Windows Palladium, the end of privacy as we know it.

[Signal Box]

I don't think 3.1, 95, or 98 had the capability.

Microsoft has now managed to think throughly and give this new OS all of the bells and whistles they want in it.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by whiteflip
paranoia. plain and simple. histeria. i dont see chip makers making a move toward pladdium. if someone else can update me on this please do so.

i didnt hear world domination about windows 3.1 95 or 98

fredowl = windude on linux?

Bingo.

Don't worry - there's no way this will take off. I find it highly unlikely that system admins will let this happen (which is really where the line will be drawn). Besides that, home users will get pretty pissed not being able to run non-palladium certified software.

The best thing is to spread the information, and not buy any Palladium-based products. Even Microsoft doesn't have infinate resources - you can't sell something people won't buy.

[Signal Box]

Originally posted by xzxzzx
Even Microsoft doesn't have infinate resources - you can't sell something people won't buy.

Unless you bribe them enough. I'm sure Microsoft has done it before.

[Deejayzero]

Paranoid Androids

jeez peeps...talk about reactionary....

Theres a whole section on that article devoted to why palladium MUST make older applications and programmes run. I know M$ aren;t exactly trustworthy...but as many have said on this topic already... commercial suicide ain;t where M$ is at. Only rank stupidity would tell you otherwise. This is just the anti M$ brigade noising everyone up again. Read that first post with some common sense and think about how much of it actually rings true...

[virulent]

Unless you bribe them enough.

Kinda sounds like the US military.

"Come! Be brainwashed, be sujected to horrible conditions, be screamed at 24/7.. oh and you might die.. BUT! We'll send you to school!"

Bribe the public enough and they'll do anything. The size of the US's military is proof possitive.

Survey says:

[myass]

Hmm... what's all the fuss about?



Anybody here know the term "hack" as it applies to all of these cheesy copy protection stuff?
All of this will be hacked before it come on to the market.
MS already tried a few times... last time with XP this and XP that... and guess what... all was hacked before it officially showed up on the shelves.
In the world of technology, only your imagination is the limit!

[fredowl87]

paranoia

I may have sounded really paranoid...but think about the worst case situation. think about what could happen. in this country, its sad but true, if you have enough money you can do whatever you want. lets just try to tell as many people as possible about palladium, and make sure nobody buys it. If it starts to become commonplace, more and more buisnesses will buy it, and then it will really suck.


what does "fredowl=windude on linux" mean?

[Vitamin_Ben]

bullshit

well, i believe that really can be truth, too well writed and planne to be a lie by someone that just want tp scare ppl but stop and think :

WHO IS GOIN TO BUY THAT IF THINGS WOULD WORK REALLY THAT WAY ?

aparently as i saw in most of opnions here, noone would

so y be scared , just we will have to keep our older machines in case of emergency or somethin, maybe that slow 500 hz thing have some use in future

[whiteflip]

many pc and stock analysist predict that if the internet moves to a mpaa riaa version of such than older producuts such as burnners and hard drives and cpus from pre dmca2 days will sky rocket in value above current market hardware.

what does this teach you? keep your PII's and Durons and Old school hardware. dont throw out your old computer hardware. just store it somewhere safely and if DMCA2 happens you have a small fortune in your basement. or a backup.

[fredowl87]

reply to vitamin boy

You are right in the fact that no person in thier right mind would buy a product of that discription. the problem is that microsoft can use marketing strategys that twist the meanings around...and thats just for consumers...for buisnesses it would be eaiser to sell, because buisnesses have a policy that they upgrade to all of microsoft's products...all microsoft needs to do is claim that it is a wonderful buisness product...or some shit like that and then one buisness uses it...and since palladium is only compatible with palladium...it could start to catch on...like popular culture yet somehow worse. pretty soon all the buisnesses will be useing it...

im sure its not as bad as the first poster said it was...but the end of open source!! *shudder*

[virulent]

but the end of open source!! *shudder*

Does anyone know the status on that? I seem to recall one of the bills passing talking about anti-copywrite something or other that would require software to be digitally signed (?) by the government? I don't remember the specifics, I heard about it awhile ago. I do remember though that it effectively would make anything open source illegal. Has this actually passed? Do I have the facts right?

[Tac-Man]

what the hell. how could you make open source code illegal.

would that not violate the 1st amendment, at least in the US (where all the retards are anyways)?

oh and for all you guys saying "oh yeah someone will just haxor it yeah sure"...um...yeah maybe the software end.

wanna do some soldering? cause you are gonna have some sort of "modchip" if anything in order to get around the hardware end, and I'm not talkin a playstation modchip...

[virulent]

It was something along the lines of software having to be "registred" with someone somewhere otherwise you wouldn't be legally allowed to run it. Open source code is modified sometimes on a daily basis. There is no way it could follow that type of model, thus making it illegal. The purpose of it was to keep people from writing software that exploited holes and/or from being able to get around copy protection.

As I said, Im a little fuzzy on it as its been awhile since I heard it talked out. I do remember open source being a target and that something going threw congress was threatening it. If anyone knows what Im refering to, or if Im completely off base let me know. Though saying "There is no way it could happen" isn't valid. Im talking law not logic. Those two things don't seem to mesh well.

[Neural Riptide]

Ok.. There are things I've read in this thread that I agree with, and disagree with. And my memory isn't that great, so I'll try to re-read stuff before I type, but I can't guarantee I wont say something exactly as it was said before.

I think there is Over reaction, and there is complacency. I am of the opinion that one needs to over-react in moderation (just above the 50% mark between over reacting and complacency)
The issues I see are:
1) a large majority of Americans are just that, complacent. They will believe whatever the media tells them. If the media tells them that palladium is good, they will accept is as "necessary to protect their computers". The entertaiment industry has a huge advantage in this arena becasue they benefit from moves like this (primarily because they are obsessed with raping the consumers wallet for stuff that is low quality. How many times have you bought a CD that only had one good song). Because the media industry benefits, you aren't going to see much about palladium on the 10 o'clock news, and if it is there, it certainly wont be that negative (based on what I've seen, but I haven't seen everything, so I could be wrong there, but I'd be supprised).
2) People blindly believe that intelligence means honesty and benevolence. Look at what has happened in the past 6 months with major corporations like Enron. And they expect us to believe that these guys are just exceptions? $$ corrupts. Power corrupts. Bill Gates has a lot of both. MS has a lot of both. And in my opinion MS would be stupid not to work its way into forcing Palladium on us. The American people are so totally lazy, they will take anything that is spoonfed to them.
On a side note, I don't like political bashing, but please remembe that these days politicians are pretty messed up regardless of which side of the fence they are on. There IS legislation being pushed through (per an article that was on abcnews.com about a month ago) that would allow groups like the RIAA to hack into personal computer systems in order to seek and destroy what they deem to be illegal copies of music, movies, etc. This legeslation was proposed by a Democrat. So it's not just the repubs that are a problem these days.

Right now, in America, there has been a huge surge of attacks on the privacy rights of the citizens. They are attempting to control our computers, our music, our movies, our TV's, our way of life, all because the masses are easier to target than the individual who is pirating thier stuff. The big corps are far to lazy to track down the guy that is distributing illegal software, so they are just going to punish us all (god.. reminds me of fricking first grade)

Personally, I've just about given up. The news media backs this stuff 100%, and because of that, there is no way to get the word out to a majority of people regarding what is happening.

On a positive note.. If you can see it, or hear it, you can copy it. Take mp3's for example. Your amplifier puts out stereo sound (at least R & L channels). Most sound cards have a stereo 'line-in'. So you run your your music from a legit CD player, and into the Line-in on your PC. Record it as a WAV (which they can NOT prevent, unless they want to kill the artists right to record music. thought that would certainly not be beyond the lowness of the RIAA). Anyway, you have your music in WAV format, convert it to mp3 (gee..hmm..what program do I know that will do that. ) and then burn away.

I know, the last paragraph was probably preaching to the choir, most of you probably thought of that before I did, but I thought I'd throw it in for the newbies.

Any way.. that's my thoughts.

[xzxzzx]

Originally posted by Tac-Man
what the hell. how could you make open source code illegal.

would that not violate the 1st amendment, at least in the US (where all the retards are anyways)?

oh and for all you guys saying "oh yeah someone will just haxor it yeah sure"...um...yeah maybe the software end.

wanna do some soldering? cause you are gonna have some sort of "modchip" if anything in order to get around the hardware end, and I'm not talkin a playstation modchip...

Yeah, - it does, of course, violate the 1st amendment, but that hasn't stopped it.

"Someone will Haxor it" - Yeah, they will. Until it becomes part of the CPU core. How exactly do you "Haxor" a CPU? I don't think it's possible, unless you've got a several billion $ budget. Of course, it's possible when it's a chip on the motherboard to "modchip" it. Of course, there is the O/S side - which, of course, would be illegal under the DMCA to distribute.

Wonderful, isn't it?