around 30 to 40 seconds to encode a three minute song. If life calls and you're busy, let the answering machine pick-up. Just so you know, my previous avatar was NOT a swastika, nor did it have much similarity to one. Just thought I'd clear that up since I cannot use my own original art work.

5th April 2001, 08:14	#19
Twilightseer Frenchoderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Lavabo, fond du couloir, 3è porte à droite Posts: 6,309	I agree all the way: CDEX rules

5th April 2001, 21:18	#20
Shade Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Longview, TX (school) Posts: 192	ok. A couple things I have to say after reading these posts: 1. Wozniak was the other co-founder, not Gates. 2. Who hasn't stolen the skinning idea? 3. Who even started the skinning idea really? 4. WMP may not be great, but it works great for me for movies. 5. I have WA caching entire tracks to memory. The cpu usage barely registers and the memory usage is just more than the size of the track being played at the moment. I would never use WMP for music, but I have not used anything better for movies and when I am watching movies, I don't notice the memory usage since I am not doing anything else usually.

7th April 2001, 16:46	#22
Shade Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Longview, TX (school) Posts: 192	I use WMP to play asf, avi, mpeg, and divx files. Never have a problem unless the file is corrupted. I also never use WMV or WMA files.

7th April 2001, 23:36	#23
TomK Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 27	I still use WMP 6.4 for movies! WMP7 takes about 3 secs to swtch to fullscreen, but WMP6.4 does that in a flash. Also the keeboard shortcuts.. Can't pause with the spacebar or mouse click... WMP7 is just a mental satisfaction.

8th April 2001, 06:33	#25
Shade Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Longview, TX (school) Posts: 192	Maybe Microsoft got the idea of skins from any of the dozens of other things that were using skins. It is not like winamp held the market on skins in any way. You cannot say that the concept of plugins stems from WA. What do you think DLL files are? They have been around since long before storing whole music files on a computer was even concieved of.

9th April 2001, 06:02	#26
OO7TDD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Behind A Filter Which Blocks Out The Light Posts: 165	Don't worry abot wmp 8 being avalible. wmp 8 is only avalible in windows xp and wont be a free upgrade for win 9x. the wmp 8 that came in windows whilter beta 2 is not the fianl realese of wmp 8 so thats why its so much like 7. wmp has never really been anyone choice for music but its great for divx in my opinion. Nevermind What I Do For I'm An Ignorent Fool.

13th April 2001, 19:14	#27
AmpliDex Major Dude Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 543	Windows Media Player 8 is not going to make any difference at all! Even RealJukebox and Sonique are way better than Micrsoft's piece of crap! So there will be no difference at all! However, I wonder if Windows Me users can access WMP 8? But for now, I use RealJukebox 2, Winamp 2.74, Sonique 1.90, and Winamp 3 ALPHA 5! Is alpha 6 out yet? Webgraph E-mail/MSN: robnet10@mail.com ICQ: 87028626 (Use with AIM) Yahoo: webgraph10

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