W/A 2.79 annoying but innofensive bug

jpg050 · 26th March 2002, 19:54

When you open Winamp 2.79 and double-click in a song for the first time, it sounds for a split second, then passes into the next song in the playlist. Following times it works ok. This only happens with the DirectSound output (now with crossfader built-in). It happens whether the fading effects are on or off (tried all combinations.) B Both old DSound libraries and waweout output work ok, so I think it's a somehow stupid easy-repairing bug in the new library. Someone else has this prob ?

peter · 26th March 2002, 20:33

read this first. your soundcard drivers are broken.

jpg050 · 26th March 2002, 20:59

Well, have no doubt that sound blaster drivers are crappy lately, but got my reasons to think it's not their fault this time, as I've proved 2.79 in another computers with different sound card makes (mine is a SB 128, others are a Guillemot one and a SB 16), under different OS (Win 98 1st ed., XP and Me) and in my case with different driver sets. It only happens with this version of winamp and with this particular dll. As I said waweOut works fine, 3rd party Dsound crossfaders work fine, and old DSound dll works fine.

No cuts or so, it just starts playing the song following the one I double-click, and only the FIRST time i click one, just after opening winamp. If I spend some time messing with menus before playing a song it doesn't happen. If I open it by hitting the play button instead of double-clicking the playlist, it doesn't happen. if i open it by clicking a mp3 or m3u file, it doesn't happen, and so on. This and the fact that the Dsound dll has been remodelized makes me think it's an error in dsound module.

And only saying it because I have noted it and I think it's a dumb error that has slipped and I think the solution will be easy. It doesn't disturb me, as I can use Waveout, or my old 3rd party Dsound plugin.

peter · 26th March 2002, 21:13

still cant reproduce (winxp/sb128pci)

sub1zero · 26th March 2002, 21:32

did you try unchecking everything in the directsound configuration like the fade in and out on exit and remove silences

jpg050 · 26th March 2002, 21:56

Yes, tried almost every possible configuration with the fading thing. Actually using DS from W/A 2.78 and before, it seems to keep on working so I'll stay with it...

About the drivers... I had a problem in Win Me with some WDM drivers some time ago, winamp in DSound seemed to skip 2 or three seconds while in the midst of a song... it was funny. Just changed to other drivers and everything went ok since them.

But I don't think it's the case. In particular I've tried the native XP drivers, (there has been an update of these), the latest ones found in the creative page (seem crappy, line and analogic cracking/static seems to be raised by 20 db or so), and some others for win2k/WinMe(The ones from the original CD and several ones found in the page)

peter · 26th March 2002, 22:22

can anyone else reproduce this ? do you have *any* third-party plugins installed ?

jpg050 · 27th March 2002, 16:12

Yes, but tried a clean install and also failed.

dudewth · 27th March 2002, 21:48

I have the same problem too. I am using onboard audio on my Soyo Dragon+, so I don't know if this has anything to do with it. I just recently built this computer, so the latest drivers were installed about 2 days ago.

peter · 27th March 2002, 22:50

what file types are you playing ? mp3 ? i still can't reproduce it on any of my computers; there's something specific to your machines that causes it.

dudewth · 27th March 2002, 23:22

I am playing only mp3's. Here is my setup:

AMD Athlon XP 1500+
Soyo Dragon+
Onboard Sound

It might be the onboard sound or something...I don't know.

peter · 27th March 2002, 23:51

hmm, jpg050: can you post *full* specs of all your computers (including CPU models and speeds) ?

dudewth · 28th March 2002, 02:17

I downloaded your "2.79 update" and if I use the "Experimental DirectSound output v1.37" I do not have this problem.

Is Winamp 3 very buggy? Because I read on your webpage that it might be a little smoother while changing songs etc. so I might just download it.

jpg050 · 28th March 2002, 16:17

Well, there they go:

Comp #1

-AMD Duron 950 in a VIA KT133 based motherboard (Gigabyte GA-7IXEH, to be exact), with 256 Mb of RAM at 133 Mhz.
-Voodoo 3 3000 AGP
-Sound Blaster PCI 128
-An Aver TV Studio (TV-tuner/capture card)
-40 GB - ATA 100 - Seagate HD, with two partitions, one for Win Me and another for XP Prof. the error happens in both of them.
-DVD, rewriter, etc

Comp #2

-AMD K6 II 500 Mhz in a VIA Apollo MVP3 based motherboard
-128 Mb of PC-100 Ram
-Voodoo 2
-Sound Blaster 16 (ISA)
-8Gb ATA 33 Fujitsu HD, with Win Me
-40x CD-ROM from... Pioneer i think

will try the 1.37 update told above.

jpg050 · 28th March 2002, 16:42

Yeaaah men, the update did the trick. I can use the experimental Dsound 1.37 with no errors. (The crossfading Dsound v1.34a still has the error, though)

WA3, although still in beta, works almost perfectly, beta 3 corrects the problem with some unsupported compressed wavs which sounded quite buggy. Worth trying, it has a great potential. Hope the final arrives soon!

jpg050 · 30th March 2002, 12:57

and by the way, it happens with all kind of files, mp3, wavs, midis, my old mods and so on. I think that perhaps the problem is not with the sound itself, but with playlist management, xfading buffers or some weird things like that (just a thought).

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26th March 2002, 19:54	#1
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	W/A 2.79 annoying but innofensive bug When you open Winamp 2.79 and double-click in a song for the first time, it sounds for a split second, then passes into the next song in the playlist. Following times it works ok. This only happens with the DirectSound output (now with crossfader built-in). It happens whether the fading effects are on or off (tried all combinations.) B Both old DSound libraries and waweout output work ok, so I think it's a somehow stupid easy-repairing bug in the new library. Someone else has this prob ?

26th March 2002, 20:33	#2
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	read this first. your soundcard drivers are broken.

26th March 2002, 20:59	#3
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	Well, have no doubt that sound blaster drivers are crappy lately, but got my reasons to think it's not their fault this time, as I've proved 2.79 in another computers with different sound card makes (mine is a SB 128, others are a Guillemot one and a SB 16), under different OS (Win 98 1st ed., XP and Me) and in my case with different driver sets. It only happens with this version of winamp and with this particular dll. As I said waweOut works fine, 3rd party Dsound crossfaders work fine, and old DSound dll works fine. No cuts or so, it just starts playing the song following the one I double-click, and only the FIRST time i click one, just after opening winamp. If I spend some time messing with menus before playing a song it doesn't happen. If I open it by hitting the play button instead of double-clicking the playlist, it doesn't happen. if i open it by clicking a mp3 or m3u file, it doesn't happen, and so on. This and the fact that the Dsound dll has been remodelized makes me think it's an error in dsound module. And only saying it because I have noted it and I think it's a dumb error that has slipped and I think the solution will be easy. It doesn't disturb me, as I can use Waveout, or my old 3rd party Dsound plugin.

26th March 2002, 21:13	#4
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	still cant reproduce (winxp/sb128pci)

26th March 2002, 21:32	#5
sub1zero Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 125	did you try unchecking everything in the directsound configuration like the fade in and out on exit and remove silences

26th March 2002, 21:56	#6
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	Yes, tried almost every possible configuration with the fading thing. Actually using DS from W/A 2.78 and before, it seems to keep on working so I'll stay with it... About the drivers... I had a problem in Win Me with some WDM drivers some time ago, winamp in DSound seemed to skip 2 or three seconds while in the midst of a song... it was funny. Just changed to other drivers and everything went ok since them. But I don't think it's the case. In particular I've tried the native XP drivers, (there has been an update of these), the latest ones found in the creative page (seem crappy, line and analogic cracking/static seems to be raised by 20 db or so), and some others for win2k/WinMe(The ones from the original CD and several ones found in the page)

26th March 2002, 22:22	#7
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	can anyone else reproduce this ? do you have any third-party plugins installed ?

27th March 2002, 16:12	#8
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	Yes, but tried a clean install and also failed.

27th March 2002, 21:48	#9
dudewth Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 4	I have the same problem too. I am using onboard audio on my Soyo Dragon+, so I don't know if this has anything to do with it. I just recently built this computer, so the latest drivers were installed about 2 days ago.

27th March 2002, 22:50	#10
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	what file types are you playing ? mp3 ? i still can't reproduce it on any of my computers; there's something specific to your machines that causes it.

27th March 2002, 23:22	#11
dudewth Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 4	I am playing only mp3's. Here is my setup: AMD Athlon XP 1500+ Soyo Dragon+ Onboard Sound It might be the onboard sound or something...I don't know.

27th March 2002, 23:51	#12
peter ist death Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,704	hmm, jpg050: can you post full specs of all your computers (including CPU models and speeds) ?

28th March 2002, 02:17	#13
dudewth Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 4	I downloaded your "2.79 update" and if I use the "Experimental DirectSound output v1.37" I do not have this problem. Is Winamp 3 very buggy? Because I read on your webpage that it might be a little smoother while changing songs etc. so I might just download it.

28th March 2002, 16:17	#14
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	Well, there they go: Comp #1 -AMD Duron 950 in a VIA KT133 based motherboard (Gigabyte GA-7IXEH, to be exact), with 256 Mb of RAM at 133 Mhz. -Voodoo 3 3000 AGP -Sound Blaster PCI 128 -An Aver TV Studio (TV-tuner/capture card) -40 GB - ATA 100 - Seagate HD, with two partitions, one for Win Me and another for XP Prof. the error happens in both of them. -DVD, rewriter, etc Comp #2 -AMD K6 II 500 Mhz in a VIA Apollo MVP3 based motherboard -128 Mb of PC-100 Ram -Voodoo 2 -Sound Blaster 16 (ISA) -8Gb ATA 33 Fujitsu HD, with Win Me -40x CD-ROM from... Pioneer i think will try the 1.37 update told above.

28th March 2002, 16:42	#15
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	Yeaaah men, the update did the trick. I can use the experimental Dsound 1.37 with no errors. (The crossfading Dsound v1.34a still has the error, though) WA3, although still in beta, works almost perfectly, beta 3 corrects the problem with some unsupported compressed wavs which sounded quite buggy. Worth trying, it has a great potential. Hope the final arrives soon!

30th March 2002, 12:57	#16
jpg050 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burgos - Spain Posts: 11	and by the way, it happens with all kind of files, mp3, wavs, midis, my old mods and so on. I think that perhaps the problem is not with the sound itself, but with playlist management, xfading buffers or some weird things like that (just a thought).