mp3pro - Page 2

Rocker · 21st July 2002, 05:26

Quote:

Originally posted by AzaToth
but the quality is muy good, even in mode -1 (47kbps) the file is listenable.

and at that size its streamable to a analogue modem (just provided that you have a good connection)

Wish · 21st July 2002, 06:21

Get all the Nero users to email Ahead asking for Ogg Vorbis support in the next version of Nero. If they can support shitty formats like MP3Pro, WMA and VQF, I don't see why they can't support Ogg Vorbis which doesn't require them to pay any licensing fees or royalties.

mahneb · 21st July 2002, 10:17

I've already e-mailed ahead and asked for a plugin, but i dont think the'll do one for me eh?

Still, the reason why they have introduced MP3Pro support is because it's German. Brothers stick together and all that. MP3Pro also has hardwares support from companies like Phillips with they're new Streamium products.

It's like DiVX will have hardware support too. This mainly uses MP3 to compress the audio. Players already have MP3 decoding as standard so this will be only a small mod to integrate MP3Pro. It's the old VHS vs Betamax senario isn't it?

mahneb · 21st July 2002, 10:52

just another little question for you guys.

Is there any radio sites that stream OGG files?

AzaToth · 21st July 2002, 11:22

So no one will fight for implement of ogg in divx or relevant products?

Rocker · 21st July 2002, 13:22

Quote:

Originally posted by mahneb
just another little question for you guys.

Is there any radio sites that stream OGG files?

bbc was testing vorbis for a few months

craigF had a link in his sig for a few months too

they've finished the testing of vorbis....so the servers have been pulled down.

icecast supports ogg vorbis broadcasting
http://www.icecast.org (i believe theirs a winamp2 plugin floating around)

the links on the site are mp3 streams (most of them)

shoutcast will support vorbis (one day) too.

Quote:

So no one will fight for implement of ogg in divx or relevant products?

hmmm.... you can do that already

CraigF · 22nd July 2002, 11:46

wait till you see nsv

mahneb · 23rd July 2002, 07:17

What the F*** is nsv?

Russ · 23rd July 2002, 08:55

NSV

mahneb · 23rd July 2002, 20:14

If your implying that NSV is DiVX with MP3 support, that already exisists. If your saying that it's AVI with MP3 support then that'll never succeed. If your saying that NSV is a completely new format then that'll have to be something special to challenge DiVX which is already mainstream.

DiVX can now have OGG audio instead of MP3 audio. That is interesting, and DiVX has big corporate muscle behind it.

NSV is doomed.

Russ · 23rd July 2002, 20:31

I'm not saying any of that. Avi already has MP3 support. I don't think you understand what is meant by these formats.

Container formats such as AVI, MOV, MPEG4, the new Ogg Theora, and so on can contain any video and audio compressed by any codec, as long as that codec is present on the sending and recieving system. For example, as long as I had the divx and ogg directshow codecs installed on my system, I could have had DivX with Ogg Vorbis audio 2 years ago.

NSV is (from what I know) a new streamable container format, which will use VP3 as the main video codec. Are you saying NSV doesn't have big corporate muscle behind it? NSV is slated to be the primary streaming format for the largest media content company in the world, apparently replacing realmedia.

JBDude · 24th July 2002, 01:39

Quote:

Originally posted by mahneb
Well, i've just tried encoding one track off my purchased Donell Jones Album "My Heart" (just in case you think i dont buy them) and encoded it in the following qualities.

MP3pro 96Kbps 44Hz Highest Quality - Filesize 3,062K
OGG (using Cdex) Quality 5 - Filesize 4,930K
OGG Quality 3 - Filesize 3,494K
OGG Quality 2 - Filesize 2,789K
OGG Quality 2.50 - Filesize 3,005K

And my conclusion from this is that OGG does in fact sound better than MP3Pro in all qualities. . I was very impressed. I wanted to get the same filesize as MP3pro at 96kbps (the highest quality) and do a comparison. This, as you can see, is the 2.50 quality mark. It has more definition and sounds like a livelier mid range. Very impressive.

So i applaud the team at Vorbis for a cracking Job. But where does that leave me now.

2 questions. How does one use Nero to create tracks in this format and how do i burn the tracks onto a CD using Nero. If i cant then i'll have to stick with MP3Pro at the moment because i've bought it and i'd like to use it.

Like one of my arguments, it's not very well supported is it.

Does WA3 support OGG?...

Using Nero you can burn OGG's to CD as a standard data CD ..but you can't take a wav file and do convert & burn with OGG as you can with mp3...yet

mahneb · 24th July 2002, 07:04

OK so AOLTW have jumped on the streaming video bandwagon with a format that is relatively old. They would like to use (i assume) DiVX but with all the possibilities of law suites flying around have decided (if your correct) to use VP3.

I have tried VP3 and it's not as good as XVid, or Divx 4 for that matter. But where does this leave Mpeg? Is there any movement in the MPeg stakes for improving quality compression ratios? I would have thought using MPeg format with Mp3pro codec would be a major coup? wouldn't you?..

mahneb · 24th July 2002, 07:06

Oh yes!!.....and whats all this OGM? OGG movie streaming format?....i've heard of it but i havent seen any downloads or any codecs relasewd for this system yet...

Or do you know where i could get them and try it?

Russ · 24th July 2002, 08:18

The ogg video format is called theora, as opposed to the audio format which is vorbis, and it's site can be found here (it's not released yet). Note that Theora also uses the VP3 video codec. They also have an experimental actual video codec called Tarkin, which is wavelet-based, but nowhere near completion yet, and VP3 will be used until Tarkin is finished.

mahneb · 24th July 2002, 08:41

Call me an old cynic or something......but whats the point on using old technology like VP3 to stream video when open source encoding like XvID are FAR superior to VP3.....They are now working on VP5 so what is the point?

They'de do better to stick with Tarkin or whatever it's called because using that old crap VP3 is just a complete waste of time.

It just smacks of bandwagon jumping and completely missing it.

Russ · 24th July 2002, 08:49

That's the whole point of a container format - it can handle any codec, as long as the client has that codec installed.

AzaToth · 24th July 2002, 09:43

The problem with container is that you never know what's inside.

mahneb · 24th July 2002, 17:47

Youv'e lost me now guys i'm afraid.....what the hell is a container?

Russ · 24th July 2002, 17:55

You don't have a divx file, you have an avi file which uses the divx codec for it's video and say MP3 for it's audio. Similarly, a Quicktime mov file uses, say, the sorenson codec for the video, and god knows what for the audio. MPEG-4 will use AAC for the audio, and one of a selection of video codecs.

Avi, mov, mpeg-4, ram, wmv, and so on are all container formats, and that's what nsv is up against, although some of them only usually use only one codec.

mahneb · 25th July 2002, 07:05

AAhhhhhhhh ok, now i get it.

NSV is definately doomed to failure then.

Oh well.

23rd July 2002, 08:55	#49
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	NSV For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

23rd July 2002, 20:31	#51
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	I'm not saying any of that. Avi already has MP3 support. I don't think you understand what is meant by these formats. Container formats such as AVI, MOV, MPEG4, the new Ogg Theora, and so on can contain any video and audio compressed by any codec, as long as that codec is present on the sending and recieving system. For example, as long as I had the divx and ogg directshow codecs installed on my system, I could have had DivX with Ogg Vorbis audio 2 years ago. NSV is (from what I know) a new streamable container format, which will use VP3 as the main video codec. Are you saying NSV doesn't have big corporate muscle behind it? NSV is slated to be the primary streaming format for the largest media content company in the world, apparently replacing realmedia. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

24th July 2002, 08:18	#55
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	The ogg video format is called theora, as opposed to the audio format which is vorbis, and it's site can be found here (it's not released yet). Note that Theora also uses the VP3 video codec. They also have an experimental actual video codec called Tarkin, which is wavelet-based, but nowhere near completion yet, and VP3 will be used until Tarkin is finished. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

24th July 2002, 08:49	#57
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	That's the whole point of a container format - it can handle any codec, as long as the client has that codec installed. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

24th July 2002, 17:55	#60
Russ Mostly Harmless (Alumni) Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: UK Posts: 2,319	You don't have a divx file, you have an avi file which uses the divx codec for it's video and say MP3 for it's audio. Similarly, a Quicktime mov file uses, say, the sorenson codec for the video, and god knows what for the audio. MPEG-4 will use AAC for the audio, and one of a selection of video codecs. Avi, mov, mpeg-4, ram, wmv, and so on are all container formats, and that's what nsv is up against, although some of them only usually use only one codec. For long you live and high you fly, but only if you ride the tide, and balanced on the biggest wave you race towards an early grave. \|Musicbrainz\|Audioscrobbler\|last.fm\|

21st July 2002, 06:21	#42
Wish Major Dude Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 702	Get all the Nero users to email Ahead asking for Ogg Vorbis support in the next version of Nero. If they can support shitty formats like MP3Pro, WMA and VQF, I don't see why they can't support Ogg Vorbis which doesn't require them to pay any licensing fees or royalties.

21st July 2002, 10:17	#43
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	I've already e-mailed ahead and asked for a plugin, but i dont think the'll do one for me eh? Still, the reason why they have introduced MP3Pro support is because it's German. Brothers stick together and all that. MP3Pro also has hardwares support from companies like Phillips with they're new Streamium products. It's like DiVX will have hardware support too. This mainly uses MP3 to compress the audio. Players already have MP3 decoding as standard so this will be only a small mod to integrate MP3Pro. It's the old VHS vs Betamax senario isn't it?

21st July 2002, 10:52	#44
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	just another little question for you guys. Is there any radio sites that stream OGG files?

21st July 2002, 11:22	#45
AzaToth Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 34	So no one will fight for implement of ogg in divx or relevant products?

22nd July 2002, 11:46	#47
CraigF Passionately Apathetic Administrator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Hell Posts: 5,435	wait till you see nsv

23rd July 2002, 07:17	#48
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	What the F*** is nsv?

23rd July 2002, 20:14	#50
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	If your implying that NSV is DiVX with MP3 support, that already exisists. If your saying that it's AVI with MP3 support then that'll never succeed. If your saying that NSV is a completely new format then that'll have to be something special to challenge DiVX which is already mainstream. DiVX can now have OGG audio instead of MP3 audio. That is interesting, and DiVX has big corporate muscle behind it. NSV is doomed.

24th July 2002, 07:04	#53
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	OK so AOLTW have jumped on the streaming video bandwagon with a format that is relatively old. They would like to use (i assume) DiVX but with all the possibilities of law suites flying around have decided (if your correct) to use VP3. I have tried VP3 and it's not as good as XVid, or Divx 4 for that matter. But where does this leave Mpeg? Is there any movement in the MPeg stakes for improving quality compression ratios? I would have thought using MPeg format with Mp3pro codec would be a major coup? wouldn't you?..

24th July 2002, 07:06	#54
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	Oh yes!!.....and whats all this OGM? OGG movie streaming format?....i've heard of it but i havent seen any downloads or any codecs relasewd for this system yet... Or do you know where i could get them and try it?

24th July 2002, 08:41	#56
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	Call me an old cynic or something......but whats the point on using old technology like VP3 to stream video when open source encoding like XvID are FAR superior to VP3.....They are now working on VP5 so what is the point? They'de do better to stick with Tarkin or whatever it's called because using that old crap VP3 is just a complete waste of time. It just smacks of bandwagon jumping and completely missing it.

24th July 2002, 09:43	#58
AzaToth Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 34	The problem with container is that you never know what's inside.

24th July 2002, 17:47	#59
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	Youv'e lost me now guys i'm afraid.....what the hell is a container?

25th July 2002, 07:05	#61
mahneb Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 39	AAhhhhhhhh ok, now i get it. NSV is definately doomed to failure then. Oh well.

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