...suspicious

[Forevever]

I'm starting to believe that winamp waits around until XX# people upload/submit XX# skins before they go and update the most recent catagory. If anyone has been there in the last 2 weeks, they'll have the misfortune of viewing the largest bunch of crap ever stuck there for this long. With the exception of effort made by one or two of them, I'm looking at skins obviously created with a skinner, not even very good pictures, getting over 20,000 (YES FOLKS THATS TWENTY THOUSAND) downloads.

Where the hell is the logic in the posting. Are you people at winamp this busy? What other areas of the site have you been updating? Hook me up with some software and I'll post your new skins daily. Hell, if you pay me enough I'll do it hourly. The real skinners are getting screwed.

And to all those people who use skinner.exe, I'd like to send out a hearty
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[Mr Jones]

read this thread....

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=54495

and all the threads linked in it, this next thread has an offical nullsoft response.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=53490

[Forevever]

I've read the recommended threads, beginning to end.
Sounds to me like a bunch of excuses. Regardless of obvious issues, its no way to run a business. I guess I have to agree with the popular opinion that Winamp just doesn't care.
The threads mention that they only have a few people working to maintain the database. Then hire some people. If money is a problem, find some more advertisers. Sure people will complain about the advertisers too, but it would beat the hell out of the BS we're going through now.
I don't share most of the concerns of the average winamp skinner. I couldn't care less if I only get a half a star, I don't care about the review system or the people who "bomb it", - cause like the threads say "people will download if they like it, regardless of the rating".

MY ISSUE, remaining the same as always, IS THAT MY SKINS ARE NOT GETTING SEEN AT ALL. They're not getting on the "most recent" list. They're NOT showing up when I do searches.

You can tell me not to bitch, but if we didn't complain, then nothing would get done at all. Winamp may not fix the problem anyway, but at least I'm making an effort.

You can tell me to take my skins somewhere else, but to me, the validity of a skin is based on the date it was published by this site. Especially when it comes to skins being "ripped".

You can tell the people at NS to spend some time creating update software for winamp skins, and I guarantee that SKIN LOVERS everywhere will volunteer their time to update the site. I'll be one of the first to sign up.

You tell them that I write HTML in my sleep, Javascript with some effort, I have experience with various other programming languages, and type up to 115 wpm.

There's my resume. Now they have no excuse.

[Mr Jones]

Heh are you looking for a change in the reviews or submitting a resume there .

Bottom line, in the big picture of on-line business, skins aint worth jack to the money men, and so probably don't figure to high on the AOL .plan, don't forget AOL own Nullsoft, AOL pay Nullsoft wages, what AOL asks Nullsoft to do will more than likely take priority, this is a money making business after all.

Why did AOL buy Nullsoft?, allow me to quote....

Originally posted AOL press office.
The Company said that these acquisitions will extend its leadership in Internet music both now and into the future by making next-generation music features available to consumers of all its brands, providing a wide range of new audio and other applications and functionality to its partners, and helping to develop key music capabilities for AOL Anywhere devices and broadband initiatives in the future.

Bob Pittman, President and Chief Operating Officer of AOL
Combining these leading Internet music brands with the audience reach of our brands will lift music online to the next level of popularity. We plan to build downloadable music, Internet radio and overall music features into each of our brands, as well as customize them for the audience and partners of each of our brands. We especially welcome these companies' strong management, technology and programming teams, who will be key to the development of our next-generation music features for our existing brands, AOL Anywhere devices, and other broadband initiatives.''

Or in other words, "we bought NS because they make shit hot app's and we wanna keep pace with the other emerging OS providers" AOL has it's eye on the future, and it's eye on making a $, it makes sense for them to ask there employees to concentrate on stuff that makes the $, other stuff is just side project, harsh that may be, but that's how things work in the big world,after all how much money do you think AOL makes off skins?, how much money do you think AOL will make off signing people up to it's internet services if it offers a better all round package that might just include some swanky media player as part of the incentive?

Ask any executive what he'd rather see, 40000 correctly rated skins or 40,000 new signed up users to AOL, and I'm pretty sure which way he would jump.

And before you say in return well "boo hiss sucks to AOL for buying NS", consider that without AOL funding NS probably wouldn't be here and in the position it's in now.

Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the review system, I think it's as bad as you do, funny thing is, it was the users who cried out for public reviews 9 months ago or so, and when it arrived it was greeted as the second coming, the saviour of the stale skins database, I could go digging in the forum database and drag out some old threads from people who were begging for a change, some of these self same people are now the ones who are asking for it to be changed back, can't have it both ways, this is massive database management, can't go changing it everytime something dosn't aggree with an end user, a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Ok rant over, time to end with a

[LaevisX]

Good post, sometimes when we get so involved with what we do we loose sight of the big picture, and the fact is that in the big picture right now, there are already so many good skins available on the winamp.com site that AOL couldn't give a rat's arse (me neither, if I was in their shoes) whether new skins are coming out or not.

Oh well, I guess all we can do is make more noise and hope someone up there will get annoyed enough to do something about the problem

[Forevever]

Mind you, I couldn't give a fuck about the rating or reviews. Like I said, what pisses me off is the fact that my skins are not being seen at all.

As for AOL owning NS, yeah I heard about that somewhere or something. Which only ticks me off more.

I mean come on now. I don't know what the numbers are right now, but in March of 2000, there were 22 Million people signed online. I'm sure at least HALF of those were strictly on AOL.

At $21.95 a pop, I think they can fucking afford a decent database.

Don't you?

[Forevever]

$23.95 a month x 11,000,000 = $263,450,000.00

263 mil a month. lets not even mention the advertisers and the fact that Microsoft and every commercial retailer is shoving the free AOL software down your throat. cause Lord knows AOL couldn't possibly survive on 263 million a month, right?

and how much money do you think AoL is making off those porn spammers? you think those people can just anonymously send their emails to every single AOL user at the same time through knowledge or luck? I highly doubt it.

[skinme!]

Forever, you cannot complain about the state of the Winamp database and AOL's takeover of Nullsoft simultaneously.

I'm going to paint a very hideous picture for you all now. If you are of a naïve nature or have suicidal tendancies, I recommend that you do not read on.

Life without Winamp by skinme!
You turn on your computer. You start up your browser. You get a 404 on your start-up page, because without Winamp Nullsoft no longer exists. You move on to another site, probably microsoft.com. You spend a couple of hours downloading WMP7 or Sonique or someother bad music app. Why? Because Winamp is no more! You finally install it, and wait you can't find that skin you always loved, I think it was called Connect-X , because it was a Winamp only skin. You start your music. It doesn't sound very good. Why? Because it's not Winamp, it's WMP7 or Sonique or RealPlayer etc.

Do you not see thatn that picture is equal to life without AOL buying Nullsoft. Nullsoft could not support itself without the financial aid of one of the world's largest internet companies.

Why waste your energy bitching about AOL. I know their internet service is crap and so will eventually those who use it. But life without Winamp is worse.

If you're feelin' low, have a vodka on me! Just say skinme!'s paying for it when he returns!

[Forevever]

ok thats nice and all except the only reason I do use winamp is for the opportunity to design the interface. which is the only reason I learned HTML. which is the only reason I am learning Javascript, and the only reason I know Visual Basics.

so without Nullsoft winamp, I would load up my Napster software, load all of my MP3's (not sharing or online) and listen away.

[skinme!]

Then it is your loss, not mine. And seeing as you just said you only use Winamp for interface design why should nullsoft aim to please you?

[Forevever]

supply and demand. why do we aim to please anyone? just because my motives are not popular or agreed with, doesn't make my opinion any less valid.

[simon snowflake]

and don't forget that winamp is free to download and use now!!! And its easy to skin and they even support it!!!

But i still hate this reviewing system. But i don't care any more. I'll just remove my skis if they are to deep down.

[skinme!]

Originally posted by simon snowflake
I'll just remove my skis

You can take your skis, just be sure to leave your skins

[Forevever]

LOL!!

Don't mind me anyway. I go off on a tangent for a while, then forget what I was pissed off at in the first place.

Until it irks me again..
And it probably will.

[simon snowflake]

oops.
Ther is a excuse for that:
My pc is in the livingroom a the moment. The monitor is half behind a couch and my key bord is resting partially on the coach and partially on my lab.
I've got to turn my head about 120 degrees to go from the keybord to the monitor. and well, you miss things then.
lol

[skinme!]

yeah... i once had a similar setup... no wait that's called by bedroom... it doesn't do mcuh for the neck...or the typing

[simon snowflake]

I put it here just because i wanted to see some DVD's on my TV. But i'm to lazy to bring the PC back to the room it supposed to be in.

[Forevever]

Originally advertised by simon snowflake
check smooth graphics

I like it for starters. I bet its going to be awesome when its finished.

I think your best skin is purple heaven, although they're all pretty damn good. Except Buffy. She's gotta go. Even the croq's are cuter :P