Still not convinced that Hotmail is the crappiest service in the world?

rm' · 19th February 2002, 03:48

For the love of God, BOYCOTT THE USE OF HOTMAIL!!!

I honestly couldn't care less that I've released this info publically..... I rarely, if ever, use hotmail. Besides, MS seems to enjoy broadcasting it to the world anyway.

DJ Shredder · 19th February 2002, 03:53

LOL

Hotmail does pretty much suck, doesn't it?

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Spinning in

~ Metallica - One
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Curi0us_George · 19th February 2002, 03:59

Haha.

That's great. If you aer going to use Hotmail, you might as well leave your usename and password taped to your desk.

Maybe this is part of their "free" plan. You get some actual security only if you pay . . .

rm' · 19th February 2002, 04:04

Visions of BUHM (Boycott Use of Hotmail) danced in his head.....

/me opens up EmEdit to do some HTML coding

n_ick2000 · 19th February 2002, 04:05

OMG. Hotmail is that bad? what a pos. Yahoo mail is awesome.

Flynnz · 19th February 2002, 04:13

MyRealbox all the way..

(Yahoo's great too though.)

rm' · 19th February 2002, 04:51

I'm a lazy ass bastard. If someone with the l33t skillz wants to donate their time and talent to create a nice, pretty, cross-browser compatible page for BUHM, I'd gladly host all files, images, etc. Hotmail must die a horrible death. I will not rest until I see it so

requirements (if you are interested in making a page):
-Quick to load
-Just 1 page (I want to keep my web directory clean)
-A section for displaying screenshots of the follies of Hotmail 9such as the one above)
-Mission statement (I will write it)
-CSS (embedded in the <head> would be preferable) so it's easy for me to maintain
-In essence, a template for me to work from. I like the BURP site

I will do all maintenance and updates (not likely needed, because Hotmail's service is as crappy as it was 1 year ago

).

rm' · 19th February 2002, 04:56

Quote:

Originally posted by Curi0us_George
Maybe this is part of their "free" plan. You get some actual security only if you pay . . .

What is especially vile is that they use SSL for the MSN Passport submission to trick you into thinking your user info is safe. Seriously, this is a major issue, because the MSN Passport is used for ecommerce authentication

Do they not realize that their users use Hotmail in public locations, where they do not have complete monitor/screen privacy? After all, isn't one of their selling points that you can use Hotmail wherever you are? Such as internet cafes or libraries... seriously, they may as well remove the password char from the password box. Pathetic.

_Blackdog_ · 19th February 2002, 05:06

well, all i use hotmail for is my porn emails (i get at least 50 a day!) so its still good for that.

but you're completely right. people have been given a false sense of security. another reason why microsoft can suck my balls!

rm' · 19th February 2002, 08:29

MS is just using stop gap measures for their many security flaws. There was that big fufarraw about people being able to sign into your account, so they implemented SSL. Yet they didn't solve any problems. Thinking that your password was protected from hackers by SSL protection, they left your password unecrypted, not caring that it's fully visible to anyone within 10ft of your monitor. They won't care until several hundred users have their accounts logged into without their authorization. Spread the word. Hotmail is evil.

Bilbo Baggins · 19th February 2002, 09:06

I prefer to use my email account from my ISP.

fwgx · 19th February 2002, 09:17

I got a myrealbox account because the file limit restrictions on Hotmail are more than annoying. The service is great with that account now

Merlin · 19th February 2002, 14:23

Didn't do that when I tried logging in - just the usual ?curmbox= business.

deathazre · 19th February 2002, 14:50

that's after a couple of forwards.

baafie · 19th February 2002, 14:57

Quote:

Originally posted by _Blackdog_
well, all i use hotmail for is my porn emails (i get at least 50 a day!) so its still good for that. but you're completely right. people have been given a false sense of security. another reason why microsoft can suck my balls!

Speaking of which, I am reporting spammers who send those lovely messages to my mailbox to their ISPs right now

No Name · 19th February 2002, 15:10

yeah hotmail is crrrrap.

I should move all my contacts to my ISP email, but im so f'n lazy.

Pathetic

OutKast · 19th February 2002, 15:11

I am a twisted lazy barstard.
I use AOL mail.
I eat chicken heads.
I use AOL mail.
I go on killing sprees.
I use AOL mail.

Mainly because i am too lazy to go to Yahoo,
Log in.
Look through them.

Everything above is false except, i really do use AOL mail.

missyob · 19th February 2002, 15:48

Like I have said before, Hotmail sucks.

Use Yahoo!

Do you Yahoo?

~ Missy

deathazre · 19th February 2002, 16:07

Hello mercman2,
Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail.

This is June and I am writing in response to your inquiry.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused you, but please reply to
this message and reword your question. More specific details improve my chances
of understanding and detecting your problem. Be sure to include your Hotmail
sign-in name and the type of browser that you use.

I look forward to hearing from you again and resolving your problem. Thank you
for your patience.

Remember that MSN Hotmail also has comprehensive online help available--just
click "Help" in the upper right corner.

Sincerely,

June P.
MSN Hotmail Customer Support

--- Original Message ---
From: mercman2@hotmail.com
To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com>
Sent: Tue Feb 19 07:52:50 PST 2002
Subject: Broken / Other / Other

Date: Tue Feb 19 10:52:01 2002

Operating System: windows millennium
Connection Type: cable modem
Browser Type: ie 5+

I need my login security fixed! --->
http://home.primus.ca/~bakht/boycotthotmail.png

baafie · 19th February 2002, 16:08

I receive spam on my Yahoo account too.

prem1er · 19th February 2002, 23:07

My Hotmail kicks ass for porn, I'm constantly finding new ways to give it to my girlfriend, but for a good email service I think I'll stick to my Outlook Express.

fwgx · 19th February 2002, 23:15

deathazre, that is priceless! How stupid are these pepole?

henry3k56 · 19th February 2002, 23:27

I use Hotmail, its not that bad. It doesn't show my username/psswd when I log on. I get over 100 e-mails from Winamp.com Forum Replies daily. I rip off Hotmail.

[LMF]ZeroKool · 20th February 2002, 02:57

I still blame Micro$oft for the Hotmail's debacle.

Yahoo, well I rarely use it.

Hotmail is still (presently)good.

rm' · 20th February 2002, 03:13

Quote:

Originally posted by [LMF]ZeroKool
Hotmail is still (presently)good.

No, it is not.

Your inbox is incredibly small (it is capped at 2MB)*
@hotmail.com is the most spam prone domain name on the planet
Their highest spam filtering setting doesn't work (I still get >20 spam messages a day even though I have it set to only accept users from my address book... and my address book is empty)
They tag on an ad at the end of all your messages
They provide no real security (see above)
More attempts have been made to hack into Hotmail accounts than any other service
Their web access doesn't render well on many browsers... it's optimized only for IE

and many, many more reasons.

*That equates to 683 spam messages (at 3kb a piece) before your important emails are automatically deleted. At 20 spam messages a day (conservative figure) at the highest filtering setting, it will only take 34 days before your messages start to get deleted. Pathetic.

_Blackdog_ · 20th February 2002, 03:28

Quote:

More attempts have been made to hack into Hotmail accounts than any other service

i remember seeing somewhere how to hack into a hotmail account. apparently, when you click "i lost my password" an automated email is generated and sent to hotmail. all you have to do is fill in the username and your alternate email address and you get the password. not too difficult to crack.

deathazre · 20th February 2002, 21:01

LOL

Hello mercman2,

This is Sharon and I am writing in response to your inquiry.

I would like to verify if the account you are having problem with. Please
send me the account in question in this
format:
username@domain.com

The more detail you provide, the better my ability to respond to your
>support request.

I apologize for any inconvenience that you have experienced and for the delay
in responding to your e-mail. Please ignore this e-mail if your
problem has already been resolved.

Sincerely ,

Sharon S.
MSN Hotmail Customer Support

--- Original Message ---
From: mercman2@hotmail.com
To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com>
Sent: Tue Feb 19 09:15:07 PST 2002
Subject: RE: CST60414723ID - Broken / Other / Other

reword my question? Look at the picture I linked and see if you can find the
problem. (here's a hint: it's on the right)

PhotoFx · 20th February 2002, 21:04

does anyone else sense some serious gramatical errors in the first part of that reply?

I do. Which is very funny.

rm' · 20th February 2002, 21:05

Quote:

Originally posted by deathazre
I would like to verify if the account you are having problem with.

A) They need to recheck their grammar.
B) Why is this from Sharon and the first from June?
C) It appears that they just use a bot to scan emails for common questions, and send a canned reply.

PhotoFx · 20th February 2002, 21:12

Quote:

originally posted by Radioactive Man
C)It appears that they just use a bot to scan emails for common questions, and send a canned reply.

dost thou think so?

Bilbo Baggins · 20th February 2002, 21:16

I quite like hotmail.

eleet-2k2 · 20th February 2002, 21:59

I like hotmail and all I can say is, what happed with your Hotmail account in that pic? When I log in, I made a movie of the whole sign-in and -out process and not once, did hotmail reveal my username or password in letters, unless it was numerically coded. Did you edit that yourself?

How did you log on (private, public or none (at hotmail))?

What version of IE are you using?

Hollow · 20th February 2002, 22:20

i use bigfoot and just forward it to my main address. So far, spam free. the only downside i guess is that it has to be forwarded, you cant view it through a webpage.

deathazre · 20th February 2002, 23:47

there's 2 or 3 steps to the hotmail login.

Lain · 21st February 2002, 11:42

I can't even get into hotmail. All i get is a 404 when I sign in.

SSJ4 Gogitta · 21st February 2002, 12:54

Odd, my URL does NOT show my username and password when i log in. Im given this:

http://lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/hmhome?curmbox=F000000001&a=253bccbbc848d47065b5337c8870bc4e&fti=yes&_lang=EN

Lain, in IE go to Help, and About IE, and check your Cypher Strength. It needs to say 128-bit, if it says 0, then you cannot log onto hotmail, because hotmail uses 128-bit emcryption. If it shows 0, redownload and re-install IE from microsoft.com

Lain · 21st February 2002, 15:35

The reinstall worked. Thanks.

rm' · 21st February 2002, 16:10

Quote:

Originally posted by SSJ4_Gogitta
Odd, my URL does NOT show my username and password when i log in. Im given this:

This is the point after you enter SSL authentication, and before you exit (i.e. when the server is checking your password, and hasn't logged you in yet).

binary hero · 21st February 2002, 16:11

whetehr it happens all the time or just 1 in every 1E9999 times doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter how you log in, when you log in, or if you log in whilst hanging upside down from a tree, it shouldn't happen! EVER! It shouldn't happen at all. I use Talk21 mail (guess the website), it's a bit slow at times, but it works and i don't get any spam.

Cleanup · 21st February 2002, 21:24

Hotmail is pretty bad, but I still use it, too lazy to use something else...

I got a new Hotmail account and DID NOT turn the Junk Mail Filter on. They say this will forward "Junk" to your Junk Mail folder. And it does, but not all of it.

Truth is, is that people and companies get your email address through lists of people who've turned the Filter on. Hotmail keeps the lists and distrubutes them. So I don't get any junk mail at all on my new account.

19th February 2002, 03:48	#1
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	Still not convinced that Hotmail is the crappiest service in the world? For the love of God, BOYCOTT THE USE OF HOTMAIL!!! I honestly couldn't care less that I've released this info publically..... I rarely, if ever, use hotmail. Besides, MS seems to enjoy broadcasting it to the world anyway.

19th February 2002, 03:59	#3
Curi0us_George Forum King Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Oxford, MS Posts: -1 Posts: 5,179	Haha. That's great. If you aer going to use Hotmail, you might as well leave your usename and password taped to your desk. Maybe this is part of their "free" plan. You get some actual security only if you pay . . . For the freedom to express myself in my own way without fear of being censored or banned. 47 65 6C 61 65 64 2E 63 6F 6D 00

19th February 2002, 04:05	#5
n_ick2000 Forum King Join Date: May 2001 Location: - Posts: 2,501	OMG. Hotmail is that bad? what a pos. Yahoo mail is awesome. \|

19th February 2002, 09:17	#12
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	I got a myrealbox account because the file limit restrictions on Hotmail are more than annoying. The service is great with that account now "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

19th February 2002, 14:23	#13
Merlin ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 4,209	Didn't do that when I tried logging in - just the usual ?curmbox= business. as he faced the sun, he cast no shadow __________________

19th February 2002, 03:53	#2
DJ Shredder Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 255	LOL Hotmail does pretty much suck, doesn't it? --- Spinning in ~ Metallica - One ---

19th February 2002, 04:04	#4
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	Visions of BUHM (Boycott Use of Hotmail) danced in his head..... /me opens up EmEdit to do some HTML coding

19th February 2002, 04:13	#6
Flynnz Major Dude Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: mostly not here anymore Posts: 855	MyRealbox all the way.. (Yahoo's great too though.)

19th February 2002, 04:51	#7
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	I'm a lazy ass bastard. If someone with the l33t skillz wants to donate their time and talent to create a nice, pretty, cross-browser compatible page for BUHM, I'd gladly host all files, images, etc. Hotmail must die a horrible death. I will not rest until I see it so requirements (if you are interested in making a page): -Quick to load -Just 1 page (I want to keep my web directory clean) -A section for displaying screenshots of the follies of Hotmail 9such as the one above) -Mission statement (I will write it) -CSS (embedded in the <head> would be preferable) so it's easy for me to maintain -In essence, a template for me to work from. I like the BURP site I will do all maintenance and updates (not likely needed, because Hotmail's service is as crappy as it was 1 year ago ).

19th February 2002, 05:06	#9
_Blackdog_ Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: detroit Posts: 1,418	well, all i use hotmail for is my porn emails (i get at least 50 a day!) so its still good for that. but you're completely right. people have been given a false sense of security. another reason why microsoft can suck my balls!

19th February 2002, 08:29	#10
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	MS is just using stop gap measures for their many security flaws. There was that big fufarraw about people being able to sign into your account, so they implemented SSL. Yet they didn't solve any problems. Thinking that your password was protected from hackers by SSL protection, they left your password unecrypted, not caring that it's fully visible to anyone within 10ft of your monitor. They won't care until several hundred users have their accounts logged into without their authorization. Spread the word. Hotmail is evil.

19th February 2002, 09:06	#11
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	I prefer to use my email account from my ISP.

19th February 2002, 14:50	#14
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	that's after a couple of forwards.

19th February 2002, 15:10	#16
No Name Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 498	yeah hotmail is crrrrap. I should move all my contacts to my ISP email, but im so f'n lazy. Pathetic .........

19th February 2002, 15:11	#17
OutKast Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: London Posts: 368	I am a twisted lazy barstard. I use AOL mail. I eat chicken heads. I use AOL mail. I go on killing sprees. I use AOL mail. Mainly because i am too lazy to go to Yahoo, Log in. Look through them. Everything above is false except, i really do use AOL mail. 1.

19th February 2002, 15:48	#18
missyob Angel of Winamp Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Winamp House Posts: 4,578	Like I have said before, Hotmail sucks. Use Yahoo! Do you Yahoo? ~ Missy

19th February 2002, 16:07	#19
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	Hello mercman2, Thank you for writing to MSN Hotmail. This is June and I am writing in response to your inquiry. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused you, but please reply to this message and reword your question. More specific details improve my chances of understanding and detecting your problem. Be sure to include your Hotmail sign-in name and the type of browser that you use. I look forward to hearing from you again and resolving your problem. Thank you for your patience. Remember that MSN Hotmail also has comprehensive online help available--just click "Help" in the upper right corner. Sincerely, June P. MSN Hotmail Customer Support --- Original Message --- From: mercman2@hotmail.com To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com> Sent: Tue Feb 19 07:52:50 PST 2002 Subject: Broken / Other / Other Date: Tue Feb 19 10:52:01 2002 Operating System: windows millennium Connection Type: cable modem Browser Type: ie 5+ I need my login security fixed! ---> http://home.primus.ca/~bakht/boycotthotmail.png

19th February 2002, 16:08	#20
baafie feminazi (Major Dude) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,767	I receive spam on my Yahoo account too.

19th February 2002, 23:07	#21
prem1er Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Over there Posts: 116	Hotmail sucks nut My Hotmail kicks ass for porn, I'm constantly finding new ways to give it to my girlfriend, but for a good email service I think I'll stick to my Outlook Express.

19th February 2002, 23:15	#22
fwgx Rudolf the Red. (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 9,314	deathazre, that is priceless! How stupid are these pepole? "We think science is interesting and if you disagree, you can fuck off."

19th February 2002, 23:27	#23
henry3k56 Forum King Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Internet Posts: 3 Trillion Posts: 4,241	I use Hotmail, its not that bad. It doesn't show my username/psswd when I log on. I get over 100 e-mails from Winamp.com Forum Replies daily. I rip off Hotmail. henry3k56 \| Summer is here. My Flickr Page & Frontierra \| Posting Since September 2001.

20th February 2002, 02:57	#24
[LMF]ZeroKool Major Dude Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Kulim,Kedah,Malaysia,Earth Posts: 553	I still blame Micro$oft for the Hotmail's debacle. Yahoo, well I rarely use it. Hotmail is still (presently)good. KLJS the Fated One! 31787478 Buffy stole my soul.Inatlantis has it.

20th February 2002, 21:01	#27
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	LOL Hello mercman2, This is Sharon and I am writing in response to your inquiry. I would like to verify if the account you are having problem with. Please send me the account in question in this format: username@domain.com The more detail you provide, the better my ability to respond to your >support request. I apologize for any inconvenience that you have experienced and for the delay in responding to your e-mail. Please ignore this e-mail if your problem has already been resolved. Sincerely , Sharon S. MSN Hotmail Customer Support --- Original Message --- From: mercman2@hotmail.com To: "MSN Hotmail Support" <support_x@css.one.microsoft.com> Sent: Tue Feb 19 09:15:07 PST 2002 Subject: RE: CST60414723ID - Broken / Other / Other reword my question? Look at the picture I linked and see if you can find the problem. (here's a hint: it's on the right)

20th February 2002, 21:04	#28
PhotoFx Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: South for the winter. Posts: 840	does anyone else sense some serious gramatical errors in the first part of that reply? I do. Which is very funny. PhotoFx -[=]-"Visual forms are not inherent in themselves, but are granted by the act of seeing..." -Trevor Goodchild

20th February 2002, 21:16	#31
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	I quite like hotmail.

20th February 2002, 21:59	#32
eleet-2k2 Forum King Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mobil Ave. Posts: 5,381	I like hotmail and all I can say is, what happed with your Hotmail account in that pic? When I log in, I made a movie of the whole sign-in and -out process and not once, did hotmail reveal my username or password in letters, unless it was numerically coded. Did you edit that yourself? How did you log on (private, public or none (at hotmail))? What version of IE are you using? "Welcome to the Island of people who know too much."..."Did you really think balloons would stop him?!" See what I'm listening too.

20th February 2002, 22:20	#33
Hollow Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Baker Lab, Ithaca NY Posts: 1,128	i use bigfoot and just forward it to my main address. So far, spam free. the only downside i guess is that it has to be forwarded, you cant view it through a webpage. The moon is made of cheese. Oh for some tasty moon cheese. www.redtetrahedron.org

20th February 2002, 23:47	#34
deathazre Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: behind the wheel of a Cat service truck Posts: 1,847	there's 2 or 3 steps to the hotmail login.

21st February 2002, 11:42	#35
Lain Major Dudette Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Saratoga NY Posts: 722	I can't even get into hotmail. All i get is a 404 when I sign in.

21st February 2002, 15:35	#37
Lain Major Dudette Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Saratoga NY Posts: 722	The reinstall worked. Thanks.

21st February 2002, 16:11	#39
binary hero Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 7,004	whetehr it happens all the time or just 1 in every 1E9999 times doesn't matter. It shouldn't matter how you log in, when you log in, or if you log in whilst hanging upside down from a tree, it shouldn't happen! EVER! It shouldn't happen at all. I use Talk21 mail (guess the website), it's a bit slow at times, but it works and i don't get any spam.

21st February 2002, 21:24	#40
Cleanup The WWYD Jerk (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Shanghai Posts: 2,385	Hotmail is pretty bad, but I still use it, too lazy to use something else... I got a new Hotmail account and DID NOT turn the Junk Mail Filter on. They say this will forward "Junk" to your Junk Mail folder. And it does, but not all of it. Truth is, is that people and companies get your email address through lists of people who've turned the Filter on. Hotmail keeps the lists and distrubutes them. So I don't get any junk mail at all on my new account. cleanup.myspace \ cleanup.devart \ cleanup.lastfm the what do you do? game thread! play for fun, posts don't count toward your postcount.

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