What do YOU want to see here?

[Rovastar]

After mucho confusion, it seems, about what can and cannot be posted here. I thought I would get everyone’s views on what the responsible community would like to see in this forum.

I am referring to the sexual content of some of the threads posted recently ('Do you jack off?', thong of the day, etc).

Also (related) swearing in the posts do you think that it is excessive?

Remember that we do have pre-teens on the boards but freedom of speech is an important 'right' too and just as important we want to have fun.

And more recently post pumping? Allowed/ not allowed.

I would like to know what you he GD public think of these issues. These things are being discussed by the mods backstage but I would like to know your opinions. Rather then an OTT 'them' & 'us' mentality.

They may not be carried out but anyway.
So what do you think the mods should do about these issues are we too strict/too soft.

My personal views are if it could be shown on TV at 9pm (UK) then it would be OK. Otherwise no.

And posting pumping if you really want to do it is all ok.

Thongs of the day that is OK.
Jack Off thread – No. Remove.
bonj pointless pp threads leave them if that want you want to do do it.

[Bilbo Baggins]

I think it works fine as it is, as we all know what the bounds are, and the mods know too. If there is a major breaking of the rules, the thread goes, or if ther are lots of complaints, the thread goes.

Leave it alone I say.

[binary hero]

personally, and i am being serious here, i want to see more sexual content, the jerk off thread is fine. You obviously weren't around in the days of spooge. I want more flaming, IT IS FUNNY. more mods fiddling with user accounts (it would have been hillarious to have seen windude's title as "paranoid idiot" or somesuch). I am fine with swearing, there is nothing wrong with swearing, it is expressing an opinion. Bonj is good, and as with spooge, you weren't around (heh) Mods these days are too strict.

[Neko]

Originally posted by Rovastar

Remember that we do have pre-teens on the boards but freedom of speech is an important 'right' too and just as important we want to have fun.

the reason the COPPA question is asked during signup., if the child is too young to read such things, their parents should decide if the boards are fit for their childs eyes, not you

[Emperor Chen]

Post #13

Originally posted by Rovastar
Thongs of the day that is OK.
Jack Off thread – No. Remove.
bonj pointless pp threads leave them if that want you want to do do it.

I concur

If it can be shown on cable TV (less the premium channels ie. HB-HO, Skinemax, Ho-time) here in the states, then it should slide here in the forums.
A good example would be "The Man Show" on Comedy Central. They push the limits yet do not overstep the boundaries. The thong thread is comparable to it.
Post pumps? They'll happen no matter what. As I stated before, one man's post pump is another man's entertainment.

[Atmo]

I'm with bilbo on this one. I dont think there needs to be any changes.

[pixiefied]

Originally posted by binary hero
personally, and i am being serious here, i want to see more sexual content

^^ a guys opinion of course ^^


i think the jack off thread was fine.if you wanna post and let the lil
guy out of the closet...thats fine,its your rep

the nudity thing is a little concerning since we do have young ones in here. if you had a kid...what would you want them to see in these forums???

[Montana]

i believe in the freedom of spreech and just let it be, there's always have some mornos in the forums that just want some attention.
i'd like if censoring would not occur on the forums but in cases which includes very annoying postpumping, (extreme) stupidity and nudity (unless you have a very good explanition for it) and so on
then block that and let the other things go.

and another thing, people curse here, so what? i often use cursing as an form of expression. slap a parental advisory sticker on me, see if i care

[Bilbo Baggins]

How about slapping a ban on you...

[pixiefied]

[Atmo]

Originally posted by pixiefied
if you had a kid...what would you want them to see in these forums???

Theres not much that goes on in these forums that wouldnt go on in schoolyards across the world.

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The problem(?) of swearing can easily be solved. vBulletin, as far as I know, comes with a filter where certain words will be replaced with *******.

[pixiefied]

has winamp ever recieved letters or emails from parents complaining??

[Atmo]

Originally posted by pixiefied
has winamp ever recieved letters or emails from parents complaining??

Its the parents own fault if they dont supervise their childeren while theyre online.

[Neko]

Originally posted by ethan_h
The problem(?) of swearing can easily be solved. vBulletin, as far as I know, comes with a filter where certain words will be replaced with *******.

easilly bypased by using .. F[b.][/.b]uck
minus the .'s , unless you strip the vb code that is, i have the same prob on my forums

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Anyone that goes to that much trouble to say the word fu<k deserves to say it

Seriously though, anyone who tries to flout it shoud get a reprimand.

[pixiefied]

ya..it will give you mods something to do

[n_ick2000]

I don't think swearing is a problem at all. As long as it stays in somewhat of a moderation (like it is), it's fine.

[Rovastar]

Wow this thread took off I wasn't expecting it to be so quick.

Bilbo do we all really know the boundaries are? Discusing it backstage we sure do not. We have many different viewpoints.

The post pumping thing I can find no rules about it.

Originally posted by Neko


the reason the COPPA question is asked during signup., if the child is too young to read such things, their parents should decide if the boards are fit for their childs eyes, not you

OK Ray before quotng COPPA to me work out what is actually is. The COPPA question has nothing directly to do with the content of the forums at all.
See: COPPA

Maybe parents should decide but sorry to disappoint you but sadly we DO decide what you are/aren't allowed to see.

The mods are acting responsibaly (OK trying ) to stop unsuitable content being here.

[Gonzotek]

Originally posted by Bilbo Baggins
I think it works fine as it is, as we all know what the bounds are, and the mods know too. If there is a major breaking of the rules, the thread goes, or if ther are lots of complaints, the thread goes.

Leave it alone I say.

That's great for the users. But what happens when the mods don't all follow the same set of criteria to begin with. Sawg (who I fully appreciate every single day) really doesn't participate much in GD, mods like Matt and Ethan do. So they all see the same post (bonjs', for example) and sawg thinks it's whack-worthy, while ethan and matt don't (just examples, don't quote me on their position in this). I'm asking to more clearly delineate what's a no-no and what's acceptable. I found nothing wrong with bonj's post, especially in light of the other pointless and even sickening threads in GD recently.

And reading over the forum literature (what little I can find) I found no mention of post-pumping being a whackable offence.

Don't worry, freedom of speech is highly regarded by Nullsoft, so you are free to express your views EXCEPT if they are highly insulting to certain groups or people.

from http://forums.winamp.com/announcement.php?s=&forumid=1
I'd think that would include the view that this is, indeed, a post. Just my thoughts.

-=Gonzotek=-

[ujay]

Winamp has a large teen population and pushing the limits will always be a part of the boards. This is the time of life when you enter the grown up world and start to find out how it works and how you can carve your own path. What often amuses me is the skill and creativity that goes into pushing the boudaries that little bit further.

Originally posted by Atmo

Its the parents own fault if they dont supervise their childeren while theyre online.

Ultimately true, yes. But if parents are to trust Winamp then that does put certain responsibilities on Nullsoft.

UJ

[Emperor Chen]

Originally posted by pixiefied
if you had a kid...what would you want them to see in these forums???

If I had a kid, he'd be more than welcome to anything online that doesn't require "adult checks"
To shelter anyone from what is considered everyday conversation, which I think the forums are, is restricting them from ordinary, everyday society.

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If you had a kid, they'd probably have numbers on their heads...

Kid #1, Kid #2....

[Atmo]

Originally posted by ujay
But if parents are to trust Winamp then that does put certain responsibilities on Nullsoft.

Absolutely, pr0n, or anything else not deemed suitible for childeren should not be allowed. But to censor swearing and such isnt neccesary unless its really over the top. If the word fuck is acceptable in court rooms and on television then why isnt it acceptable here??

[pixiefied]

* wonder how many of us are REALLY parents,kids under 15,government spys,parents spying on their own kids for ammo

[Illusion]

IMHO, there needs to be a lot more restraint on what is being posted on the forums currently. Many of these threads are just infantile. Most of the time, I enjoy reading many of the threads here, especially in GD, but some threads recently are bordering on perverted.

Getting many different people's opinions on news or an idea is good. Listening to wanna-be studs telling us how manly they are (and giving graphic descriptions) is bad. These recent posts are not what I call exercising restraint. Even worse, some of the mods / senior members seem to be joining in, which won't do anything but encourage those who read the threads.

People, we all want to enjoy our time here, and some of the recent threads have stepped well over the line. If you really want to post threads with debatable content, try another forum.

As for the mods & some senior members - I have issues with some of you at the moment (not naming names). You are supposed to be here to advise and help, not to encourage the threads that have been present recently. I would expect that you should be more responsible. Especially the mods - surely you are there to keep people in line, not to encourage them....

I think if people are crossing the line, they need to be warned and/or banned. And, I think some of the mods - you know who you are - should lift your game. The forums are for fun, not for what has been posted here recently.

Well, there we go, I've said it... now let's see something done about it. And soon.

[Jon Deaux]

I do not live in a G rated world, nor would I care to.
The internet is no place for children to be by themselves, if at all.
If you are over 12 you are not a child.
Swearing adds emphasis, humor, and color to many posts.
Nudity, tastefully presented is wonderful...god intended us to be nude, god does not make clothing, and I don't really care WWJD.
Pornography has no place here except perhaps to illustrate some point or in jest, plenty of porn is available online for those so disposed.
Flaming can be fun, but some take it too seriously, or don't really understand the concept, like those who came from the Winamp forums (who shall remain nameless, and yes, I do know who you are) and invaded a certain newsgroup, making death threats and the like, this sort of thing takes the fun out of stuff.
And other than that...
...ANARCHY NOW!

[Rovastar]

Originally posted by ethan_h
If you had a kid, they'd probably have numbers on their heads...

Kid #1, Kid #2....

ROFL a great post in a serious (well for GD anyway) thread.

[Illusion]

If you had a kid, they'd probably have numbers on their heads...

I'm gonna call my kids Alpha, Beta and Omega.

[apollos]

Uneccesary policing of the forums is lame. After all, it should be the parents job to monitor what sites their children go to and should not be a concern of a moderator.

Go ahead, flame my ass mr Rovastar

[Emperor Chen]

Originally posted by ethan_h
If you had a kid, they'd probably have numbers on their heads...

Kid #1, Kid #2....

Actually, with my flagrantly irresponsible lifestyle, they'd be more apt to be called Mistake #1, Mistake #2, etc.

[fwgx]

I dont have a problem with any of the threads or contenet here recently (but once you've seen goatse you've see it all). The thong thread. Well goto a beach in summer, what do you see? Young kids making sand castles and girls in skimpy bikinis if not topless. I'm sure anyone over 13 has seen such things, I remember watching baywatch when I was 13 at 5:30 on a saturday afternoon. There was nothing more pornographic in that thread or that hasn't been show in early eavning tv.

There was bonj's post pumping thread which i found very funny, no use to it but I laughed a lot at it. I don't laugh at these threads
a story
what do you do game
current mp3 being played
band name game
and once i've seen them, If I don't want to read them I stay clear, otherwise I postcount++.

Don't try and tell me any of these threads really has a purpose, they are silly and serve no objective, they are there for people to enjoy and not get into a formal discussion but to laugh. bonj's was exactly the same but was for no reason deemed unacceptable. Smilie flooding is the norm in *******, people complain occasionally but it's all taken with a pinch of salt and nobody gets hurt. Same shoud be true on the forums.

The do you jack off thread was a bit low brow but I doubt anyone clicked on it thinking it would be a serious thread. There is nothing particularly offensive in the thread, nothing a 13yr old wouldn't already be at least interested in. If you deem it unacceptable for a 13 ear old to be viewing it then so be it but it is the parents responsibility to vet this site before consenting their child to view it. They can hardly not at least check it out see what is posted here before giving consent for their kid to view it. This is a trust that COPPA sites put in the parents. If there is a sexual advice forum that obides by COPPA rules and the parent agrees it's acceptable for their kid to read such material who is the site to question that?

I would post a link to a forum that has some of the most intelligent discussions you'll find on the web but i'd be banned because of the main point of the forum.

[Bop]

Leave everything alone. The forums go through several different phases and at the moment we are at a point where people have a lot of time on their hands and many of them are bored stiff. The current stock of threads will pass; when people go back to school and they are around more intellectual content, the threads will reflect it.

As far as post-pumping is concerned, there really isn't an objective way to discern between useless and relevant posts... unless it is as blatant as "this is a post pump", "this is a thread", etc.

Nudity, porn, warez, etc. has no place here. There are enough places on the net to find what you are looking for- please try to keep this place tasteful and tactful. The "thong thread" is not nudity, it is PG-13 at best and thats completely acceptable.

I think for the most part the mods do an excellent job and when they do make a mistake, please be considerate enough to know that they are human and they will make mistakes just like everyone else. The best thing to do is either report the post or send them a pm. You will find that most of the time, mods are more than willing to explain their actions.

-Bop

[spookz]

this a forum that more or less revolves around a stinking mp3 player
most members here i would think are teens
how serious can you get here?
if you need intellectual discussions, there are plenty of other forums out there
i say let it all hang out (except in the shoutcast section where i expect to see the mods with whips cracking!)

[Bop]

Originally posted by spookz
this a forum that more or less revolves around a stinking mp3 player

The people of GD do not come here day in and day out because of a music player. Most of us do not make skins, or help in tech support; we come here because we are friends- and it's a decent place to hang out. Winamp (the music player) is secondary.

[pixiefied]

this place is alot better and safe than chat rooms

[Sandman2012]

Looks like I'm a bit late to this topic! I'm of the opinion that a laissez-faire attitude on the part of the mods is best. Certain things are obviously stated in the rules as being not allowed, ie. cracks, warez, porn, etc. Other things are in a gray area.

The "jack-off" thread didn't bother me in most of its content, although I did refrain from posting anything about my ideas because I didn't feel this was a place for me to discuss such things. If others wish to, that's fine by me, and quite entertaining IMO.

The "thong" thread? The line between "porn" and "not porn" has always been debatable. Fifty years ago women wore one-oiece bathing suits that had skirts down to the knees. Today L'il Kim can show up at an MTV awards show with nothing but a paistie over her nipple and it's deemed appropriate to show on TV.

Swearing in posts I think is alright, if it's not overly used, not so much because I find it vulgar, but because the words lose their strength and meaning when used too often.

Post-pumping doesn't seem to occur that often. We all do it sometimes. Like porn, how do you tell the difference between a "necessary" post and an "un-necessary" one? It is dismaying to look at the first page of GD and find half the threads to be something not worth reading, especially to those of us with dial-up which makes every page load takes forever, but I don't think the mods should have to step in. If I become bored here, i can visit another forum or not. Besides, sometimes a so-called "meaningless" thread becomes interesting or even meaningful.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I'd better stop before this post reaches curi0s_ge0rge proportions (jk there, c_g ).

[roby0215]

Originally posted by Phily Baby

There was bonj's post pumping thread which i found very funny, no use to it but I laughed a lot at it. I don't laugh at these threads
a story
what do you do game
current mp3 being played
band name game
and once i've seen them, If I don't want to read them I stay clear, otherwise I postcount++.

Don't try and tell me any of these threads really has a purpose, they are silly and serve no objective, they are there for people to enjoy and not get into a formal discussion but to laugh. bonj's was exactly the same but was for no reason deemed unacceptable.
I would post a link to a forum that has some of the most intelligent discussions you'll find on the web but i'd be banned because of the main point of the forum. [/B]

and I agree. What purpose does the Forum serve? It's a forum!! It's for people to get together. It's kind of like a bar - you can see the intellectuals sitting on one side, the goof-offs who dont give a care and just want to shout obsenities on another, those who are just there still on another side. Just because the other groups aren't your "cup", doens't mean you should ban them from the bar. If you thinks the posts in a thread are stupid (which sometimes I do) then don't post there! Just like you wouldn't hang out with the people that aren't part of your crowd. But all this bickering as of late looks bad, for all of the newer members here, and for those that have been here a long time. Lets just get on with enjoying the forum.

BTW - I personally like thecurrent mp3 being played thread. I check it every so often, and if I don't know a track/artist, I look into them to see if it would be interesting for me to pick up/listen to. So, one persons "pump post" is my enjoyment.


Richie

[binary hero]

Originally posted by spookz
if you need intellectual discussions, there are plenty of other forums out there

we have our share of intellectual discussions.

to rovastar, nobody else, this is directed at him, and probably would be better in PM, but i want to express my feelings in this OPEN forum:
who exactly do you think you are? you come amongst us, and, probably because of the lack of moderators from the milkdrop forum, you are modded. Then you come into a forum you very rarley post in, and you make a thread which does little more than create rifts in our community. I joined at around the same time that you did, admittedly after much lurking, but i don't go round wanting change. I trust the long-term mods, namley matt and bilbo to do a good job...why do you have to interfere? you know as much as i do about these people, just leave it as it is, don't unstick stickeys don't cause trouble and we will all get on. I believe this thread is an act of blind stupidity, made by you without thinking of the consequences.

and to anyone who cares:
I'll be staying around a couple of days, gonna see how this pans out, i'll probably be lurking...after that, i will either return to normality or leave. If i take the latter option, bye.

[tjb2004]

Rovastar, what forum do you moderate?