How many Posts did you make the last 5 days???

[The Holy One]

Myself i made over 80.

[Mr Jones]

Well done, I'm impressed.............

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Yeah I've seen a lot of them.

"Yeah sure" seems to come up an awful lot. Highly motivating stuff....

[rm']

It seems there are two kinds of newbies... either those who post a hello thread then never return, or those who have 40ppd+, and then are either shamed straight, or into hiding.

I try my hardest to stand up for newbies whereever possible, but sometimes the don't give me something to standup for

[GoldenSphynx]

I used to post like 200ppd, but then the posts lost any meaning, and now I'm down to like 14 I believe. It doesn't really matter to me anymore. See, rm', I had a reason to bash those n00bies... j/k

[Jon Deaux]

I don't know.
It's all a blur.
Maybe I blacked out.
Do you think one of those twelve steps might help?

[Bop]

The faster you learn that post count doesn't mean anything, the sooner you can become a valued forum contributor...

[Carmagio]

Wow, great to see that the quality polls are still going on

[rm']

The little publicized 13th step, in which you give all your worldly possessions to rm is guaranteed to set all your wrongs right.

[Magic_Midget]

I'm workin my way up to a custom title....could take years

[The Holy One]

Originally posted by ethan_h
Yeah I've seen a lot of them.

"Yeah sure" seems to come up an awful lot. Highly motivating stuff....

is this supposed to be sarcasting?? (or not)

[Carmagio]

I think the anwer is yes

[The Holy One]

GRRRR

[Pimp Angel]

I have been too busy to post. I have been working and partin too much.

[henry3k56]

Several posts. I think like maybe 17 or so. I really don't count... I once made over 100 posts one week like about 4 months ago, too much time online here. Now I'm busy, so posting has been put on slow-motion for a while.

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Originally posted by The Holy One


is this supposed to be sarcasting?? (or not)

You can take it whatever way you want to. I'd recommend that you take it as a warning, rather than sarcasm. As I said in another thread, if you make any more three word irrelevant threads, they will be removed along with your ability to post for a few days.

[Bop]

Originally posted by ethan_h
You can take it whatever way you want to. I'd recommend that you take it as a warning, rather than sarcasm. As I said in another thread, if you make any more three word irrelevant threads, they will be removed along with your ability to post for a few days.

Since when did the forums become a strict police state? That's ridiculous! This is GD, he can post any darn thing he wants to- If you don't like the thread then just ignore it, but you cannot make threats about banning people based on irrelevant posts... I think every thread on buffy and soccor is irrelevant, why not close those and ban the thread starters? Moderation needs to be based on assistance, not controlling useless banter... that's what GD is for.

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Then you weren't on the receiving end of the e-mails that I was getting all morning. 80+ posts of "whatever" and "yeah right" over five days is post pumping in anyones books. What I posted was good advice, post pumping and then advertising the fact in the form of a poll is not exactly the best way to get attention. If I wanted to start implementing a ban he'd already have received a warning letter - as of yet he hasn't. But he has been warned, and should have the common sense not to post pump, or at least be aware that if he does, it is being noticed.

[Bop]

Ah, I was unaware- of such activity. My apologies- I agree completely with you if his posts were as you have stated they were. In this case a warning is completely appropriate... sorry ethan.

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No problem, and thanks for being one of the few that doesn't rant, then disappear from the thread if they are challenged. I don't condone poice state tactics, nor have I ever implemented them to the best of my knowledge. But neither do I tolerate people who consistently post pump, even though they have been wared several times by several people. And when people start complaining, it's time to start doing something about it.

[Curi0us_George]

sw00t! My average is down to 8.79 per day.

[The Holy One]

im sorry i was so pesky, i was just so bored.
but i have a new game now.
won't catch me posting "whatever" or irrelevant posts again.

[fwgx]

I dunno, less now that I'm back on 56k rather than cable and have been busy recently.

[John M]

prolly about 25, i think i have about 5 PPD anymore.

[BMWboy]

counting this one, 4 I think, I've been working.

[Trigear]

[rant]i don't care how many posts i make. i try to add something wherever i think my words are relevent or funny. or if i have something to say. as far as "yeah whatever" and "boo" and "ok" posts, sometimes they're funny and deliberate. usually if i post a "yeah whatever" or "boo" post (etc, you get my drift) the fact that it's a single post is intended for timing. it's like in a cartoon, where a character opens his mouth like he's about to make a huge speech and then says "yeah".

as for calling it post pumping, i don't see how post pumping (with taste) really ever hurts someone. i posted a lot in my first week, but i feel that most of it was relevent. a lot of it was me trying to put out flame wars or calm down heated arguments, or even to keep a thread on topic. and other times, i just wanted to add my 2 cents.

i don't consider myself a newbie. even though i've been posting here for less than a month, that doesn't mean that i'm new to forums in general. i've done the 100+ forum posting in my fair day (i used to be a regular on the rune forum at runegames.com, until the game came out and i decided it sucked). there wasn't any complaining about post pumping or flame wars there, but we still kept in shape. as a matter of fact, i'd argue that the people at the runegames forum back in 1999-2001 when i was a regular there were better behaved, despite lack of active moderation, than this forum is. that's not to rip on this forum, i love it. but an occasional flame war or post pumping does not pandemonium make. with 20+ ppd like i had my first week, i was getting 80+ emails for replies and whatnot also. i just turned it off and no more problems. i don't think a bit of post pumping is bad, nor is the sporadic flame war, or occasional derailing of a cool thread. granted, i'm going to try to quench the flame war regardless, because i don't like them.

oh, and as far as three post replies, would it make them better if the poster added two more words to the reply? what about four? how many words minimum would it have to be to be acceptable? and that being taken care of, why can't one less say it just as well, if not better? how about two less? or three? isn't it pheasible for one word to say more than 20?
take for instance this thread... some might argue that this is a post pump, because it's irrelevant. but then what is relevant? if a thread about admitting post-pumping isn't relevant in a general discussion forum, then where is it relevant? and why is this one not, but a thread for "what would you do" perfectly fine? if we stuck to only tech questions, we'd be the tech support forum. and technically, anything other than tech questions and straight answers is irrelevant. so anyways...

i forget what i was trying to say, but you get my point.[/rant]

(oh and i'll be here for the counter-point too, don't you worry.)

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Originally posted by triGEAR
[rant]Everything that triGEAR holds dear in life[/rant]

(oh and i'll be here for the counter-point too, don't you worry.)

I'll try not to worry - but thanks for asking.

I don't care how many posts you make either, so we agree on something. I myself have made over 5000, sawg over 10,000, and most of the moderators somewhere in between. What I will concern myself with is the contents of those posts. I think that most people will agree that very rarely are "ok" and "yeah whatever" posts funny or informative. "Yeah whatever" actually implies disagreement with a previous statement, in which case anybody who was concerned enough to reply would back up that statement with a reason why they disagree. I'm using a specific example here, but you did bring it up. I'm sure there are many other situations where this applies.

As for having a lower limit on the amount of words required for it to be an acceptable post - I never said that. I was dealing with a specific example, the poster of which subsequently apologised for. I never spoke in the general sense - had I meant that, it would be pretty easy to code a lower limit on the number of posts per count.

You might not care about post pumping, but I do. Anyone who posts for the sole reason of increasing their post count rather than adding anything constructive, humerous or relevant to the post in question is post pumping. I am fully aware that the previous "requirements" are solely down to interpretation, which is why only obvious cases of pumping are acted upon. In case of error on the part of the moderator, the person in question is usually brought to the attention of other moderators to get an overall opinion. A warning letter is then sent out - often a member might not be aware that they are post pumping, as many here will testify. Only in extreme cases are bannings (temporary and permanent) implemented.

You may have been a member of many other forums, and they may have tolerated post pumping and flame wars there, but this is a different forum, with its own set of rules, which will be implemented.

On a final note, I don't remember using your posts as an example of post pumping, which makes pretty much the first two paragraphs of what you wrote irrelevant to the topic in question. You really should take more care in reading a thread before replying...

[Trigear]

i think we're agreeing on more than either of us think...

you're right that posting for the sole purpose of increasing your post number without adding anything relevant is bad. but the question is on where we can draw the line. i've been accused of post-pumping several times here, and often that just leaves me or whoever else is on the recieving end of the accusation embarrassed and confused. my point on that issue is that it's hard to effectively police something like that while still being fair to the people who aren't guilty, MOST ESPECIALLY in a general discussion threads, where the topics run the gamut from "age/sex/location" to "how much weed do you smoke in a week?" to "who here gets ass?" etc. some "blatant" cases of pp really aren't after all. and the regulars and veterans don't set a good example either (sorry guys, but it's true). some veterans with 1000+ posts act more immature than the newcomers, and post short answers too, leaving the newbies to think that there's some sort of inside joke that they're not in on. it alienates them. i can say from their point of view that it gets confusing sometimes too. i think a "how much do you post pump" thread might be a good channel for their urge to pump, because everyone else can steer clear if they so wish.

a really good way to control post pumping, or at least to reduce it, is to use some different method to determine title, such as basing it solely on time spent in the forum (active only), or using a time : post ratio. it shouldn't be too hard to think up an algorithm for such a ratio, and i'd be more than happy to do it myself if no one else wanted to.

and i never said that you were using me as an example, i was using myself as an example because that was the easiest for me to do. technically, as i said, i am still a newbie here (and yes, i am trying my hardest to be respectful of the rules, and as far as i can tell, i haven't violated any yet, and many of them are very similar to the rune forum rules, and the rules from almost every forum i've visited, let alone frequented). some newcomers to the forum (and i'm going to resist my urges to name the people i think are examples of this, because then i feel i might be guilty of some form of hypocracy) do come in, guns blazing, trying to make post after post without anything important or interesting to say. some are just trying to get the hang of things. others have honestly no clue what they're doing. i think a "hi" thread is actually a good idea, now that i think about it (and i wish i had thought of it, it's a nice way to make a first post, much better than my first post, which assumed that everyone knew who i was). also, it's possible to post 20+ times a day and still have something to say. i see a lot of people pulling this off.
i'm sorry if i sounded like i was declaring war on you ethan, but i just felt that some of the things you said were unfair.
and in closing, down with the system, i declare revolution, martial law from now on (i'm just kidding, dammit, stop getting red everyone!)

[edit] oh, and i DID read the thread prior to posting. i just wasn't entirely coherent as to why i was using myself as an example. that was a misunderstanding, and it just furthers my point... you can't always know what the other person is thinking, and what may seem like stupidity or laziness to you might actually have made sense in someone else's head[/edit]

[Bilbo Baggins]

I do not care how many posts I made. As long as I get to 10,000 soon

[Trigear]

the gd credo, eh, bilbo?

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Originally posted by triGEAR
a really good way to control post pumping, or at least to reduce it, is to use some different method to determine title, such as basing it solely on time spent in the forum (active only), or using a time : post ratio. it shouldn't be too hard to think up an algorithm for such a ratio, and i'd be more than happy to do it myself if no one else wanted to.

Bad, bad idea. If anything that would encourage post pumping. We already have a method of calculating a time : post ratio - its the posts per day value in your profile. Telling someone that they will get a better title if they have more posts ber day would cause havoc, to say the least.

The point is that there is no algorithm to calculate what is a good post and what is not. The method that we have may not be perfect, but its the best that we have.

[edit]Point to note: This is not a flame war between triGEAR and I, or between anyone else for that matter. We've dsicussed many of the points raised here in IRC, and agree and disagree on certain ones. So before you start sharpening your stanley knives (anyone here from Sheffield?) and staert out an all out war, it is a debate, not a personal attack on anyone, and should stay that way. [/edit]

[Trigear]

i didn't mean necessarily calculating posts per day, but more of a way to calculate veteranship (i know that's not a real word) based on time AND posts, with a greater emphasis on time... that would keep someone from becoming a senior member in a week, say (which i think really really really defeats the purpose of calling them a senior member...) i'm thinking more along the lines of a complex algorithm involving ratios, percentages, pluses, minuses, x's, and y's, and hypotenuses, etc. (yeah, i was an engineering student for a while, cantcha tell?)


(and yes, i DID make senior member in less than a week... go ahead and flame)

[rm']

Originally posted by triGEAR
take for instance this thread... some might argue that this is a post pump, because it's irrelevant. but then what is relevant? if a thread about admitting post-pumping isn't relevant in a general discussion forum, then where is it relevant? and why is this one not, but a thread for "what would you do" perfectly fine? if we stuck to only tech questions, we'd be the tech support forum. and technically, anything other than tech questions and straight answers is irrelevant. so anyways...

I don't think it's a matter of relevancy. It's a matter of "Does this new reply I am making add something to the community, or does it actually detract from other posts?" Keep in mind, everytime you reply to a thread, you push another, possibly more interesting thread down the list. Do the thoughts of other members deserve that kind of treatment? If you do this day in an day out, at more then 20 times a day, I wouldn't think so. Plus, with a large number of posts, a thread will spill over to another thread. It's a daunting task to read such a thread... especially if you never read it before, and it already at three pages. The most aggravating thing is to read over such a thread, and find that 80% of the material is incoherent, and essentially, textual spam.

btw, I propose we all give ethan a pat on the back for doing such a bang up job at moderating.

[rm']

Originally posted by triGEAR
i didn't mean necessarily calculating posts per day, but more of a way to calculate veteranship (i know that's not a real word) based on time AND posts, with a greater emphasis on time... that would keep someone from becoming a senior member in a week, say (which i think really really really defeats the purpose of calling them a senior member...)

There is no way to determine the quality of a member other then to actually sit down a read everyone of their posts. If we use time as a factor, we end up with snobbery and elitism. Using posts, we result in the predicament you described above. Cases have occured where a member, in 1 short week, have demonstrated their virtues, and members have hung around for months only to annoy and insult.

[Trigear]

amen, and yeah and all... but couldn't you honestly use your discretion to scan over the 80% of pointless crap to get to the other 20%? (and that 80% crap i would say is spread pretty evenly between n00bs and vets...)

(and if you wore galoshes, you could wade through all the shit without worrying much. that would help a lot.)

[edit]but i tire of arguing this. AND i have to go prep for work. so please, let's just all agree to disagree and leave it at that.[/edit]

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Originally posted by rm'
btw, I propose we all give ethan a pat on the back for doing such a bang up job at moderating.

lol - thanks

[Cheezychops]

2 counting this one

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by rm'

btw, I propose we all give ethan a pat on the back for doing such a bang up job at moderating.

Definitely as it gives me much more time to have some rest

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Thanks

I'd settle for a nice Winamp t-shirt, cap and mug....

Steve? Oh Steeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvveeeee????????

[Twilightseer]

Originally posted by ethan_h
Thanks

I'd settle for a nice Winamp t-shirt, cap and mug....

Steve? Oh Steeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvveeeee????????

Sorry, we're pretty broke at the moment. All we have left is a bunch of Sonique 2 caps which Lycos sent to us after they laid off the team