MIKE...

[garetjax]

What the fuck dude...

look at this
http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.j...ponentId=63987

My skin is rated 2 1/2 stars from winamp staff.

I thought that shit didn't happen unless you rip / used skinner exe or bullshit

fuck this...you guys have got to be fucking kidding with this.

I mean its one thing to hear it from the miriad reviews of the members and quite another to get a review from the staff like this.

Thanks a Fucking lot AOL/WINAMP

<< I'm done with this shit.

[Mr Jones]

I see you rated it yourself before it got published, 2nd of June your comments. Haven't you been reading the threads around here?, it's been mentioned a number of times that if you rate something before it gets published it fucks around with the "average" rating that all skins are being published with at the minute.

You got's to wait for the "average" publishing rating, before you go tooting your own trumpet and rating your own stuff. It's one of the reason's why I 've stopped promoting my stuff in here before it's published.

Oh and I don't see any winamp review?, am I missing something?

To bad dood

[garetjax]

Thanks for the offer of information Jones...

Whether or not its affecting the average or not...

I'm definatly done submitting my skins to winamp.com. I am not upset at anyone in particular. I just belive its going to be awhile before I submit another skin to its completion.

All User Opinions - Reviews 1 - 5 of 78 [Next]

***NOTICE*** posted on June 20, 2001 @ 19:55 PM
***I have deleted all my other skins on winamp.com.*** One of my skins that were completely skinned was rated as though it were done by a skinner.exe program. I am through with submitting skins to winamp.com. If your interested you can find me ranting in the skin love forum. ***Notice the only skins left on this system are Slick Series 2 / Shiznat / GreedMonkey *** Thank you all for your interest in my designs and your help.

...I will eventually delte the other two...Shiznat / Greedmonkey

I will allow greedmonkey to submit it himself or promote it on his website. Thank You again Jones...for the offer of info.

[garetjax]

All my skins are deleted minus slick series 2, greedmonkey, and shiznat.

My god took forever...but, got them all. Anyways...I think I will still be doing skins but, it will be more on a request and I will have the user that requested it sumbit it in their name. The only thing that I will keep with my name on it will be the readme.txt file that I will include in each skin. The reason why I do this measure is because, with the many issues that Winamp.com has it still hasn't addressed them. Yes, yes we have addressed the rips but how much of a problem was that in the first place. Sure, people change my skin and re-upload it. Big deal...they never get good rating anyways and if they do well, fine. Ideally the reviewer would know that this is a rip. But, there are to many out there to now them all. I think the biggest issues to this system currently have to do with rating and submissions.

Truth be told winamp is winamp because, of its skinning base when the website was lost a couple of years ago...they lost I'd say about 33% of their user base because, winamp members couldn't find skins...etc. So, they move to jetaudio, wmp7, sonique and others. This being so, right now the issues aren't in the area of the user base but, in the core of the system itself. The guys who make the program what it truly is.

I mean for example WA3 is not even a stable platform yet you have literallly hundreds of skinners working on skinning for it. However, the engine is pretty much the same as it is for wmp7. Why not just move over to Microsoft's system. Its far better as far as submission/review systems. And the platform for which you'd be working with is assuredly tested and sound.

I'm not pissed at the developers of the site or even members, I'm just saying that their comes a time when enough is enough. And so far winamp.com has shown me personally nothing to keep me interested in even trying to stick this out.

I mean come on...I don't build an application half-ass....I make sure that the intention of the product is the most functioning and productive piece of it. Now, that having been said your submission base is truly your reason for having a website otherwise you could just point everyboyd to download.cnet.com for the latest version of winamp.com.

So to everyone I say sure my actions are drastic but to me its a step that keeps me sane.

Done with this ranting...

(As if anyone cares about my thoughts on the matter anyways)

[cyana]

not good to make decisions in anger
calm down - life isn't a rating at winamp.com

sure everyone wants to see her/his skin at the first place but this should not be the reason why you design skins. When you leave winamp then nothing will change. If you are unhappy with the situation, then stay and work on it. This forum already was successful regarding skin rips - and I'm sure that we can achieve a lot more things as long as we do not give up

[flatmatt]

Besides, rating panel coming soon...

[garetjax]

I took them off in preparation for a change of the system. I just won't submit components, new, old or otherwise to winamp.com until I can visibly see a change that we all can benefit from. I understand that you think my choice is made out of anger. Well, yah...a bit. But, it is made with clear head and thoughtful deliberation. Yes, I am indeed quite pissed at winamp.com in general. I want the fairest of possible choices for my art. Right now, fair isn't apart of winamp. @ least at many other sites I have a chance of someone using them, getting them. Currently, to many unknown push the skins into obscurity lost in the depths of the miriad others. Indeed I am looking for a change, currently as Garet Jax I can no longer see one and have as many enemies it seems that care to create more argument with me than to listen. I appreciate and welcome your thoughts and have listened to a great deal many more concerns and suggestions. But just sitting here and takin it up the ole rimmer was not in my play book by any accounts. I'd rather have my skins visible from my own obscure site if that is what is going to happen to them on an extremely visible one such as winamp.com. Either way same scenario.

Don't you realize that the Most Popular Category really won't change ?

I mean for gods sake Slick Series 2 is in the most popular...not that I am bagging my own work...but, there are quite a few examples of better in my mind that will never reach the light of the users it was intended for because the most popular will continue to grow... How do you think we will ever seen another most popular skin?

...I for one think that in my case my skin although nice and I love the remarks and visibility is unfair to many users who have made better. I cannot submit to a system that is for the most part like being apart of the in crowd. Currently, the skins that are there are the in crowd with no exception to allow more.

...that is just my take on it...but, then again who am I?

When the system seems to be functional I will again resubmit all of my work as my various names permit. However, until then...I will be in the skin love forum...taking requests and working from that.


To answer on the Review Panel Possibility flatmatt:
Pipe dreams are kewl until you smoke them.


Here is another tidbit...

For 5 Star Skins...There will never be such an animal as long as user ratings have anything to do with them.

Joe W. Garrett

[ampburner]

That is one big rant....I don't feel like reading it...because It prolly contains everything I've read in previous threads by other ppl.

Just wanted to say that I too feel your pain, but my advice is : don't let it get to you, and wait until the new system gets here. In the mean time, stick around, and put all that energy into your skins instead of into rants....

[Greedmonkey]

I read the whole thing, and seems like a lot of you have reason to be pissed off,

In the mean time, stick around, and put all that energy into your skins instead of into rants....

am I right in thinking that possibly, Garet has submitted more skins than most ppl here? I think it was about 140 skins that he has, and yes before someone jumps on it, good quality, jeese I feel like I have to cover every smart arse comeback before it's been writen yet, PARANOIA lol

I think that perhaps it would have been nice if someone had shown a little support here, and perhaps tried to sort that band review out, or even find out why it is reviews so low?

Kris

[garetjax]

Big deal so its a rant. Yes, I am upset, yes I am saying something, and yes someone is definatly gonna get their two cents in and say something. Someone will definatly get pissy, someone else will be pissed at me and one more person will learn to dislike me.

Its all a matter of viewpoint...In my view nothing has changed until you see it.

You say its all going to change on the review panel...hmm that is interesting considering that the changes came from aboout 1% of the user base of the skin users / developers. Does this benefit everyone? Is it fair to adopt a system that sin't approved to everyone. ? I think not.

Yeah, jax is an asshole another person for whom to throw your angst at. Go for it...I really don't give a shit in the first place. I feel I have to say something or no one will. Sure some have said something before etc. But, they are always downplayed by you guys. Oh its going to change, etc etc...

Going to change gives no meaning when staring at the fault in the system currently. I mean what definition have been given to us concerning the 'change' ... ?

When its fixed I will again use winamp, its skins and its website to promote my own addition to the users of the product. Until then I will make them but, I do not think that I will find it as productive and engaging to publish anything of mine into a system that breeds inferiority, theft and bullshit attitudes.

Joe W. Garrett
'suck it down'

[ampburner]

Originally posted by garetjax
Is it fair to adopt a system that sin't approved to everyone. ? I think not.

You don't think it's fair? Well I have news for you...you can't have it both ways! You disaprove of both systems...yet you complain about the current one, without posting suggestions for a new system... get real.

I feel I have to say something or no one will. Sure some have said something before etc. But, they are always downplayed by you guys. Oh its going to change, etc etc...

You haven't been here as long as I have. You haven't seen all the ranting and arguing about the rating system. You may think you're a pioneer that "says what needs to be said"....well, been there, done that. The reason why I stopped complaining is that I've learned that whining doesn't change the situation. Work on the system IS being done. Just have some patience. Because your rant sure isn't going to have ANY positive effect.

Yeah, jax is an asshole another person for whom to throw your angst at.

Whatever... You aren't taking any of my comments seriously and your response to my post is hostile, even though I've been nice to you from the day you got here. If you're not going to treat me with respect, that's YOUR problem...so
talk to my hand please...coz I aint listening anymore.

[garetjax]

dude, I have nothing against you. And no I don't think I'm pioneering anything...Just putting down the issue. And I had submitted my thoughts on the system countless times, but they were summarily dismissed.

I am no proposing anything becuase, as you said its changing. I will just wait and see what will come about becuase, of these changes. Until then it doesn't seem there is a viable and equal solution for anyone.

I don't think its fair to those that have no say. And to answer (no anger intended) yeah I can have it both ways. And if everyone does the normal of shutting up it does do nothing if not keep quite the problems seen here.

Sure you've been here a long time...granted you know of many a things that are wrong. I have been here a great deal of time amp...Just not in the forums.

The last sentiment from is concerning how everyone always takes offense to something someone else says online and immediately takes it as thought they are the subject for which the anger/upset is the center of. To be honest I have no one person to point my finger at anyways...

I do not recall answering or submitting a reply directly to you, about you, of you, dealing with you or etc. Your assumptions are incorrect amp. I cannot respect you? I don't know you enough to make a decision on that.

Listen or not...your choice...

[ampburner]

It's just that I'm getting tired of everyone's comments or critiscism on the system. It is old news. There is no need for ranting....

if everyone does the normal of shutting up it does do nothing if not keep quite the problems seen here.

Let me assure you that work is being done, they ARE working at it. Complaining even MORE will not help the situation. Things WILL change. Trust me.

I do not recall answering or submitting a reply directly to you, about you, of you, dealing with you or etc. Your assumptions are incorrect amp. I cannot respect you? I don't know you enough to make a decision on that.

Fair enough. Maybe I jumped to conclusions and overreacted. Forgive me?

here have a vodka on me :

friends? ( )

[garetjax]

I know its all been done before and in no way really will this change much except to possibly confuse some. I just can't help myself as of late.

But, I think that taking off my skins for now is perhaps, a good option until "i feel comfortable" with the current situation that winamp.com needs to correct for me. I know, I know I bitch way to much, but is in my nature to want excellence from something that I have seen carry that torch for awhile now.

expectations kill us all...
assumptions wake us up...
and overestimating makes for blind ignorance..

[ampburner]

Don't you like vodka? Mind if I take yours then?

[garetjax]

On the rocks barkeep....with a twist of lime.

mmmm



...hey, amp...in truth I respect ya...and your design. You and a few others are always indulging us fellow assholes. But, don't let that out as it may hamper my style.

LMAO

Jax

[cappy17]

Now that you're cooling off , I just want to add one little comment:

I fail to see how removing your skins from Winamp solves anything.

There are people out there who haunt the 3 and 4-star hells of Winamp. Or randomly enter numbers in the URL. Or maybe follow a link long forgotten by the rest of us. Or perform searches in the database.

The point being, some one, somewhere, has never heard of garetjax or joe garret, but will stumble across one of your skins. It will inspire them. To use it on their desktop. To make a skin that good. Or maybe just to make their day a little bit better.

By pulling your skins, you remove that chance to improve the world and nothing is gained in return. AOL doesn't care if your skins are here or gone.

They are your skins and you have the right to do with them as you please. I can understand, even share, your frustration and rage at what has happened and continues to happen. But pulling your skins spites only yourself.

I'm done now.

[simon snowflake]

I agree with cappy, and also understand why you are out of the game for a while Garetjax.

[garetjax]

Oh I understand all to well the arguments for and against what I have done. but, I really believe that I need to again find my own reasons for doing this stuff. Call it losing your edge or whatever, but my designs suffer when my frustration overwhelms me. Making art is 90% emotion and 10% skill in my own world. When that emotion is negative or unknown you cannot do well by anyone. Taking off my skins gives me the ability to rethink each one and possibly in the future actually decide to put them back (if I decide to come back). My current decision is based upon frustration and anger yes. But, my choice was made a long time ago...I just lacked the heart to do it.


As with the short comings in winamp.com I have my own and sought to get rid of them. Again thanks guys, I really do not know if my time in the forums is over yet. Currently, I can only see that it would be a good thing to do so.


Ah well...

cappy:
I'm not looking to solve winamps problems just my own with the issues I see on winamp. The bad reviews of my skins (all of them) must mean something and I am going to learn for myself why it is that I feel something is wrong with them.

[cappy17]

Awww Joe, you're your own worst critic.

Thanks for the reasoned reply. Take your time, regroup, re-energize. Do find a way to share your work with the world.

[Greedmonkey]

The works out there, we all have skins by G, I would have thought, and old work is nothing to sit upon, move on up, get better, feel differently, perhaps ppl need change, I think things happen for a reason, thing is all you gys are in here, and all of you don't like the sitch, so why not make your own site, I mean thats how the web started, I am sure between all of you, that something more to your liking could be made or created to showcase skins, not a on a star system or a critque level, but just cause you all make reall cool skins, me thinks that this could be done if you worked together

Kris
I know just the man who could be very benificial in this kinda project aswell