Old 31st January 2004, 16:33   #1
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Why no Winamp2 Download

Why have you taken all winamp2 downloads off?
Do you want to force people downloading winamp5?
I (and many others) won't download anything expect 2.91 because 3 was CRAP. Winamp 2 was working fine for me and I don't want all the features of Winamp5.
I also don't want to install winamp5 and delete dll's because I don't trust you. So:
Why don't you add the Winamp2.91 to the downloads and many people would be happy?
Or do you simply want to make $profit$?

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Old 31st January 2004, 16:43   #2
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Because winamp5 IS winamp2.91 with a whole bunch of additional plugins. You don't need to delete plugins, you can just uncheck them when you install it.

Or if you bothered to search the forums you would have found the url to all old versions of winamp.

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Old 31st January 2004, 17:17   #3
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I think it's about time someone made a sticky thread labeled: "Too stupid to search the forums!?! Find winamp2 here!"

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[@sim`a] i have nightmares about syntax errors, whats your point
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Old 31st January 2004, 17:17   #4
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As Sanosuke said, Winamp 5 is the continuation of the Winamp 2.x line, as was proposed by Nullsoft 10 months ago, and now fulfilled.

Please do some research first.

Winamp3 was a separate product entirely, built from scratch on the wasabi platform. There is no connection between Winamp (2.x / 5.x) and Winamp3, except for the fact that Winamp 5 supports Winamp3 freeform skins (now known as Modern Skins) via a plugin (gen_ff.dll).

Winamp 5.01 is the latest version of Winamp (2.9x)
Winamp 5.0 was the direct upgrade from and continuation of the Winamp 2.9x product.

The FULL version of Winamp 5 is FREE.
If you don't want support for CD Burning/Ripping and Modern Skin Support,
uncheck these features (and any others) during installation setup.

When run in classic skin mode, Winamp 5 looks & performs exactly the same as Winamp 2.91, except with a few bug fixes and improved/enhanced functionality, and is the equivalent of having, say, a Winamp 2.99 installed.

The classic 2.91 base skin is still the default base skin in 5.x
The 'modern' skin is just a skin, whereas the classic skin is built-in.

However, if you want to use an old, buggy, non-supported version, then fine...
Take yourself to any of these sites and be done with it.
www.winampheaven.net | www.winampheaven.tk | www.oldversion.com
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Old 1st February 2004, 00:15   #5
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If you don't trust Nullsoft, why are you using NULLSOFT Winamp 2.91? Use WiMP, it suits you.

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Old 1st February 2004, 03:10   #6
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Use WiMP, it suits you.
Now that's an insult if I've ever heard one.
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Old 1st February 2004, 03:35   #7
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Old 1st February 2004, 14:32   #8
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winampheaven.net didn't work.
make it a sticky thread.
i just saw there is no wa2 download and due to the fact winamp belongs to aol i thaught aol forced you to add some fucked up drm stuff in winamp5 and activate it someday. sorry for not trusting everyone!
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Understandable. Sorry for calling you a Windows Media Player user.

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i just saw there is no wa2 download and due to the fact winamp belongs to aol i thaught aol forced you to add some fucked up drm stuff in winamp5 and activate it someday. sorry for not trusting everyone!
Never assume anything!
Besides, AOL bought Nullsoft in 1999
and that's why Winamp became freeware as from v2.5

Also note that winampheaven was temporarily offline yesterday.
Regardless of all that... 5.01 is the way to go my friend.
Heaps better than 2.91
Get it now whilst there's still time before 5.02 release


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Old 3rd February 2004, 15:53   #12
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if you don' want the extras like freeform skins support and video support go here and get the lite version
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Is that what it is?

Ah. And here I was thinking that only the spyware got a revamp.

Really, you would think that there would be a complete opt-out of the whole 'anonymous usage reporting' business, instead of the half-assed tickbox which, when unticked, still manages to go online once in a while.

Somebody ought to write a *real* winamp5 lite. The same they did for Kazaa Lite (which, incidentally, isn't quite dead, like so many believe - 2.6 is out).
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Old 4th February 2004, 04:08   #14
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Nah! You're wrong mate.
It's NOT spyware. Far far from it. And I should know! Trust me.
If it was, then I wouldn't be using Winamp myself.
btw, that same OPTION was also in Winamp 2.x
and when unchecked, the feature is disabled, totally!
If it's still 'going online' then uncheck 'check for new versions', don't use the Now Playing feature, and disable cddb. Or, seeing those features were all also in Winamp 2.x, you might as well just blow and use whatever other 3rd-rate player you're using instead... kthxbye.
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Great! Now, would the winamp team mind terribly if I did a third-party hack that removes those nonexistent spyware, and make winamp completely silent?

It would be distributed as freeware, of course. With full credits to the winamp peeps.
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Old 4th February 2004, 04:31   #16
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You'll drive yourself mad trying to remove something you yourself say is nonexistent but, hey, if you succeed, I promise you a cookie.

I was away for a while.
But I'm feeling much better now.
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Old 4th February 2004, 04:44   #17
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Well, you seem to be a bit confused as to the true definition of spyware...

For the extremely paranoid, there's even an option to select "not connected to the internet", and selecting this disables all online features.
So, you go to: Prefs > General Preferences, and uncheck:
Allow anon usage statistics | Check for new versions at startup
Select "not connected to the internet"
Go to: Prefs > Plugins > Input > CD plugin > config: uncheck 'use cddb'
Go to: Prefs > Media Library > Library Options
Uncheck: Display "Info Viewer" in media and album views
Checkmark: Do not allow media to automatically switch to 'Now Playing'

And never ever click on Now Playing in the Media Library.

Which is a crying shame really... to disable all these awesome features. But hey! :/

And, whilst you're at it, switch to the classic base skin, close all windows except for main, put it in windowshade mode, and minimize it to the system tray, so you'll never even know it's there. Then, remember it's still there 2 weeks later, and uninstall it for being such an annoyance.

Jeez, some people, eh?! lol
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Old 4th February 2004, 05:05   #18
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Sweet. For wub of cookie, I code!

roadmap:
1. TUID, obviously, goes. Not as in 'disabled', but more as in 'it doesn't exist any more'. Library view permanently kept in 'hide info' mode.

2. Rip the code out for 'usage collection' and 'automatic update'. Winamp can update manually just like everybody else.

3. CDDB? Who needs CDDB?

4. Minibrowser goes.

5. Investigate the streaming process.

6. Make the option to keep a log of all ip's contacted, and maybe a blacklist.

7. Automatic deletion of all winamp version-related cookies on startup.

8. Remove the option for MyBestBets completely. Stupid people sometimes neglect to do that themselves.

9. Remove all the other 'extra features' that comes optional, such as the info viewer and 'now playing'. Probably won't work without TUID anyway.

10. I quote the privy policy:
Our player automatically gathers certain anonymous usage information from you including, but not limited to, the length of your session, the number of tracks and streams you've played in a certain session, the number of CDs you've burned, played, or ripped, the number of tracks you've transferred to a portable device, the number of playlists you've created, the number of plug-ins you've installed, and the number of skins you've installed. We use this information to better understand how people use the various parts of our service and to improve the content, features and functionality of the player.

Gotta find out how you do that. And stop it from doing that.

Really, it's not like nobody would read the privacy policy, just because it's on the very bottom of the page in 8-point font.
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Old 4th February 2004, 05:08   #19
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Right next to, might I add, Advertising.
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Old 4th February 2004, 05:28   #20
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May I also suggest that you report one of the most popular freeware ad/spyware-free media players available on the net to the makers of:
Ad-Aware | Spybot S&D | PestPatrol | Spysweeper
and all other spyware detection/removal apps/sites listed here
so that they can all add Winamp to their next spyware detection updates.

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honestly, if you are worried about winamp, You should just uninstall Windows, and phone microsoft and tell bill gates you don't like DRM and Him spying on you, dig a hole live in it and hide from the world

Look at Windows media player or Real Player for Spy/report on there user's players before coming here and saying Winamp fits in that catagory.

IT DOESN'T.
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ad/spyware free?

Define adware for me. In what way does MyBestBets, which 'recommends albums you might like to buy', not qualify?

Same with spyware: 'anonymous usage information' + unique GUID to make it non-anonymous = spyware, regardless of what you actually do with the info.

These are bundled with the software. Just because they are optional does not change what they are. Getright used to contain Gator as an optional extra. But did they claim it wasn't spyware? No.

Ridicule and the closing of posts solves nothing. Perhaps if you were more transparent with the technical details, you could be more persuasive.
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Speaking of which, a specific question: Is the email address given when downloading the program, and when using the forum, correlated with the GUID and 'anonymous usage' in any way?

If so, then really the only thing up from WiMP is that 'work offline' doesn't disable Explorer.
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No. The forums are an entirely separate entity.
And you don't even need to provide an email address when installing Winamp.

Re: your previous post...
I don't know or even care about MyBestBets.
It isn't included with the default Winamp setup.
It is a separate additional/optional service which you can choose to sign up for, if you so wish.
For what it's worth, read the mbb privacy policy here

Instead of proposing to illegally hack Winamp to remove features you mistakenly interpret as spyware, why don't you just configure your firewall to deny Winamp all internet access... if you're really THAT concerned/paranoid about providing temporary ANONYMOUS statistics which help to better these free and useful services/features, or because you still erroneously think that it functions even after disabling it in the Prefs.

By the way, you can read Nullsoft's most emphatic & sincere explanation here.
Might as well read the whole thread whilst you're at it...

Oh, and have you reported Winamp to all those anti-spyware sites yet?
Hurry up, because as far as I know, the guy who codes Spybot Search & Destroy uses it too... omg! just what will he think!?

But seriously though matey... you're barking up the wrong tree
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Oh, no, it's not that. I live behind a hardware firewall, and port 80 is only accesible to a whitelist, so I'm pretty sure I'm secure. I just thought others would like to have the 'paranoid' settings, right out of the box, with no additional twiddling.

Personally, I view ANY information about me, sent over the internet to advertising companies, anonymous, aggregate, or otherwise, with a deep revolsion. I'm sure I'm not the only one to feel the same way.

Perhaps future releases of Winamp can ship with an Ultralite version to cater to people that are like me, except too lazy to tweak? It's not like the features I proposed - or the removals thereof - are hard to implement.

Incidentally, the privacy policy for MBB marks it as textbook adware:

"We use the information to determine which of the thousands of artists and albums are the ones that you’d most likely enjoy hearing. The information you provide is stored in a user profile on our secure servers and is compared with the universe of available music content to determine the best ‘matches’ based on your personal preferences. [...] We do, however, reserve the right to sell information once it has been stripped of personal identifiers and cannot be associated with individual users. We also reserve the right to share information with business partners of MyBestBets that have agreed to abide by our privacy policy."

One last thing: Say I'm one of those 'click yes when prompted' people who signed up to all the info collection gimmicks in the current winamp - even the opt-in ones. I also signed up for the forums. You receive a court order to reveal everything you know about me. How much would you know?

With privacy, it is not what people would do with your info. Simply possessing it would be worrying enough.
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If you are skeptical about the Internet & computers, please re-package your computer and return it to the store, move to Africa and live on the Sahara Desert. The internet won't be there.
but henry, what about wireless-s, the new sahara desert 802.11 protocol? i hear it allows 108mbps all over the desert!
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Oh, and I'm sure the first thing that S&D guy does after installing Winamp would be Options->Pref->disable usage collection.
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That is not an option on either WinAmp or Spybot,
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Oh, and I'm sure the first thing that S&D guy does after installing Winamp would be Options->Pref->disable usage collection.
No. Like most people who pay attention when installing programs, he probably unchecks it during setup.
Regardless of all that, it STILL isn't spyware even with the option enabled. Or are you STILL stubbornly denying this FACT?
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2ndart would you kindly stfu and quit the drama before the karma gets you.
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Seriously, he has a point. Most people have no idea about what Nullsoft does with this info. It might be good to have a "Paranoia Mode" option in the installer.

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lol. Don't you start as well
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superlite version no spyware at ALL

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lol. Don't you start as well
Oh, cmon... I take pride in the fact that I use programs not bogged down with Micro$oft-esque spy/ad/trackware. Obviously Winamp doesn't fit that profile, but most people are so used to devious software companies they don't trust anyone. Let them have their paranoid mode...

[ ] Paranoid Mode (for those l4m3rs who don't want features)


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If you're so afraid of Winamp being spyware when it's not, then go and use Ultraplayer or Real or Sonique. But please, cut the drama, it's not well-regarded here.
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>Regardless of all that, it STILL isn't spyware even with the option enabled. Or are you STILL stubbornly denying this FACT?

Tell me: how does having my usage information collected and sent over the internet, for the purpose of your marketing profit, and possibly weakening my case in a legal battle, improve my experience with Winamp?

My definition of spyware includes ANY information about my habits sent over the internet, unless it has my my expressed, rather than implied, permission, is opt-in, plus I know exactly what it does and is used for, in *detail*.

It may not be on the same blatant level as, say, Realplayer or Kazaa, but at least those softwares admits it (though heisitantly).

'superlite version no spyware at all'? Does that imply that if I want more features, I'll have to live with having my data harvested? Hmm...
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By the way: the privacy link from your licence agreement in the winamp installation wizard is down.

Yes, I'm the one in a million person who actually reads that.
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Taken from http://www.winamp.com/disclaimer.php
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Nullsoft respects the privacy of our users. This Privacy Policy outlines how Nullsoft collects and uses information when you download and use the Winamp player. Winamp is brought to you by Nullsoft.

Certain features that appear on Winamp such as the Infoviewer and the personalization wizard are provided by our partners. The anonymous information that we share with our partners is not used for any purpose other than to provide the service to you.

Information about Winamp Users
When you download the Winamp player, we collect certain information about you. We may ask for your email address and for demographic information such as your zip code and your gender. We collect your email address in order to contact you about changes and improvements to the Winamp player. We may also use it to tell you about products and services that we think will be of interest to you. We collect demographic information in order to better understand our users and to localize your player based on your geographic location. If you have downloaded a premium version of Winamp, we will ask you for your billing information which may include your name, address, and credit card information in order to process your order. We do not share, rent or sell your personally identifiable information to third parties. We do contract with partner companies to perform functions such as processing check and credit card payments so your billing information will be shared with them. They are not permitted to use your information for any other purpose. We may share anonymous user information with our partners in order to provide you with certain components of the Winamp service as described below.

When you download and install the Winamp player, it will automatically assign to you a globally unique identifier ("GUID") that is associated with your player. The GUID will never be matched with any personally identifiable information about you and it is not shared with any third parties or partners. The GUID allows us to analyze unique player usage patterns on an anonymous, aggregated basis.

To enhance your playback experience, Winamp uses technology that provides you with contextual information about the particular media which you have selected within the Media Library or are currently playing. This technology, provided by one of our partner companies, allows us to provide helpful information such as album art, artist biography, discography, and purchase information. When using the Infoviewer and Now Playing features, the player retrieves this contextual information and stores a Title Unique Identifier ("TUID") on your computer. The TUID allows the player to retrieve this information more efficiently on subsequent plays. Data regarding the specific media you are playing may be retained on an anonymous basis for up to one week and may be analyzed to identify top songs and artists being requested by our users. You have the option to turn this feature off by not accessing the Now Playing view AND pressing the "Hide Info" button within the Library views.

Our player automatically gathers certain anonymous usage information from you including, but not limited to, the length of your session, the number of tracks and streams you've played in a certain session, the number of CDs you've burned, played, or ripped, the number of tracks you've transferred to a portable device, the number of playlists you've created, the number of plug-ins you've installed, and the number of skins you've installed. We use this information to better understand how people use the various parts of our service and to improve the content, features and functionality of the player.

Personalization
The MyBestBets feature allows you to personalize your Winamp selections by providing us with information about the media that you are playing. Use of the MyBestBets function is completely voluntary. Our recommendation wizard may ask you about the genre of music you like, specific artists that you prefer, and the mix of music that you enjoy. It may also ask you for your email address, age range, zip code and country of residence. You may update this information at any time by accessing your profile. This data is tied to your email address and is used for several purposes. It is used to make recommendations to you about other artists that we think you may like based on the information you provide to us, to update you about performances and events in your area given by your favorite artists, to understand more about our user's musical interests, and to improve our product.

Cookies
Winamp may use cookies and web beacons to improve your experience at winamp.com. Cookies are small text files placed on your computer through your browser when you visit a web site. When you download a version of Winamp, it prompts our system to place a cookie on your computer to indicate which version of Winamp you have downloaded. When you go to www.winamp.com the cookies stored on your browser will tell us which home page to present to you. Through the use of cookies, users will be presented with a different home page designed for the version of Winamp that they are running. Cookies and web beacons may also be used by our advertising partners to collect aggregate advertising metrics and to understand which skins are downloaded and how often they are used.

Radio stations
Winamp provides our users with the tools to create their own online radio stations. Users who create their own radio stations are sent reports generated by the broadcast server about the listeners to their station. The reports include non-personally identifiable information such as the version of the Winamp player the listener is using, their IP address and how long the user has been listening to the station. This information is not sent to or retained by Winamp; it is transmitted directly to the station "owner" from the broadcast server. The purpose of this report is to provide the station "owner" with data about the capabilities of the listener's client and to prevent client spoofing.

Kids on Winamp
Winamp is not designed for children under age 18. Children under 18 should ask their parents for permission before using this service.

Legal Disclosure
Winamp was designed in such a way so that we would not maintain information about the personal listening habits of our individual users. In certain situations such as the receipt of a subpoena or court order, we may be required to share information about you as a Winamp user.

Security
Winamp uses encryption and other security procedures to help securely maintain any personal information that you provide to us. We also require our partners to establish procedures to provide for the security of information that we share with them about our users. While we make every effort to keep this information secure, we cannot guarantee that the security measures we take will prevent third parties from illegally obtaining your information.

Privacy Changes
If we decide to change the privacy policy for Winamp, we will post the changes here so that you will always know what information we collect about you, how we use it and whether it is shared with anyone.

Contact Information
Any questions regarding this privacy policy or the Winamp service can be sent to support@winamp.com or by calling 1-866-WINAMP5.
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