In "plainer" language?

CletusYokel · 16th February 2002, 03:05

I am looking for set-up help in a simpler language that what I have seen on other threads. SHOUT looks like my best bet and I have loaded, configured and checked the software. Everything works.

I have perused the obligatory "How to Set-up" and "server/providers" threads. They make sense for the most part but it appears that "streams" = "users" and "listeners" and that I need $100+ per month just to get "on the air".

My situation is: Would like to broadcast voice (vox) programming - talk radio - for about 30-60 minutes once a week. I have no idea of the number of "listeners" but would guess about 25 to start. Broadcast would be over dial-up connection from my PC to my ISP so best speed will be 53 kbps but more likely 24k or 32k (equivalent to clear-channel AM radio, right?).

I would prefer to use my PC as the server (1.2G P4; 30G HD; 256M RAM running WinXP), my soundcard/recorder for microphone and AIM for "listener" input.

Is this endeavor possible? I have a possible server (private) to use but I would have to demonstrate the broadcast's viability before he would consider changing its config to support Shoutcast streaming.

Cletus

16th February 2002, 03:14

The Shoutcast server (also referred to as the Shoutcast DNAS) is what takes the bandwidth load; this cannot be ran on a system with a dial up. If you want to stream from your system then there is only one continuous stream from the Winamp (and the Shoutcast DSP) to the server. From there people connect to your server system. If you have something to run the server on that can meat the requirements there should be no cost to Shoutcasting. The bandwidth requirements for the server depend on the bitrate and the number of listeners (bitrate * listeners) + overhead.

Did I cover everything?

CletusYokel · 16th February 2002, 16:58

Everything? Maybe.

So I can't Shoutcast direct through my dial-up for "mass consumption" because I need more bandwidth than is available to a regular PC using dial-up? (yes; no). Can I broadcast *anything* right now using the default DNAS connections found in the software?

My thought was to broadcast from my PC - through my dial-up - to get the hang of the whole system. I would start out broadcasting to a handful of listeners before "going public" (which will actually be an extremely limited audience and I would "advertise" directly to this audience). When I go public, I would then see about leasing server time or talking a few of my friends into server access through their hardware.

If my ISP provides webspace, can this be configured to handle streaming bandwidth? (yes; no)

What I hear you saying is that I cannot, in any way, broadcast from my PC through the Shoutcast DNAS without a configured server; that I can't just go to my basement now, connect to the default DNAS found on the software and start broadcasting. (yes; no)

Cletus

16th February 2002, 17:09

Yes
No
Yes

The Shoutcast DNAS is the Shoutcast server. That is what you need as a server for the listeners. That is the ONLY server you need. The Shoutcast DSP connects to the server and the listeners connect to the server.

CletusYokel · 16th February 2002, 17:44

To sum up (and to add to your frustration of newbies):

I can connect to the web through my ISP and have WinAmp connect to the Shoutcast DNAS. I can then transmit to that server but if I want someone to listen to a live broadcast there, it will cost me so I need to make arrangements ($$) with Shoutcast; or...

I can obtain a server from a provider (who may or may not charge me) and I would need to connect directly to that server (through my ISP dial-up) as well as have my audience go to that server using the magic of IP addressing. As long as the server is configured, bandwidth use depends on the number of listeners.

Cletus

Shirow · 16th February 2002, 18:28

This is how it works.

Here is you.

HELLO I AM RUNNING A MACHINE WITH THE WINAMP DSP.

Here is someone else, with a good connection to the internet (like a T1, T3 or something higher. Not dialup.)

HELLO I AM RUNNING A MACHINE WITH THE SHOUTCAST DNAS.

You connect to the DNAS with the DSP. There is no 'default' shoutcast server. You have to have access to one. You *cannot* run it on dialup.

This would mean either:

A) Having a friend with a big connection (DSL/Cable doesn't really count)

B) Spending money.

The short answer is, you cannot do it on your webspace. It's technically possible, if you had shell access, but you'd use so much bandwidth they'd charge you $10000000 a month anyway.

CletusYokel · 16th February 2002, 20:43

Got it!

Need to call my buddies with bandwidth access or talk to my company about running a T3 line to my house. Good thing they are in the bandwidth business - like they would cut *me* a deal the stingy clymers.

Cletus

Shirow · 16th February 2002, 23:06

DSL or Cable is enough to stream *out* - it's running the server that's the intense part. To do it relatively cheaply, take a look at www.streamguys.com or www.mediacast1.com

16th February 2002, 03:05	#1
CletusYokel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	In "plainer" language? I am looking for set-up help in a simpler language that what I have seen on other threads. SHOUT looks like my best bet and I have loaded, configured and checked the software. Everything works. I have perused the obligatory "How to Set-up" and "server/providers" threads. They make sense for the most part but it appears that "streams" = "users" and "listeners" and that I need $100+ per month just to get "on the air". My situation is: Would like to broadcast voice (vox) programming - talk radio - for about 30-60 minutes once a week. I have no idea of the number of "listeners" but would guess about 25 to start. Broadcast would be over dial-up connection from my PC to my ISP so best speed will be 53 kbps but more likely 24k or 32k (equivalent to clear-channel AM radio, right?). I would prefer to use my PC as the server (1.2G P4; 30G HD; 256M RAM running WinXP), my soundcard/recorder for microphone and AIM for "listener" input. Is this endeavor possible? I have a possible server (private) to use but I would have to demonstrate the broadcast's viability before he would consider changing its config to support Shoutcast streaming. Cletus

16th February 2002, 16:58	#3
CletusYokel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	Plainer Language Everything? Maybe. So I can't Shoutcast direct through my dial-up for "mass consumption" because I need more bandwidth than is available to a regular PC using dial-up? (yes; no). Can I broadcast anything right now using the default DNAS connections found in the software? My thought was to broadcast from my PC - through my dial-up - to get the hang of the whole system. I would start out broadcasting to a handful of listeners before "going public" (which will actually be an extremely limited audience and I would "advertise" directly to this audience). When I go public, I would then see about leasing server time or talking a few of my friends into server access through their hardware. If my ISP provides webspace, can this be configured to handle streaming bandwidth? (yes; no) What I hear you saying is that I cannot, in any way, broadcast from my PC through the Shoutcast DNAS without a configured server; that I can't just go to my basement now, connect to the default DNAS found on the software and start broadcasting. (yes; no) Cletus

16th February 2002, 17:44	#5
CletusYokel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	Plainer Language Redux To sum up (and to add to your frustration of newbies): I can connect to the web through my ISP and have WinAmp connect to the Shoutcast DNAS. I can then transmit to that server but if I want someone to listen to a live broadcast there, it will cost me so I need to make arrangements ($$) with Shoutcast; or... I can obtain a server from a provider (who may or may not charge me) and I would need to connect directly to that server (through my ISP dial-up) as well as have my audience go to that server using the magic of IP addressing. As long as the server is configured, bandwidth use depends on the number of listeners. Cletus

16th February 2002, 20:43	#7
CletusYokel Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 4	Plainer Language Got it! Need to call my buddies with bandwidth access or talk to my company about running a T3 line to my house. Good thing they are in the bandwidth business - like they would cut me a deal the stingy clymers. Cletus

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16th February 2002, 03:14	#2
Sawg Guest Posts: n/a	The Shoutcast server (also referred to as the Shoutcast DNAS) is what takes the bandwidth load; this cannot be ran on a system with a dial up. If you want to stream from your system then there is only one continuous stream from the Winamp (and the Shoutcast DSP) to the server. From there people connect to your server system. If you have something to run the server on that can meat the requirements there should be no cost to Shoutcasting. The bandwidth requirements for the server depend on the bitrate and the number of listeners (bitrate * listeners) + overhead. Did I cover everything?

16th February 2002, 17:09	#4
Sawg Guest Posts: n/a	Yes No Yes The Shoutcast DNAS is the Shoutcast server. That is what you need as a server for the listeners. That is the ONLY server you need. The Shoutcast DSP connects to the server and the listeners connect to the server.

16th February 2002, 18:28	#6
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	This is how it works. Here is you. HELLO I AM RUNNING A MACHINE WITH THE WINAMP DSP. Here is someone else, with a good connection to the internet (like a T1, T3 or something higher. Not dialup.) HELLO I AM RUNNING A MACHINE WITH THE SHOUTCAST DNAS. You connect to the DNAS with the DSP. There is no 'default' shoutcast server. You have to have access to one. You cannot run it on dialup. This would mean either: A) Having a friend with a big connection (DSL/Cable doesn't really count) B) Spending money. The short answer is, you cannot do it on your webspace. It's technically possible, if you had shell access, but you'd use so much bandwidth they'd charge you $10000000 a month anyway.

16th February 2002, 23:06	#8
Shirow Major Dude Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 604	DSL or Cable is enough to stream out - it's running the server that's the intense part. To do it relatively cheaply, take a look at www.streamguys.com or www.mediacast1.com