Guns (oh boy, here we go.....)

[John M]

<prompted by a conversation in #******* this morning>

Just wanted to put out the feelers on this issue. Please answer the poll carefully, that is, make sure you answer according to region. if you have something intelligent to say, get up on the soapbox and let it out brother, but please no useless banter.

[Huehuetenango]

isn't hte poll rather limited in the answers?
there are members of the forums from asia, canada, australia and elsewhere, too

[Curi0us_George]

I think there is a bit of middle ground between good and bad, too.

[Xerxes]

Would have been better to do "USA" / "REST OF WORLD" ... but the idea is sound.

Btw, guns are a neccesary evil. If you have to carry one, at least carry something that's "got style".

i.e. any vintage Luger... gorgeous! Just looking at it you can see your hand on it and where your fingers would be. There's just something about the angles of it that is universally pleasing to the eye.




Parabellum-Pistole M 1904.

[binary hero]

guns = bad. that is all i really have to say. They are not a necissary evil (how many times have you been shot at?). Ban them all, and anyone caught carrying one should be shot with their own...that'd work.

[Aeroe]

nah, it leads to nazism and communism then genocide.

[Vie]

guns in real life = Very Bad News

guns in computer games = good

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Aeroe
nah, it leads to nazism

Always remember folks, Hitler was the first person on this planet to enact gun control. Are you europeans saying that you agree with Hitler?


He's watching you...

[Vie]

NOT TRUE!!
we did it in England when gunpowder first came to our shores!

[Bop]

Originally posted by Xerxes


Always remember folks, Hitler was the first person on this planet to enact gun control. Are you europeans saying that you agree with Hitler?

-- a message brought to you by the Capitalist Guilt Propoganda Committee

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Vie
NOT TRUE!!
we did it in England when gunpowder first came to our shores!

vie:
Cite your source. Hitler collected all the guns from the civilian population. Was such legislation enacted in england? If you want to go way back, technically the Japanese under Hideyoshi invented weapons control during the "great sword hunt" in which all the swords owned by civilians were confiscated. Are you Europeans saying you agree with the Feudal Japanese Empire?

duplicity:

Hitler looks at today's Europe and likes what he sees ;-)

[Vie]

right (from memory)
The Crown at the time seing the potenital power for gunpowder decread that all sales of gunpowder where to go through the crown therfore if sombody the crown disaproved of attempted to buy gunpowder they could be blocked, thats why the "gunpowder plot" sounds so dogie where did they get the stuff from

[apollos]

Guns are a part of our society. you get rid of them - people find an altrenative. No point in trying to ban them as you always end up in square one

[rm']

Originally posted by Boplicity


-- a message brought to you by the Capitalist Guilt Propoganda Committee

That's a new one... capitalists trying to lay on a guilt trip.

The ability to pursue armed resistance = freedom
It's as simple as that.

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Originally posted by Xerxes
Would have been better to do "USA" / "REST OF WORLD" ... but the idea is sound.

Btw, guns are a neccesary evil. If you have to carry one, at least carry something that's "got style".

i.e. any vintage Luger... gorgeous! Just looking at it you can see your hand on it and where your fingers would be. There's just something about the angles of it that is universally pleasing to the eye.




Parabellum-Pistole M 1904.

mmmm I quite like the luger as an antique
but this is far more asthetically pleasing to my eye.
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DE50TCN .50cal
unfortuanatly i cant get one! so i will have to stick with the 9mm
until i come over to U.S again! only get cheep 9's on blk mkt.[

[Xerxes]

is that GOLD? only a freaking pimp would carry that!

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yeah your right only a pimp would carry a gold one.
It's Titanium!
Gangster!

[excracked]

I would prefer the titanium one but would settle for a chrome or stainless steel, the nickel blue one looks quite smart too.
here's the chrome one.
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[deadrabbit]

Vie:

guns in real life = Very Bad News
guns in computer games = good

That's good enough for me to second . . .

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Originally posted by deadrabbit
Vie:

That's good enough for me to second . . .

Guns in the wrong hands in real life is bad.
Target shooting is no harm to anyone!

[BMWboy]

guns are a necessary evil. however, there needs to be a ban on certain types of guns. for example, I don't care what you say, but you don't need an AK-47 to go hunt deer. If it takes you a 30 round clip to kill a deer, you need to learn how to shoot. however, a semi-automatic gun is ok, as long as the clip isn't over 10 shots(once again, if you need 10+ shots to kill bambi, seek help). same way with an automatic shotgun, do you really need to shoot that duck 5 times?. a double-barrel shotgun will do just fine. and any gun that cannot be picked up by a metal dector, why is it even being sold to the public? if having a gun on you at all times is that important, get a damn permit. large-caliber handguns do have their uses(mainly as a bear deterent in Alaska), so I have no problem with that. armor-piercing bullets. huh? since when did the wildlife start wearing bullet-proof vests? and if you are that worried about your local street punk, shoot at his crotch. guns a booze don't mix. anyone who is found legaly intoxicated while possesing a firearm should lose their hunting papers, and gun for at least a year. same thing for guns and drugs. if you have a criminal record(anything above a misdeameanor), you don't get a gun. don't like not being able to carry heat because you boosted that car? too bad. should of thought about that before you stole the car. sawed-off shotgun, fine by me(one of the best home-defense guns out there, as long as it never leaves your dwelling. also, a short course on guns for first time buyers.

I think what I outlined is fair, if you don't, respond, and I will read your side of the arguement

[excracked]

. large-caliber handguns do have their uses(mainly as a bear deterent in Alaska), so I have no problem with that. armor-piercing bullets. huh? since when did the wildlife start wearing bullet-proof vests? and if you are that worried about your local street punk, shoot at his crotch.

At least your gonna stop the bloodline in that street punk.
You don't have to worry about people waring vests over in UK coz
illedgedly you cant carry a gun over here. It just amazes me how people keep getting shot over here! Duh! Like Mr Big shot Crack dealer is gonna hand over his piece! If you have a grievence over here
Just put one in the brain! Job Done. Then we go home!

[Xerxes]

Heh, shooting drug dealers. Once I walked into a surf shop with my father (who is involved in making surfboards on the side) and he gets into a discussion with the 40'ish old surfer dude at the counter. Asking if he surfed he replied that actually he just of out of the jail. For what? the response was something like

"Well, I used to find drug dealers and rob them of all their ill gotten drug money at gunpoint- robbing the criminals. Then one time one of the bastards shot me, so from then on I made them strip their clothes after I took their money, and superglued their asses to their toilet seats. One of them ratted me out, reducing his own sentence, and I just finished my jail sentence. I used my money to buy this surf shop. That is the honest truth"

Not your typical life background ... Only in America

[rm']

If the average gun owner is as feeble as this:

You anti-gun lobbyists have nothing to fear.

[Xerxes]

God he looks like death in that picture... But he's packing heat so don't say that to him in person!

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Originally posted by Xerxes
Heh, shooting drug dealers. Once I walked into a surf shop with my father (who is involved in making surfboards on the side) and he gets into a discussion with the 40'ish old surfer dude at the counter. Asking if he surfed he replied that actually he just of out of the jail. For what? the response was something like

"Well, I used to find drug dealers and rob them of all their ill gotten drug money at gunpoint- robbing the criminals. Then one time one of the bastards shot me, so from then on I made them strip their clothes after I took their money, and superglued their asses to their toilet seats. One of them ratted me out, reducing his own sentence, and I just finished my jail sentence. I used my money to buy this surf shop. That is the honest truth"

Not your typical life background ... Only in America

Hey Wanna start a surf shop?
I over the years have spent too much with dd's
i know half of the drive XK8's
I Got a 9 you got a luger let's go!

[rm']

"Because I could not stop for Death, He kindly stopped for me"
-Emily Dickinson

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Originally posted by rm'
"Because I could not stop for Death, He kindly stopped for me"
-Emily Dickinson

There is only one Absolute in life, Death.
Me, just then.

[Xerxes]

You and countless other dorky sci-fi movies with warlike races

[Aeroe]

Originally posted by BMWboy
guns are a necessary evil. however, there needs to be a ban on certain types of guns. for example, I don't care what you say, but you don't need an AK-47 to go hunt deer.

of course not, but you'd sure as hell get a lot of deer that way...

[excracked]

No justice Just us?
And whats with 'dorky'
i do not intend a flame so just.
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[ElChevelle]

Right off the back of a redneck's bumper, baby:

You'll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead fingers

[excracked]

Those that live by the sword shall die by the sword.

[Xerxes]

"Guns don't kill people, I do"

[excracked]

L.M.A.O.
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Murderer!

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Hey sorry about the size of the pic people, i forgot to resize it.

[patroclus22]

I'm probably going to get laughed off the net for this, but I'll say it anyways.
The reason I disapprove of guns is simple: They make murder far too easy.
Example: To kill a human being with a knife, you need to get close enough--usually 2 to 4 feet--to actually stab/slash them. Even if you stab them in the back and don't see their faces while they die, you're close enough to actually see it happen.
It takes a special type of person (I think)to be able to kill someone this way.
Now, with a gun, you can do that from hundreds of yards away. Its entirely possible that you won't see your victim's face. You might not even know your victim(s)!
I think guns take away the immediate "I have just hurt/killed someone" reaction that most sane people would have, by distancing them from the event. If you add back the close-range blood and gore, I think fewer murders would take place.

[c2R]

I've always believed guns are necessary for people living in the countryside, so I've voted for the case of keeping guns. There is no other effective way of enacting pest control of animals such as foxes. Obviously with things like rabbits there exist sufficient numbers to poison without needing to use guns, but these methods cannot be used with animals like foxes due to their large territories.

Guns are also a useful deterrent against thieves - as everyone knows that the police take a long time to get out to the country, if they can find where they're supposed to be going at all...

Having said that, I can't really see any legitimate use for town folks to keep guns...

[rm']

In peace time, there is little reason for guns in cities, other then for sport, and possibly as a deterrent for crime (police aren't that quick in the city either). But, we don't always live in peace times. It's naive to think that there is NO that our government won't overstep its bounds. Someday, it will happen... political stability cannot be maintained for any great length of time. The Revolution never would have gotten off the ground if it weren't for the gun-toting city-dwelling rebels of the North. That said, the Continental Army would have failed miserably were it not for the superior skills and markmanship of the militias :-)

[MetallichicA]

Originally posted by patroclus22
The reason I disapprove of guns is simple: They make murder far too easy.

(etc.)

Wow, you just about summed up my exact feelings about this; to the letter practically. I've often said that one reason I'm against nuclear warfare is that all it really takes is for someone to push a button, and boom, they're gone (yeah, I know it takes more than that, but it's not like you see the people you're blowing up).

Years and years ago, people had to fight each other with their bare hands. Can you imagine fighting someone to the death? I mean, fighting with intent to kill, jeez, that's messed up. Then man thought, hmmmm, I can use a hard rock to make a knife and kill animals and skin them etc. So then you get a very sharp object, and hey presto! It just got a tiny bit easier to kill someone. Now you don't have to do it with your bare hands, you just say, oops! That knife just went into your jugular, didn't it, sorry 'bout that. Some time later, someone invents gunpowder and guns. Makes it real easy to shoot a deer- real easy to shoot that guy you've been in a feud with for years, too. "Oh, well, he trespassed, so I gave him what-for. Oh, he died? Well, shucks, guess I didn't aim low enough." All of a sudden, you can kill someone from quite a ways off. Then we come up with grenades/missiles/bombs/etc. and it gets easier once again. You just pull the pin, wind up, and let 'er rip, and yow! There go a couple of your enemies in one swipe. Not too hard at all- hell, you don't even have to wait to see the whites of their eyes for one of these puppies. Now we have- and it scares the hell out of me to even think about this- nuclear weapons?! I mean, come on, what a hateful world! You don't even have to see the person to kill them, just aim at a general area and push the button. There go women, kids, guys who never did anything wrong. Maybe I'm too soft-hearted, but I couldn't watch someone die that way. If they could stick a video camera in a person's house and tape them as they and their kids shrivel up into a pile of nuclear waste, and show that to the people who run the big guns, I wonder what they would think then. I hate to say it, but I think the bigger our weapons get, the more hardened we become to the thought of killing.

To sum it all up, I hate to say it, but we'd have to have a utopian society to get rid of guns. I agree that they should be used for hunting, but the problem is that people misuse them. I see no reason why anyone should have to carry a 9mm (civilians, anyway). If it's for protection, then from what? Other people with guns, I suppose. I just think there's too much chance that you could kill someone while trying to protect yourself. Which basically means that you are telling the world that you are more important than that person, and that they should die before anything happens to you, like getting robbed or whatever.

I'm not going to vote, the choices are too clear-cut I guess. I suppose I'm of the opinion that guns in this day are a necessary evil, and that even if we did get rid of them, we would find another way. People would start carrying hand-grenades.

I know it's not a very good argument.