For the love of go PLEASE help.

Atmo · 5th June 2002, 09:25

Is temperature an issue?? Its the cause of more random crashes than anything else. You said you tried running it with the case off, try pointing a house fan into the case and run an intensive aplication for a while (like avs on 640x480 fullscreen for half an hour). Then try it with the case back on.

Also, as you said it only seems to happen when its at idle (kinda weird) it could be a bios problem. Do you get any sort of error messages/stop errors or is it a total hang?

Twilightseer · 5th June 2002, 09:25

That thing happened to me as well.
Solution : do not put both Hard drives on the same IDE cable

Atmo · 5th June 2002, 09:34

I have both my hard drives on the primary ide controller. Plus two other ide drives (cdrom and burner) on the secondary controller. It causes no problems that i've found and its actually better to run it like that (two drives would have to work fairly hard to saturate an ata100 controller, but one would max out an ata33 controller without much trouble)....

And nem said it happens even when switching drives so i doubt that would be the cause. It sounds more like a temp/bios/driver problem to me.

Atmo · 5th June 2002, 09:41

Which motherboard does it use??

I couldnt find much info on the 5000 series on google (they vary a lot).

liquidmotion · 5th June 2002, 09:49

i think it's the fact that it's a compaq. my friend has one similar to yours and it randomly runs really really slow, sometimes even after reboot!

build from scratch

Atmo · 5th June 2002, 10:04

Well i couldnt find any info on the motherboard, even compaq dont list it.

However, after browsing the specs i do see 1 red light. It has a 200 watt power supply. You've added some hard drives and extra stuff which could max it out, but if you've removed the extra drives and it doesnt happen then it might not be the cause of your problems..

How long have you had it?? It may still be under warranty. Tho if you've messed around with much it could void it.

My recomendation would be to get a new case with an AMD approved 300 watt power supply (shouldnt cost much), A reliable brand of motherboard (ASUS, Epox, MSI etc) and put your hardware in that. An ASUS A7V133 doesnt cost much anymore, and should give a decent performance boost compared to the unknown compaq board.

Atmo · 5th June 2002, 10:23

Ok...I finally found which motherboard it uses...

Its a stripped down version of this board

http://www.baber.com/baber/411/fic_az31.htm

Gotta say, i've never even heard of FIC...and im not sure on their quality.

I'd try a new case and mobo, you've already upgraded a few things, and you could of course upgrade to an athlon, even an athlon xp which would be a big improvement.

c2R · 5th June 2002, 10:41

It could be the power supply - 200w isn't much for a modern AMD...

Also have you checked the chipset drivers? If it's a VIA board get the latest 4 in 1 drivers.

It could also be the video card - try a different one in it. If the new one works it's most likely either driver or cooling related on the card - fit a bigger fan if possible. [edit]oh, you said you'd tried that

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You appear to have a lot of devices sharing IRQ11 - some devices don't really like sharing too much (a problem I used to have with my TNT2). Try putting the ethernet controller on IRQ9.

eleet-2k2 · 6th June 2002, 01:14

Quote:

Originally posted by N e m e s s i s

yeah that is what i have been thinking also. hence the no case cover and keeping things cool and updating all the drivers i could find and then rolling back the ones i updated to winxp default. none of which helped. the bois i have doesnt have an update though.

seriously, i think there is smoething in my system that is dying. maybe the mobo maybe the proc. dont know.

but i am going to have to get a new puter if this keeps up. i cant be working on this thing and have it lockup.

Sounds like a mobo problem since something you tried should have fixed it and since temp is not a problem.

s0be · 6th June 2002, 02:26

disable power management in your bios and reinstall. This sounds like the APM layer in your bios is not 100% compatible with the APM layer in windows xp and when certain tasks are going and an APM event happens, it freezes the system.

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p.s. have you tried kicking it?

DJ Egg · 6th June 2002, 02:53

Well, just about everything's been mentioned so far
(mobo/chipset/video drivers, irq's, temp, power, etc)

What hasn't been mentioned yet...

Have you tried removing the 64mb ram stick?
2x256 should suffice for now, but why the single 64 ?

Have you installed latest specific VIA chipset drivers yet?

Is ACPI enabled, or Standard PC ?
How many USB peripherals are connected?
USB & Netcard sharing IRQ's could be bad, but you say this isn't relevant.

NDetect.exe
Isn't that something to do with ICQ ? (Net Detect)
Have you tried disabling/updating ICQ ?

Or is Ndetect.exe linked to Symantec/Norton AV ? (Live Update)
Where Norton's concerned, anything's possible

And of course, have you tried full Chkdisk / Virus Scan?

BMWboy · 6th June 2002, 03:17

I agree with DJegg. RAM dosen't like to run with RAM that is completly Identical to it, in some cases, all the way down to who built it. I've got 3 256MB RAM sticks, and they are all completly Identical, down to the manufacturer. When I go to computer shows to get more, I always bring along one of the sticks and ask the guy for a perfect match. If he can't match it, I just move to the next memory booth.

rm' · 6th June 2002, 04:36

ACPI (for win2k, I'm assuming it's the same in XP)

Right click My Computer on the desktop -> Hardware -> Device Manager -> Computer -> Is ACPI listed? If it is, try updating drivers (using details listed there)

Also:
Still in Device manager -> System Devices -> There should be several ACPI related entries. Check to make sure all are operating correctly.

But, that all doesn't really help, considering the ideal solution would be to ditch the machine, and build a new one from scratch. Compaq is worthless. Their power management features are notorious for crashing systems. Two of the four Compaqs in my house cannot shutdown properly (i.e. it's necessary to disconnect the power to the machine), and on all four, Sleep mode does not work without causing the machine to go berserk.

incubus*chick · 6th June 2002, 05:02

heehee....that "love of go" title made me laugh

pixiefied · 6th June 2002, 05:09

kick it on the right side,just above your video card

DJ Egg · 6th June 2002, 19:22

How can NDetect.exe be running if it's apparently not even anywhere on the system?

It's gotta be there somewhere! Damn Norton!
You mean it's "not responding" because it's not even there?

Search regedit for any references to it
Search all config files too (win.ini, system.ini)
Does XP still use config.sys and autoexec.bat files?
Try msconfig & sysedit (if they're still there in XP)

Looks like you're supposed to uninstall Live Update before uninstalling NAV
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JFWlite/message/46410

ACPI = Advanced Configuration & Power Interface
If you goto: Device Manager -> computer -> properties
you'll probably find that nearly all devices are sharing the same two or three IRQ's.
I've seen some cases of 7 devices sharing the same IRQ when ACPI is enabled

Maybe try switching it to Standard PC instead of ACPI ???

rm' could be right about it just being a Compaq thing though

CremoNe · 6th June 2002, 19:54

as a on the way engineer i tend to think about hardware problems:
can't it be something connected with electical power supply?
if the line isn't filtered well or if the supply has some troubles, it may cause occasional freezin'.
maybe

Clintoris · 6th June 2002, 20:00

I am on an NT 4 SP 6 machine at work, and ndetect.exe is in C:/Program Files/LiveUpdate. No clue why you can't seem to find it. I hope you can solve your problem.

John M · 6th June 2002, 20:57

ditch the AMD for a real chip...

outside of that, i'm thinking theres something shot in the mobo or PSU. maybe transplant your mobo with another similar one and see if the same problems recur. same with PSU.

Atmo · 6th June 2002, 23:43

Try running msconfig and see if its listed in there...

Quote:

ditch the AMD for a real chip...

Like an intel?? Why?? AMD processors have been outperforming intel processors for a long time now. Sure, a duron may run a little warmer than an equivelent celeron but i dont think thats the problem here.

Intel were good back in Pentium 2 days, but ever since the P3 they've lost it..

DJ Egg · 7th June 2002, 00:58

Quote:

Originally posted by N e m e s s i s
how would i go about setting my computer up with out ACPI?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...pi+standard+pc

Quote:

i tried searching my HDDs reg win.ini etc and still no reference to ndetect.exe. also it doesnt always hang, just after a crash.

That sounds pretty spooky to me.
As I said before, how can it be listed as running in Program Mgr if it's nowhere on your HDD ?
Look in msconfig & sysedit again. (start -> run ->)
Maybe also try looking in Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel.
Is the "C:\Program Files\Live Update" dir still on your system?
Search reg for: Norton, Symantec, Live Update, ndetect (separate searches).

btw, we're all dying to know if it's a hardware or software problem.
I'm leaning more towards software (divers, configs, remnants of norton, etc)
Or could it be the Compaq mobo, or some other imminent hardware failure?
Place your votes folks

Bilbo Baggins · 7th June 2002, 01:12

Compaq.

rm' · 7th June 2002, 01:18

I bet Compaq.

Atmo · 7th June 2002, 02:32

I recon its compaqs fault...

They have more probs than any other manufacturer i know of...

BMWboy · 7th June 2002, 03:14

did you have Nortons Utilites or Systemworks? and have you tried contacting Norton about how to get rid of the offending program? I asked them for some help on uninstalling Norton Antivirus, and while it did take a few days for a response(I could have gotten a faster one, but that would have cost $) the hit the nail on the head the first time.

5th June 2002, 09:25	#1
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Is temperature an issue?? Its the cause of more random crashes than anything else. You said you tried running it with the case off, try pointing a house fan into the case and run an intensive aplication for a while (like avs on 640x480 fullscreen for half an hour). Then try it with the case back on. Also, as you said it only seems to happen when its at idle (kinda weird) it could be a bios problem. Do you get any sort of error messages/stop errors or is it a total hang? :Psykotech:

5th June 2002, 09:34	#3
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	I have both my hard drives on the primary ide controller. Plus two other ide drives (cdrom and burner) on the secondary controller. It causes no problems that i've found and its actually better to run it like that (two drives would have to work fairly hard to saturate an ata100 controller, but one would max out an ata33 controller without much trouble).... And nem said it happens even when switching drives so i doubt that would be the cause. It sounds more like a temp/bios/driver problem to me. :Psykotech:

5th June 2002, 09:41	#4
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Which motherboard does it use?? I couldnt find much info on the 5000 series on google (they vary a lot). :Psykotech:

5th June 2002, 09:49	#5
liquidmotion Smokes Two Joints Beta Team Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: SFBA Posts: 3,680	i think it's the fact that it's a compaq. my friend has one similar to yours and it randomly runs really really slow, sometimes even after reboot! build from scratch For a good time: shup \| stashbox \| my homepage

5th June 2002, 10:04	#6
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Well i couldnt find any info on the motherboard, even compaq dont list it. However, after browsing the specs i do see 1 red light. It has a 200 watt power supply. You've added some hard drives and extra stuff which could max it out, but if you've removed the extra drives and it doesnt happen then it might not be the cause of your problems.. How long have you had it?? It may still be under warranty. Tho if you've messed around with much it could void it. My recomendation would be to get a new case with an AMD approved 300 watt power supply (shouldnt cost much), A reliable brand of motherboard (ASUS, Epox, MSI etc) and put your hardware in that. An ASUS A7V133 doesnt cost much anymore, and should give a decent performance boost compared to the unknown compaq board. :Psykotech:

5th June 2002, 09:25	#2
Twilightseer Frenchoderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Lavabo, fond du couloir, 3è porte à droite Posts: 6,309	That thing happened to me as well. Solution : do not put both Hard drives on the same IDE cable

5th June 2002, 10:23	#7
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	Ok...I finally found which motherboard it uses... Its a stripped down version of this board http://www.baber.com/baber/411/fic_az31.htm Gotta say, i've never even heard of FIC...and im not sure on their quality. I'd try a new case and mobo, you've already upgraded a few things, and you could of course upgrade to an athlon, even an athlon xp which would be a big improvement. :Psykotech:

5th June 2002, 10:41	#8
c2R Stereotype? (Forum King) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ware, England Posts: 3,511	It could be the power supply - 200w isn't much for a modern AMD... Also have you checked the chipset drivers? If it's a VIA board get the latest 4 in 1 drivers. It could also be the video card - try a different one in it. If the new one works it's most likely either driver or cooling related on the card - fit a bigger fan if possible. [edit]oh, you said you'd tried that [/edit] You appear to have a lot of devices sharing IRQ11 - some devices don't really like sharing too much (a problem I used to have with my TNT2). Try putting the ethernet controller on IRQ9. lights out for darker skies # forums.winamp.com boinc team # tms

6th June 2002, 02:26	#10
s0be Major Dude Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: melbourne Posts: First Posts: 1,313	disable power management in your bios and reinstall. This sounds like the APM layer in your bios is not 100% compatible with the APM layer in windows xp and when certain tasks are going and an APM event happens, it freezes the system. /* S0Be */ p.s. have you tried kicking it? And On that day, the Lords of the land said unto their Master Architect, "The temple you have made to the gods of Wasabi and Maki has brought us no great prosperity" and they sent out him into the lands. As he traveled to a far off land, he found he wasn't traveling alone, but that he had gained companions, and when they found their new land, they started work on a new temple, one that would be OPEN to all who wanted to worship. from The Book of Wasabi C 12 Vs 09 (pg 2003)

6th June 2002, 02:53	#11
DJ Egg Techorator Winamp & Shoutcast Team Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 35,894	Well, just about everything's been mentioned so far (mobo/chipset/video drivers, irq's, temp, power, etc) What hasn't been mentioned yet... Have you tried removing the 64mb ram stick? 2x256 should suffice for now, but why the single 64 ? Have you installed latest specific VIA chipset drivers yet? Is ACPI enabled, or Standard PC ? How many USB peripherals are connected? USB & Netcard sharing IRQ's could be bad, but you say this isn't relevant. NDetect.exe Isn't that something to do with ICQ ? (Net Detect) Have you tried disabling/updating ICQ ? Or is Ndetect.exe linked to Symantec/Norton AV ? (Live Update) Where Norton's concerned, anything's possible And of course, have you tried full Chkdisk / Virus Scan? Playlist -\|- Twitter

6th June 2002, 03:17	#12
BMWboy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: next the the guy that lives over there Posts: 1,360	I agree with DJegg. RAM dosen't like to run with RAM that is completly Identical to it, in some cases, all the way down to who built it. I've got 3 256MB RAM sticks, and they are all completly Identical, down to the manufacturer. When I go to computer shows to get more, I always bring along one of the sticks and ask the guy for a perfect match. If he can't match it, I just move to the next memory booth.

6th June 2002, 04:36	#13
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	ACPI (for win2k, I'm assuming it's the same in XP) Right click My Computer on the desktop -> Hardware -> Device Manager -> Computer -> Is ACPI listed? If it is, try updating drivers (using details listed there) Also: Still in Device manager -> System Devices -> There should be several ACPI related entries. Check to make sure all are operating correctly. But, that all doesn't really help, considering the ideal solution would be to ditch the machine, and build a new one from scratch. Compaq is worthless. Their power management features are notorious for crashing systems. Two of the four Compaqs in my house cannot shutdown properly (i.e. it's necessary to disconnect the power to the machine), and on all four, Sleep mode does not work without causing the machine to go berserk.

6th June 2002, 05:02	#14
incubus*chick Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the wild things are Posts: 350	heehee....that "love of go" title made me laugh

6th June 2002, 05:09	#15
pixiefied Mother Trucker Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: in the forest Posts: 3,520	kick it on the right side,just above your video card "Well, got to love you and leave you, need to go get into the shower and rub my hard naked body all over with soapy bubbles, I'll be back later to carry on playing.... It'll take you some time to get over the image of me naked in the shower......mind you don't masturbate to hard thinking about it...." - Mr.Jones

6th June 2002, 19:22	#16
DJ Egg Techorator Winamp & Shoutcast Team Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 35,894	How can NDetect.exe be running if it's apparently not even anywhere on the system? It's gotta be there somewhere! Damn Norton! You mean it's "not responding" because it's not even there? Search regedit for any references to it Search all config files too (win.ini, system.ini) Does XP still use config.sys and autoexec.bat files? Try msconfig & sysedit (if they're still there in XP) Looks like you're supposed to uninstall Live Update before uninstalling NAV http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JFWlite/message/46410 ACPI = Advanced Configuration & Power Interface If you goto: Device Manager -> computer -> properties you'll probably find that nearly all devices are sharing the same two or three IRQ's. I've seen some cases of 7 devices sharing the same IRQ when ACPI is enabled Maybe try switching it to Standard PC instead of ACPI ??? rm' could be right about it just being a Compaq thing though Playlist -\|- Twitter

6th June 2002, 19:54	#17
CremoNe Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Italy Posts: 397	as a on the way engineer i tend to think about hardware problems: can't it be something connected with electical power supply? if the line isn't filtered well or if the supply has some troubles, it may cause occasional freezin'. maybe

6th June 2002, 20:00	#18
Clintoris Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 49	I am on an NT 4 SP 6 machine at work, and ndetect.exe is in C:/Program Files/LiveUpdate. No clue why you can't seem to find it. I hope you can solve your problem.

6th June 2002, 20:57	#19
John M Puts the Cuss in General Discussions (Forum King) Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cincy, Ohio Posts: 3,624	ditch the AMD for a real chip... outside of that, i'm thinking theres something shot in the mobo or PSU. maybe transplant your mobo with another similar one and see if the same problems recur. same with PSU. missyob made me post this.

7th June 2002, 01:12	#22
Bilbo Baggins Wind Chime of the Apocalypse Join Date: May 2000 Location: The Forest Posts: 17,228	Compaq.

7th June 2002, 01:18	#23
rm' Banned Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 11,361	I bet Compaq.

7th June 2002, 02:32	#24
Atmo The Freak (Forum King) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 9,400	I recon its compaqs fault... They have more probs than any other manufacturer i know of... :Psykotech:

7th June 2002, 03:14	#25
BMWboy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: next the the guy that lives over there Posts: 1,360	did you have Nortons Utilites or Systemworks? and have you tried contacting Norton about how to get rid of the offending program? I asked them for some help on uninstalling Norton Antivirus, and while it did take a few days for a response(I could have gotten a faster one, but that would have cost $) the hit the nail on the head the first time.

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