Old 24th February 2006, 02:55   #1
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Winamp 5.2 showing non media file type

My winamp 5.2 is showing non-media file types when i choose to open a file and "all supported file types" is selected in the file types box. This did not happen with 5.13 but did with 5.11 i believe. Is there a way to fix it? ive been looking everywhere but im not too sure what to look for.
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Old 24th February 2006, 03:52   #2
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Probably because you've got Winamp handling too many filetypes
(the Windows OS limitation for extensions in the Open Files Dialog is 260-characters)

Winamp > Prefs > Plugins > Input:

1. in_wave.dll > config
Remove internal support for some of the rarer formats
(eg. de-select: avr, caf, htk, mat, paf, pvf, sds, sf, w64)

2. in_midi > config > File Types tab
Deselect eg. HMP, XMI, MSS, GMD, MIDS, MIZ, HMZ

3. in_mod > config > Loaders tab
Hi-lite then uncheck Enabled for eg.
Ultratracker, 669, Farandole, DSMI ASF, Amiga, Polytracker

4. in_mp3.dll > config
Remove APL and VLB from the Extension List (and maybe MP1 too).


Note that this is NOT a bug.
Newer versions of Winamp support more file extensions by default than before. You would also come across Window's 260-character limitation in older versions of Winamp if you installed a few extra 3rd-party input plugins.
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Old 24th February 2006, 03:58   #3
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DJ Egg i LOVE YOU! thanks soo much. This worked perfectly for my problem if anyone else has this problem.
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Old 9th June 2006, 04:09   #4
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It didnt work for me.
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play->file->all supported types does NOT see WAV files
One must select all files *.*
Then it sees WAV files and will play them.
It is a supported file type -
Not only will winamp 5.24 play them but they are also selected in preferences.
I selected ALL file types to be sure it understood.
I also select WAV only and it still does not see the wav files in the directory if "all supported file types" is selected from the menu
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This bug is not the fact that WAV files are not shown as a file type in the drop down menu but are not seen in the directory when "all supported file types" is selected.

Create a directory
place four wav files in it
select play file
leave selection on "all supported file types"
browse to your directory with the 4 wav files
note the directory shows as empty
select a file type of *.*
browse back to your directory with the 4 wav files
note you see them

Change the supported file types to any combination you wish from just WAV to all and this bug repeats.
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Update install - previous version 5.23 saw WAV files

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Old 10th July 2006, 03:38   #6
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winelf...

What you said above is absolutely true. I can indeed reproduce the same behavior re: WAV files. However, it is not exactly the same problem that is discussed in this thread. I think you should have started a different, new thread for it IMHO.
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Old 10th July 2006, 03:44   #7
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I had put it in Bugs. A moderatory directed me to this thread so I thought that is where they wanted it.
hmmm
Okay - I'll start a new thread
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Old 10th July 2006, 03:46   #8
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It's a window issue, due to the for the Open Files Dialog is 260-characters. Some set ups it will leave some out, or show everything. This a limitation with Windows, and nothing Winamp can do can fix this.

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Old 10th July 2006, 03:47   #9
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Hang on...
If a Moderator directed you to post here, then so be it.
Do not start a new thread. The behavior may indeed be related.

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Ahh, thanx, drewbar.
Didn't see you post just now.

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Aaach! Too late. winelf wasted no time at all and already started another thread --> play->file->all supported types - does NOT see WAV files in directory

My bad! Sorry.
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Old 10th July 2006, 03:54   #10
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If it is a windows thing then 5.23 would have this problem. It doesn't. 5.23 on the same system sees wav files in a directory.
If it is a max number of file types it can see, and I give it only one supported file type WAV, the file type WAV is way under 260 characters. Thus with one supported file type of WAV, browsing to a directory with 4 wav files, one should see the wav files if "all supported file types" is selected on the menu drop down.
Windows behaves no different for 5.23 then it does for 5.24. 5.23 works as expected.
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winelf...

5.23 exhibited the SAME behavior on my system.

Anyway, do EXACTLY what DJ Egg said to do here...
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Originally posted by DJ Egg
Probably because you've got Winamp handling too many filetypes
(the Windows limitation for the Open Files Dialog is 260-characters)

Winamp > Prefs > Plugins > Input

in_wave.dll > config
Remove internal support for some of the rarer formats
(eg. de-select: avr, caf, htk, mat, paf, pvf, sds, sf, w64)

in_midi > config > File Types tab
Deselect eg. HMP, XMI, MSS, GMD, MIDS, MIZ, HMZ

in_mod > config > Loaders tab
Hi-lite then uncheck Enabled for eg.
Ultratracker, 669, Farandole, DSMI ASF, Amiga, Polytracker

in_mp3.dll > config
Remove APL and VLB from the Extension List
If you do all the above, WAV files will indeed show up in the Open Files dialog window. I know. I just did it.

Never ever doubt anything Egg says.
My bad again! Sorry Egg!

winelf...

If you are unsure of the actual file name (***.dll) of any plugins (in Winamp preferences > Plug-ins > right panel listings), then also install DrO's direct download--> One for Nunz plugin (discussion here), which will append the actual .dll file name to every plugin listed in Winamp preferences.
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Old 10th July 2006, 04:15   #12
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I have a feeling you are not understanding Egg's instructions above.

Can you find your 'winamp.ini' file, open it in Notepad and post back with the config_extlist string.
It will look something like this :

config_extlist=CDA:FLAC:FLA:MID:MIDI:RMI:KAR:MIZ:mod:mdz:nst:MP3:MP2:MP1:AAC:APL:VLB:M4A:M4B:MP4:NSV:NSA:MOV:QT:M4P:M4B:M4V:RAM:RA:RM:RPM:SMI:SMIL:OGG:aiff:au:raw:voc:wav:WMA:WMV:ASF:MMS://:m3u:pls:asx:wax:wmx:wvx:wpl:b4s:bpl

This is the string that Windows uses when it searches for 'All Supported Types'. It is only able to use around the first 260 characters or so, and anything else is discarded from the search.
Generally this means that things like .WAV, .WMA, .WMV etc. can be lost when you use 'All supported types'.

It's been this way for ever, changing Winamp versions will make no difference, it's a Windows thing, not a Winamp thing.

Are you perhaps thinking that only selected file types under Preferences > File Types will appear in AST. This is not the case, all file types shown are include, whether selected or not.

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Old 10th July 2006, 04:22   #13
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Oh. I understand Egg's instructions OK. I also understand that the changes made when following those instructions will be reflected in winamp.ini. But I'm also pretty sure that that Egg didn't want anyone 'fiddling' with the .ini file either.

The instructions he gave are straight-forward and easy to do.
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Okay I finally figured out the instructions. (and that did work, but 5.23 worked for me without doing this) The instructions weren't written for California Air heads so I re-wrote them so other air heads could figure this out.


Options->preferences->Plug-ins->input
select Nullsoft Waveform Decoder 3.01 [in_wave.dll]
click configure
on the waveform dialogue box look at Built-in Extensions

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n_midi > config > File Types tab
Deselect eg. HMP, XMI, MSS, GMD, MIDS, MIZ, HMZ

I can not find a in_midi >config > filetypes
I can find a preferences->general preferences->file types
so what must be being referred to is
preferences->plugins->in_midi.dll
select in_midi.dll so it is highlighted
press the congig button on the lower left
select the file types tab
Deselect eg. HMP, XMI, MSS, GMD, MIDS, MIZ, HMZ

back on the WinAmp preferences ->plugins tab
select in_mod.dll
press config button
select Loaders tab
Hi-lite then uncheck Enabled for eg.
Ultratracker, 669, Farandole, DSMI ASF, Amiga, Polytracker

select the mp3.dll on the WinAmp preference -> plugins tab
press confign button
Remove APL and VLB from the Extension List
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Old 10th July 2006, 04:34   #15
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I wasn't talking to you bubba

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Old 10th July 2006, 04:35   #16
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winelf...

California Air heads? LOL!!!
But I guess you missed part of what I wrote above. Those 'things you can't find' will all be revealed if you do this first...
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winelf...

If you are unsure of the actual file name (***.dll) of any plugins (in Winamp preferences > Plug-ins > right panel listings), then also install DrO's direct download--> One for Nunz plugin (discussion here), which will append the actual .dll file name to every plugin listed in Winamp preferences.
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Quote:
Originally posted by ujay
I wasn't talking to you bubba
Oh! Sorry UJ!
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Old 10th July 2006, 04:49   #18
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You guessed it. I thought only selected file types under Preferences > File Types will appear in AST
Hay, I was born in Hollywood hospital - certified California Air Head.

However, honest - 5.23 really worked without changing anything
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Hay, I was born in Hollywood hospital - certified California Air Head.
ROTFLMAO!!!

Ok. All is well now. Cool!
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Old 10th July 2006, 05:12   #20
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5.23 might have had fewer supported file extensions or the order in which the various modules wrote the list in the INI file was different or WAV happened to appear earlier in 5.23's INI file.
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That would explain it ... I didn't think about that.
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There was some talk at one time of moving the commonest extentions to the front of the list and less common ones(such as in_mod) to the end. This doesn't solve the problem of course, but it would probably mean less users are affected by it.

Currently it's done in the alphabetical order of the input plugin names.

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Has anyone created a support ticket with Microsoft on this issue? It is a bug in their OS - and they should fix it. Of course that is sort of like asking old evil to fix the air conditioning - all know its broken down there but ....
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Old 16th July 2006, 22:17   #24
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all types indeed

I have followed DJ Egg's instructions and I understand the part about this being a Windows problem. As stated, this allows me to add WAVs to the playlist when looking under all supported types. However, these instructions have basically turned the all supported types into the all types option. In other words, items such as txt files come up as well.

I did not have this problem with other versions of Winamp and I recently updated to version 5.24. I have also noticed that only a few of the extensions need to be removed from the decoder list for this to happen. Perhaps this is what drewbar was talking about when mentioning some get left out while others display all? I'm just curious if I'm missing something here...
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Oh wow. That's not good. I just tested it, and not just with text files. I created a few other file types, shoved them in my music folder (where they should not be, and never were, btw) and now they all show up. So YES... it's now treating 'all supported types' as 'ALL types', and that is definitely not good.

So, in conclusion, the 'workaround' is IMHO, a bug with Winamp in that regard, and not a Windows problem.

Thanks for discovering this and posting about it, assimilate.

Egg...

Would you now consider this a bug that needs to be brought to Benski's attention?
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Old 16th July 2006, 22:52   #26
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Oh, is it like that in 5.24 as well? I was assuming it was just a 5.25 internal beta issue, heh. But yeah, I get all filetypes showing for 'All Supported Files' even when I remove all in_*.dll plugins. So yes, it's definitely a bug.
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Old 16th July 2006, 22:54   #27
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assimilate - what you're missing is a linux OS >*grin*<

assimilate - what you're missing is a Linux OS >*grin*<
However, I'm one of those dorks that get lost using Linux right after the ls -l

I also did not have this problem with the last version of winamp,so some code change brought it forward. However, we also have to remember that Microsoft folds "fun" things into their updates and security patches that seems to effect second party software if that software competes with its software. WinAmp runs circles around media player ... hmmm
Microsoft claims it can not possibly test the effect of their changes on all second party software (probably true). They claim it is up to the second party software creators to test their software under the new patches. However, without access to the source code to trace though to see what the OS is doing when your code calls down though the provided hooks, it is a mind boggling task. Check debug builds are not available for the most current releases of an OS and one can not apply "normal" patches to check debug builds. Actually no patches are released for check debug builds. I have asked Microsoft tech support why but I never got an answer, just a lot of side stepping.

It might be that in this version of WinAmp the order of the files seen was changed to alphabetical rather than commonly used so we are seeing a problem that was always there but hidden from view.

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One of my machines had stopped showing WAVs. It looks like this depends on the combination of input plugins present.

I can force the following :

No WAV files showing.
All files showing.
Everything fine.

by enabling/disabling various combinations of Tara, QT, FLAC and APE.

Fortunately WAV, Tara and Flac work together ok so I'm happy

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Old 20th September 2006, 21:42   #29
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Mmh, something weird's going on here...
Looks like a bug (may also explain your issue, Ujay).


In in_wave config, I selected the following extension:
aiff
> just supported files show up when 'All supported types' is selected in the Open file dialog (i.e. expected behaviour)

Then added a two-character extension:
aiff au
> all files displayed instead of just supported files

Then added a three-character extension:
aiff au avr
> all files displayed instead of just supported files

Another three-character extension:
aiff au avr caf
> just supported files are displayed

Another two-character extension:
aiff au avr caf sf
> all files displayed instead of just supported files

Another three-character extension:
aiff au avr caf sf wav
> just supported files

Another two-character extension:
aiff au avr caf sf wav xi
> all files displayed instead of just supported files

I then needed to add seven three-character extensions to make it work correctly again (i.e. just supported files).


Basically, the "All files show up while 'All supported files' is selected" issue is not related to the total amount of characters, but depends on the length of the selected extensions.

Note that the above may not be reproducible, since this appears to be a Winamp issue (not specific to in_wave). So it depends on which other input plugins you have and which extensions are selected there.

Eg, if I have:
aiff au avr caf
> just supported files are displayed
and I then remove vlb in in_mp3 config, the issue is back again.


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Well spotted siebe

Pretty sure that was the problem then, in_wave, in_tara, in_qt and in_flac all use extentions that are not 3 characters long.

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Old 14th November 2006, 22:20   #31
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There is something I dont understand with all that.

I currently use Winamp 5.112 (because of that bug) and the Open File window of that Winamp version see all the supported files, in other words, I dont have any problems with that version of Winamp.

I think its a Winamp bug and it's still present in Winamp 5.31.

The bug is easy to reproduce:

Install Winamp 5.31 into another directory, take the Winamp.exe of that version and put it into your old Winamp directory (the one that can see all suported file in the Open File window), overwrite the winamp.exe of that directory with the 5.31 one.

Just a note before continuing, the newest versions of Winamp require nscrt.dll so copy that file too if its not already there.

Now, you have your old working Winamp directory with a Winamp.exe v5.31, the plugin directory and Winamp.ini are exactly the same.

Run Winamp, you see that winamp is now v5.31, open the Open File window and yup, tons of extention doesnt appear.


I absolutely didnt remove any plugins and no plugins were added, no change has been made to Winamp.ini.

All I did is put the Winamp.exe from 5.31 and put it into an older Winamp directory that doesnt have this problem. All I did is overwrite winamp.exe with a more recent winamp.exe and I cant see most of the the supported file in the Open File window anymore.

So, where is the "plugin limits" and "Windows bug" that are found in all Winamp versions in here?

What about the "new versions have more plugins" excuse? You can see that it can't apply here because all I did is change the winamp.exe without changing any plugins.

To me, the newest versions of Winamp simply have a "plugin limit" which wasnt the case with older versions.

So for me, it's a Winamp bug.

You are welcome to proove me wrong tho. I'll be glad to know what I dont understand if it's the case.

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Winamp 5.22 Whatsnew
* New: loading of additional playlist formats: ASX/WAX/WMX/WVX, WPL, B4S

Winamp 5.3 Whatsnew
* New: M3U8 (Unicode) playlist support

winamp.exe from 5.112 didn't provide support for any of those playlist formats,
so that's an extra 43 characters (*.asx;*.wax;*.wmx;*.wvx;*.wpl;*.b4s;*.m3u8;) added to the "all supported types" list.

You can remove support for wax,wmx,wvx via in_wm config, but the rest are all hard-coded into winamp.exe
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Thanks for the reply, I understand now.

I wasnt aware that some of the new formats were added into winamp.exe instead of being plugin-based, thanks for the info.

So in others words, because they add new formats that we cant remove, we have less rooms for plugins? I currently have a lot of plugins, specially console game plugins so I can listen to old console songs (spc, nfs, psf, etc) so because of that since there is a lot of plugin and format that I cant remove, I'm pretty much forced to stay with 5.112 :\ not cool.
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Old 15th November 2006, 00:27   #34
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Just remove more of the unwanted associations from the other plugin configs.
You can probably remove everything from in_wave except for WAV
Likewise with in_midi, you can probably just strip it down to MID only
in_mp3 can be just MP3;AAC
in_mod just MOD, XM, IT
etc etc etc

Alas, if your 3rd-party input plugins don't provide a similar config method of removing filetype associations then there's little we can do about it. Also bear in mind that there's a possibilty one of said old 3rd-party plugins is to blame for the problem in the first place (ie. an incompatibility issue which will need fixing by said plugin author).
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Yeah I already did remove most of the formats and a couple of plugins and I still cant see most of the format I need including MP3s, this is the problem I'm taking about.

I think that there is just too much formats that we can't remove in order to make rooms for other formats. We should at least have the choice to remove those.

The more formats you add that way (format that we cant remove), the less plugins users can put to use. Configurable plugins or not, there is less room every time you guys add more formats that we can't remove.

I can understand that some plugins doesnt have the option to remove some of their formats (assuming each of them support more than one format) but that shouldnt be the way to fix things.

Winamp always been the best multimedia program exactly because we could add our own favorite formats and use Winamp as the ultimate multimedia player, now were stuck with unwanted formats that 1. we cant remove and 2. that make less rooms for user-wanted formats.

Yeah, I know, I can stay with 5.112 and use it like it was the lastest version, thats probably what I'm gonna do. It's just not cool to stop updating Winamp because of something like that.
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The only ones you can't remove are:
M3U, PLS, M3U8, B4S, ASX, WPL playlist formats, because the loader support for those is in winamp.exe

M3U and PLS have always been supported.
I think ASX and WPL disappear if you remove/disable in_wm.dll
So that only really leaves M3U8 (unicode playlists) and B4S (Winamp3 playlist).

However, I think there might be a bit of a bug here, because all of ASX, WAX, WMX, WVX, WPL are still listed under "Playlist Files" in the Open File Dialog drop-down menu, even after removing/disabling in_wm.dll (note how they are no longer listed in Prefs > File Types after removing in_wm.dll, but are still listed under "Playlist Files" in the OFD, and are therefore contributing to the number of characters for "All Supported File Types").

WAX, WMX, WVX shouldn't even be listed in the OFD if that option is unchecked in in_wm.dll config, so yeah, looks like a bit of a bug there, heh.

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Hmm, maybe not. None of ASX, WPL, WAX, WMX, WVX can be loaded via the Open Files Dialog after removing in_wm.dll, so it's probable that the "Playlist Files (M3U, PL3, M3U8, ASX, WAX, etc etc)" entry in the Open Files Dialog isn't dynamic, ie. the text for it is hard-coded, regardless of whether in_wm is present or not, and therefore it's not a bug after all.

Basically, I'm really not sure what else to suggest.
If your 3rd-party plugins add a heap of extensions to the All Supported types list, and said extensions come alphabetically before mp3, and mp3 comes after the 260-character limit, then there's nothing anyone can do about it, except for maybe Microsoft...

One of the earlier workaround suggestions was to make it so 'all supported types' shows all extensions, regardless of whether they are supported or not. Though I personally think that would be just as bad as having extensions missing. But given the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea, maybe that is the only solution?
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Old 15th November 2006, 05:01   #37
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Personally I like the "'all supported types' shows all extensions, regardless of whether they are supported or not" idea.

Waiting for Microsoft to fix the bug is another idea.

I messed with my plugins and formats that I dont need and I finally got something that I like but I know that someday, if I want to add more plugins and/or if Winamp support more formats that we can't mess with, the problem will be back.

Let's just hope Microsoft will fix the bug before that

Thank you for your help, much appreciated.
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Old 11th January 2008, 16:13   #38
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Well the fact is, my extension config line is:

config_extlist=:mod:s3m:it:xm:MP3:MP2:MP1:AAC:M4A:MP4:OGG:WMA:M3U:M3U8

And winamp still NOT shows even MP3 files on it =(

I'm sad about it...

Did anyone already solve this?
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Old 16th March 2008, 06:43   #39
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Personally I like the "'all supported types' shows all extensions, regardless of whether they are supported or not" idea.
How do you do that?
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Old 20th March 2008, 06:38   #40
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Can't be that hard to answer.
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