Old 11th July 2002, 16:32   #1
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You Are Being Watched!

Having reviewed Windude's thread about the shadow government, I thought that a more serious (topical) issue is at hand. With the advent of technological monitoring- virtually every public facility is being facitted with a camera of some sort.

There has already been a start to "human coding" so that the movements of individuals can be followed. Sci-Fi has been elluding to the use of retina scans for id for decades...

Would you give up your personal privacy to live in a "safe" world?
If the government could guarantee you 100% safety would you allow them to monitor you 24 hrs a day? Are you in favor of some sort of surveillance? If so define the perimeters you would set? Or do you feel that nothing should be done and that there are too many cameras around already?

What would be the outcomes of either path? Would they be positive/negative? What aspects of life would be effected?

And if there was universal monitoring... who would watch the "watchers"?

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Old 11th July 2002, 16:39   #2
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I live in what some people call the 'capital of liberty'. Screw surveillance
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Old 11th July 2002, 16:47   #3
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This make me think of Minority Report.

It's a good idea, yet how do we trust these government people? We give them power like that, they could use it to make a safer society, or they could abuse the power. I don't know what they would use it for, but it's possible. I guess I'm just thiking about your question "who would watch the watchers." An idea would be to have two sets of watchers. As long as they keep an eye on each other they can't really do much. But that would help when it comes to someone running away. They could easily find out where they are and track them down. That could work against us, though.

I guess, it's just a big risk giving one group of people so much power.

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Old 11th July 2002, 16:50   #4
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No, I would no give up my freedom to that degree. regardless of what people say, every one has done something illegal, weither it is speeding, software piracy, or copyright infringement, we are all guilty of breaking some minor law, and 24 hr survalance would result in alot of prople going to prison, more getting fines. If this wasn't a problem, and you could still get away with the little stuff like this, then I don't have a problem with it.
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Old 11th July 2002, 16:54   #5
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the government is trying to play god.thats a no no. if they were to monitor people 24/7,watching us shit,shower,shave..the whole bit.will they intervene when some upstanding citizen trys to commit suicide? its all about power.i think half the shit these sientists are coming up with...bush dont know about! it would cause him a heart attack.

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Old 11th July 2002, 18:33   #6
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I don't know if I'd want to..

I mean, ofcourse, we all live in democracies where we have the checks and balances (or whatever you call them?) systems.. I mean, you have the government controlling things and then you have someone else to check the government and this other thing is checked again by the people.. So maybe, it'd work.

But not yet though... First we need to have star ships and warp drives and contact with other species..

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Old 11th July 2002, 19:02   #7
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Orwell was right.

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Old 11th July 2002, 19:04   #8
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I thought of Minority Report as well, easily the most disturbing part of that film.

However, the most disturbing part for me was not that the government knew where he was at all times, but when he walked into the Gap with the new eyes, and the hologram greeted him by name (or at least the name of the guy who used to have those eyes) and asked if he liked the tank tops he bought (or something like that).
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Old 11th July 2002, 19:37   #9
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Orwell was right.
Holy Shit! Took the words right out of my mouth! My God how is it the world stands by as Big Brother watches, controls, and re-writes history, life, and future?
If Minority Report didn't suck so bad, I'd have made a real refrence to it.

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Old 11th July 2002, 19:54   #10
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unless one chooses to opt out of society and creates ones own
you will be tagged and coded
humans are a rowdy messed up bunch
gotta be kept in line for their own good

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Old 11th July 2002, 20:28   #11
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Old 12th July 2002, 00:07   #12
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Old 12th July 2002, 00:13   #13
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me, that's a damn good band, that is
uhm, sorry

i would NOT give up my privacy to such a degree as that
as was said earlier, everyone has something to hide
and what's to stop the government from using info obtained to clamp down on things it defines as "unsavoury" or doing certain things we may not agree w/ for our "own good"
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Old 12th July 2002, 00:27   #14
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I don't think I'd give anyone permission to monitor myself for 100% safety. Steering myself away from any obvious dangers through common sense or predictions is enough for right now. But who knows? The government may be forced to turn into Big Brother if society gets even worse.

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Old 12th July 2002, 08:46   #15
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Re: You Are Being Watched!

The government could never guarantee yopu 100% safety, even if they monitored everything, all the time.

I wouldn't give up that much freedom even if I could be guaranteed safety. I don't like surveillance. I think we already have more than enough in most areas. Of course, I think stores have a right to put up surveillance units to protect themselves, but I don't want cameras on my street. I think surveillance should be limitted to interior monitoring. i.e. you can monitor inside your own house, but you can't point that camera at the street.

We won't be using retinal scans. They are too complicated. I think it's quite possible that we might eventualy start using iris scans, though. Those actually could be picked up by a camera when you want into a store, too.

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Old 12th July 2002, 08:48   #16
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