Bad bad movies !!!

[Xerxes]

And I don't see our historical world with historically incorrect emperors, chronologically incorrect wars being fought in germania, incorrect thumbs down/up cliches, etc etc etc

[rm']

Boo you. If I wanted to see flying people, I'll go to the Cirque de Soleil, or the ballet. If I want historical accuracy, I'll go the library.

[Xerxes]

And we want to see ART in the form of MOTION PICTURE, we go to the movies, right?

[ElChevelle]

Quit being a hypocrite, RM.

Don't dog "Tiger,Dragon" unless you've seen it. Did you know that "The Matrix" used wires out the ass? I didn't see you bitchin about that one. And to compare U-571 to Das Bootjust because they both are U-boat flicks?

[rm']

hypocriteRM (why doesn't that work as well as with jaz's name?) says:

That's because I haven't started to chew it out yet. It had it's flaws too. As for U-571; like I said, it's too patronizing. I wasn't comparing it to Das Boot, I was just implying that if you want to see a real naval warfare type movie, see it.

[ElChevelle]

U571 was apparently made for non-navy types. Being ex-navy myself, I found it to be that way though I realized that some people just wouldn't know a bow plane from a ballast tank. It was based on a true story making it a real naval movie. You want a patronizing sub movie, watch "Operation Pacific" with John Wayne. Propaganda at it's best despite being made after WWII.
I loved Das Boot, Red October, AND U-571. All great submerged thrills.

[ElChevelle]

By the way, more High wire acts.....
[*]Jet Li was at home on a wire in "Romeo Must Die"
A film I liked because of it's Xray effects of damage being done to the innards of people who are inflicted with fists, elbows, and steel.
[*]Steven Seagal got his first wire fitted in "Exit Wounds"
The old boy was fitted for a wire due to the effects needed for this pic and the fact that his age makes him less than what he used to be.
[*]Karl Wallenda died 23 years ago when he fell off the high wire between hotels in San Juan, Puerto Rico. Here's an old pic of Karl at work:

[Xerxes]

Like, what a well reasearched and informative post, chevelle. Crouching tiger's distinction with its high wire acts though was that the only computer effect used in the movie was the digital "erasing" of the wire- in other words the "special effects" were provided by the actors. I think they used stunt doubles for what, 1 shot? (THere was a little CGwork done in 2 shots where there were perspective tricks, but they are minor) When you see people balancing on real high bamboo and realize they are actually doing that with their own balance... and acting at the same time... well... it makes for a striking and very beautiful, artful shot.

[rm']

Originally posted by ElChevelle
I realized that some people just wouldn't know a bow plane from a ballast tank.

Red October was great.

[rm']

Can't forget Midway, one of the greatest naval flicks of all time. It was a mix of warships and airplanes, but it was great nonetheless. It used real footage from the war, and was done in terrific documentary style shooting.

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

I saw Enemy At The Gates earlier today... It was pretty good. I dunno about historical accuracy, but I liked it.

[Xerxes]

A lot of it was accurate, incuding the presence of Nikita Khruschev. The one thing that spoiled it for em was the distracting romance (And one PAINFUL looking sex scene...) [een our mother ra-sha, sex ees hard work!]

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

[ecstatic]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
To be precise, Matrix got 4 academy awards for:
Best Editing, Best Sound Effects, Best Visual Effects and Best sound.

Exactly, it's just eye candy.

[the real Slade]

Originally posted by sgtfuzzbubble99
Jackie Chan rules!

Yes... Yes he does...



oh u back with mary... now i anit been on here for a
while... wait u live in america dont you... um was that a
while ago???

[Bilbo Baggins]

SEX

[ElChevelle]

And now, a tribute to Seer's "bad bad movie":

[MamiyaOtaru]

for a really bad film, see Loser

the Matrix: good. For a blockbuster. It was a blockbuster because it was good. It sure reminded me of Ghost in the Shell

Crouching Tiger: Very good. fantasy. No worse than any movie that contains magic, or ghosts, ESP or aliens. If we reject stuff we don't see in real life, there goes LOTR, Sixth Sense, Star Wars, the Matrix, Dr Zhivago, uhm why can't I think of any really good films to list here
anyway, the wires were not what the movie was about. It was about emotions I thought, with action to keep people like my dad from falling asleep. (rejects Jane Austen flicks as films where people ride horses and talk a lot)

Gladiator: good. Doesn't claim to be historically accurate, it is entertainment.

Payback, prolly would have been a bit better if Gibson hadn't hijacked it from the director (what's his name) and made it Lethal Weapon 5. Well, better in an artsy kinda way, so maybe more boring.. It was good as it ended up.

French Films: That three set, Red, Blue, and White- what was that? Saw them, put me out real fast. What good is a movie if it can't hold my attention (ADD), makes no sense, is completely random etc. Asterix.. haha!
____________________
two thumbs down cliche

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Slade-
Yes, I'm with Mary again.

BB-
No, it's not just for sex.

Chev-
Cool.


P.S.- Yes, I live in the US... unfortunately.

[Twilightseer]

Mamiya

"Ghost in the shell" was great.
"Payback" was directed by Brian Helgeland (and is a big piece of crap, imho )
"Asterix" is a real turd. Only French filmmakers can shoot movies like this

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Seer-
I think you should just stop watching movies...

[Bizznatch]

here's a list of movies to stay away from:

Best In Show
Sweet November
Blair Witch 2
The Pledge
Screwed
Loser
3000 Miles to Graceland
102 Dalmatians
Sugar And Spice
Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat Annihalation
Hannibal

[rm']

Hannibal was fantastico. There was alot of deep meaning in it, mostly in parallel to italian medieval/renaissance art. Fantastico.

As for Crouching Tiger... sure, fantasy is great. But flying people? That's just wrong. Not because it's not realistic (movies aren't about realism; they're about telling a story), but because it's over used/cliche'd/whatever. It's like that freeze/spin thing that went on a while ago. Wire work doesn't do it much for me anymore. But, as Xerxes knows very well, I strongly believe that when violence is shown onscreen, it must reflect the reality. It's violent, ungainly, and brutal; not graceful and honorable.

[ElChevelle]

Seer, you should never ever go see another movie again if you hated "The Matrix" AND "Payback"

[rm']

I'd like to take this time to point out that even though the Matrix was a huge piece of overrated mediocrity, I'm still going to buy the DVD. As soon as I get a DVD player, of course
Why? Cuz it was a work of art, for Hollywood standards, and will surely be called a classic in due time.

And Seer, you must be a nutcase to think Payback sucked
Honestly; stop seeing movies. You're only setting yourself up for disappointment.

[ecstatic]

Stop whining. (Oops, forgot this is the Bitchlist ) You haven't seen a bad movie until you've seen "Soul Taker".

The horror!

[Xerxes]

Godernit RM, sometimes i wonder- how you could enjoy... say
theatre. If you've ever watched any play with fighting, its just gestures and exaggerated movements to represent fighting. Crouching tiger plays out much like a theatre production- there are elaborated and choreographed fight scenes, and then instead of "Character: Exit Scene" in a theatre you have "Character: Fly Away"

Violence can be brutal, violence can be artsy. Sex scenes can be amorous and idealized, or they can be hard core sweaty grinding action (Enemy at the gates comes close ) Crouching tiger is so much more about storyline
then it is about wires- the flying is just an airy brush stroke on a much larger canvas. There is a place and time for different portrayals of different aspects of different
things.

And as far as wire work goes, if you must be so concerned about that- comparing the wire work done in this movie to the wire work in the Matrix is like comparing the mona lisa to something I painted- crouching tiger employs it much
more and much more refined. People here are doing very complex, beautiful moves in lovely locations. These movements have been compared to ballet by many people. in the matrix, they employ it in conjunction with that rotating camera trick that GAP commercials invented. There are also 1 or 2 big leaps in the matrix accomplished with wires- and stunt devils. Not to disparage the matrix, of course- All of that stuff worked great in that movie.
But to write tiger off simply because "Wire works been done"
is really quite sad.

BTW RM, did you actually SEE tiger?

[ElChevelle]

No doubt, did you actually go to see it? or just write it off after seeing the trailer?

[PBKramer]

The Avengers
Chicken Run

[rm']

Originally posted by Xerxes
These movements have been compared to ballet by many people.

My point exactly
Ballet has no place on the screen. The same reason I didn't see Billy Elliot.

[Xerxes]

And that just about settles it doesn't it...

and you never saw it either- in other words, your are basing your opinion completely on the trailer, hype, and secondhand description...

not something I would personally form a very strong opinion on, but thats just me... ^_^

[Twilightseer]

Well, well, well...

The fact that I didn't like two movies that MOST people enjoyed(but not all, fortunately ) doesn't mean that I hate ALL movies. What I hate is BAD or OVERRATED movies.
I love watching movies in general but if what I see is crap, then I'll say it. And if it's awesome, I'll say it too. Simple

Sarge

[sgtfuzzbubble011]

Hehe...

You guys don't know shit about bad movies. Wanna see a really fucking awful cliched stupid plotless overacted underbudgeted movie? Watch any mexican movie produced from 1970 to 1990, any of em. If you don't see a overweight wrestler fighting midgets, a fat bitch showing her boobs for no apparent reason, a football (soccer) player or a mechanic repairing a car while havin a beer and showin off with his friends about how many sluts he screwed behind his wife's back (all of them being of the fat-chick type i mentioned before), you're not watching a mexican movie. That's 2 decades of b-movies baby, yeah. Try to match that.

[fuct'n'bored]

i'm pised off with everyone dissin some of my fav movies so i decided to think of movies which it is impossible to dislike. I came up with usual suspects and clerks(can any one truthfuly say thay didint like those moves??)so i chalange any one to find a bad point in ither of those movies

[Twilightseer]

Clerks is great. Really hilarious indeed.

Usual Suspects is highly, highly overrated. You can guess from the start who the "culprit" is, which makes the movie quite useless then. It was far from being as subtle and clever as people said. It takes much more than that to impress me.

[fuct'n'bored]

how about feild of dreams?

[ElChevelle]

Originally posted by fuct'n'bored
how about feild of dreams?

I haven't seen that, but "Field of dreams" wasn't bad.

[ElChevelle]

Originally posted by Twilightseer
Usual Suspects is highly, highly overrated. You can guess from the start who the "culprit" is, which makes the movie quite useless then. It was far from being as subtle and clever as people said. It takes much more than that to impress me.

*rubs temple, thinks the cop is gonna drop his coffee cup*
*rubs temple, sees timid, retard as Soze*
*rubs temple, thinks Usual Suspects is predictable?*

PLEASE don't tell me you liked Titannic.

[Twilightseer]

You can guess from the start who Soze is. At least, I did.