Radiohead Christmas greeting slams Bush

[SNYder]

http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicRadiohead/dec11_rh-can.html

tee hee. I'm not yet sure how I feel about his words. Has a point, but.... =\

Your comments, thoughts, money, baked goods?

[I have a huge]

Hopefully, there is life after "Creep"

[Bilbo Baggins]

I would say the years after RayGun have been ok!

[Predatorsfan2000]

Unsurprisingly to anyone who knows what my avatar is, I agree with him. I think the person who wrote the article tried to twist his words though.

[SNYder]

Originally posted by Predatorsfan2000
I think the person who wrote the article tried to twist his words though.

How so?

[Aeroe]

ahh how cute:
"We need love and understanding and tolerance and good laws that apply to everyone, upheld by those who are in a position to judge."

whine whine... boohoo
- we shouldn't try war criminals in military tribunals.
- bin laden isn't bad. he's just a misunderstood freedom fighter.
- it wasn't taliban john's fault for fighting on the wrong side, he was misguided. his liberal parents from california are right in saying he's not to blame, he's not responsible for his actions.
- america is the real terrorist, and bush is the aggressor.
- bush just wants to drill oil in the heavily populated alaskian tundra (and creating 70,000 jobs in the process would hurt our economy)
- we should forgive terrorists and give in to their demands and reject our friendships with israel.


did i just some up the left wing stance or what?

[deathazre]

nope. Yeah bush is an ass, but they're the ones who decided to blow up 4 buildings with fucking airplanes...
and I'm about as left as you can get without being locked up somewhere

[Predatorsfan2000]

Originally posted by SNYder
How so?

"Radiohead singer Thom Yorke has sent out a Christmas greeting that includes a swipe at U.S. President George Bush's "new war." "


This would imply the he is mocking Mr. Bush's own words.

"But his greeting also carried a strongly worded condemnation of the war in Afghanistan."

I thought what he said condemned war itself than just in Afghanistan. Could be wrong though.

Originally posted by Aeroe
ahh how cute:
"We need love and understanding and tolerance and good laws that apply to everyone, upheld by those who are in a position to judge."

whine whine... boohoo
- we shouldn't try war criminals in military tribunals.
- bin laden isn't bad. he's just a misunderstood freedom fighter.
- it wasn't taliban john's fault for fighting on the wrong side, he was misguided. his liberal parents from california are right in saying he's not to blame, he's not responsible for his actions.
- america is the real terrorist, and bush is the aggressor.
- bush just wants to drill oil in the heavily populated alaskian tundra (and creating 70,000 jobs in the process would hurt our economy)
- we should forgive terrorists and give in to their demands and reject our friendships with israel.


did i just some up the left wing stance or what?

No, you summed up the typical stereotype of the left wing just so you can feel better about not listening to an opposing viewpoint. And about drilling Alaska: What is more important, the temporary economic effects(we don't need lower gas prices right now, so why do we need more oil?) or the permanent environmental effects? Nice way to sneak in drilling a wildlife refuge in the middle of all that. Typical right wing: terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, drill Alaska, terrorism, terrorism, terrosm, nuke them, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, missile defense, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, tribunal...

[Aeroe]

ohno... we can't possibly drill in .01% of a government funded park. gee they only own the land. not to mention it's Tundra, there's nothing there... farther north of even the occasional santa clause or polar bear. obviously this image of dirty oil and seals covered in exxon leaks is what liberals throw on some tv airtime.
we definetly should rely on some corrupt anti-american nations to provide our oil. not many people seem to worry about using their ozone destroying cars, or driving on roads that use oil in blacktop.

oh we could just hurl a few cruise missiles at some tents like clinton did, or pretend to state they we "went after bin laden."
we could reject national defense and appease terrorists. we could all go light a campfire and sing kum-by-yah with al-queda.

[Xerxes]

Hey, unlike many leftists (or right-ists), I've actually been to that refuge- the Alaskan "wildlife refuge." Its a frozen waste. I saw it with my own two eyes.

And gas prices might be going up again soon after Russia starts cooperating with OPEC again.

As far as Radiohead... using a "Christmas" message to make any political statement left or right is really low class. I never liked them before, and now i don't respect them either.

[Predatorsfan2000]

Originally posted by Aeroe

oh we could just hurl a few cruise missiles at some tents like clinton did, or pretend to state they we "went after bin laden."
we could reject national defense and appease terrorists. we could all go light a campfire and sing kum-by-yah with al-queda.

That's right. Blame all of the world's problems on Clinton. And I don't recall anyone ever saying we should hold a candlelight vigil for all the slain Al Qaeda. Fuck Al Qaeda, they would rather every American die than try to make their own countries a better place to live. But war is only a short term solution. After every recent major war we create a problem that leads to the next one. We screwed Germany after WWI leading to a monster like Hitler rising to power. After we got done with Hitler in WWII, Israel was created and that eventually led to this...

ohno... we can't possibly drill in .01% of a government funded park. gee they only own the land. not to mention it's Tundra, there's nothing there... farther north of even the occasional santa clause or polar bear. obviously this image of dirty oil and seals covered in exxon leaks is what liberals throw on some tv airtime.
we definetly should rely on some corrupt anti-american nations to provide our oil. not many people seem to worry about using their ozone destroying cars, or driving on roads that use oil in blacktop.

Have you been there? I haven't, but if you study the area there are things there. It's a WILDLIFE REFUGE. You are hearing there is nothing there to make destroying the habitat of many animals, birds, plants, etc. palettable. I'm sure the oil companies would drill responsibly in the parts where there actually is nothing though. Why couldn't we use part of the money we spend on oil to slowly convert to a cleaner and more efficient fuel source(like hydrogen maybe?). Because the oil companies wouldn't like it, that's why. And Bush sucks on oil company dick(major cxampaign contributions). Buy a candidate is what our election system is to corporations.

[Xerxes]

Originally posted by Predatorsfan2000

After every recent major war we create a problem that leads to the next one. We screwed Germany after WWI leading to a monster like Hitler rising to power

I do believe the Treaty of Versailles was a European invention. The French in particular wanted monetary reperations for havin the north end their country of turned into swiss cheese.

[Predatorsfan2000]

Originally posted by Xerxes


I do believe the Treaty of Versailles was a European invention. The French in particular wanted monetary reperations for havin the north end their country of turned into swiss cheese.

True. I just said we since the US fought against Germany as well. That is a funny picture BTW.

[Xerxes]

My second and best ever lame winamp ad.

[Aeroe]

lol
tundra grows many varieties of moss.... we have green moss, and brown moss and maybe some yellow moss (bad polar bear)

but those evil and demonically possessed ceo's of big oil companies will surely drill right on top of an igloo village and for fun start oil fires to toast their smores.
then without protest we fill our evil (and proned to roll over) dodge durangos to the cap. to remove the bad karma we sign a petition so no more suv's can be sold. we also put higher taxes (liberals' solution to all problems) on oil like europe has done, so we "decide" to use rice burners, powerwheels, and those gyro scooters which get 7 miles downhill with the wind on your back.

-= hell i'd like to see hydrogen powered cars, maybe in 20 years when they can go as far as the current transportable green houses we use everyday to poison the lungs of pedestrians.

wow i'm so damn sarcastic recently...

[Predatorsfan2000]

Originally posted by Aeroe
lol
tundra grows many varieties of moss.... we have green moss, and brown moss and maybe some yellow moss (bad polar bear)

but those evil and demonically possessed ceo's of big oil companies will surely drill right on top of an igloo village and for fun start oil fires to toast their smores.
then without protest we fill our evil (and proned to roll over) dodge durangos to the cap. to remove the bad karma we sign a petition so no more suv's can be sold. we also put higher taxes (liberals' solution to all problems) on oil like europe has done, so we "decide" to use rice burners, powerwheels, and those gyro scooters which get 7 miles downhill with the wind on your back.

-= hell i'd like to see hydrogen powered cars, maybe in 20 years when they can go as far as the current transportable green houses we use everyday to poison the lungs of pedestrians.

wow i'm so damn sarcastic recently...

Well, if we did convert to a clean fuel source for cars I'm sure we could build some more coal power plants to make you happy. Don't forget those nice and cuddly CEOs though. They should get a chance to corner the market for whatever the new(note that I didn't say inferior, so put your fear of "rice burners" away) fuel source would be of course. And the cars aren't portable greenhouses, they will eventually turn the earth into more of one than it is now though.

[Xerxes]

There's no REASON to corner the market at this moment- people are very complacent with gasoline combustible engines. Do you know how much R&D is involved in creating a usable Hydrogen engine? And R&D is serious serious serious cash. Why spend huge amounts of resources on pie in the sky research when you can spend it on capital stock that can make money today? (i.e. oil infrastructure in this case) This is the economy people.

Liberals are very big on saying "use alternative feul sources" but nobody has found a workable one yet - or else people would use it. In California, if you drive a no-emissions vehicle, you can use the carpool lane. Whoop Di frikkin Doo, where DO I sign to get me one of those beauties? Hmm maybe riding a bike in the carpool lane is a loophole- any takers

The alternative stuff that DOES work does not pollute but costs much more than the normal solution. And for more money, many times its not as cost effective as the other. That goes for transportation, houses and all other energy consumers.

Ah and wouldn't you know it, one of the biggest advocates of Alternative Energy sources, ENRON, just went Bankrupt. Heh, I think i'll be driving with gasoline for the forseeable future.

[rm']

Good lord. How did I happen to miss this thread? And how did Aeroe know exactly what I would have said, had I been here (well, Xerxes too, but that's understandable )?

[Predatorsfan2000]

What you say is very true xerxes, but as it doesn't rain oil and it is a limited resource, we need to develop these new ways to power cars(if cars are still around when we run out of oil) and other oil powered things or we'll really be screwed. . I have no doubt these will be developed before we run out of oil, but being happy with what you've got keeps things from progressing further. That's why my new Athlon uses the shoddy x86 architechture. There's money in it. I too think I'll be using gasoline for a long time. That's the only practical solution right now.

[SNYder]

Well... i pretty much agree with xerxes on the whole oil and what not thingaroo.

but if i may switch the tides...

I'd like to know everyones thoughts on the ideas writen about in that article?

Do you disagree with his points/motives?
Do you think it was low of him to say all this in X-Mas greeting?
Do you agree with his points/motives?
Do you agree with how America is handling everything now that it's been going on for a while?
anything at all.

[Predatorsfan2000]

"Do you disagree with his points/motives?"

I disagree with his motives. Probably thinks it's the perfect time to say something negative since the US is winning the war.

"Do you think it was low of him to say all this in X-Mas greeting?"

Yes, I don't think Christmas is the time for politics.

"Do you agree with his points/motives?"

I generally agree with his points about peace and non-violence, but I think this war was necessary. WE were attacked first. War was our only choice. It's not like you can negotiate with people who blow themselves up.

"Do you agree with how America is handling everything now that it's been going on for a while?"

Yes. It's not like we are over there raping and pillaging. The only thing that pisses me off is the media, but the govt. can't control that.