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**Digitalhigh** · 19 March 2003, 04:02

The record companies intentionally flood the market with dummy songs as a countermeasure for the growing number of rips that emerge with each new album. My guess would be that a decent amount of the people sharing the dummy songs are directly working with or for the RIAA, or other MP3-nazi's like them. They'll always be there, just like the actual songs will always be there at least a month before the album debuts publicly. Get .datview if you don't feel like wasting the time of downloading a full song. Nice and easy. Three minutes, and you know whether it's real or a loop/dummy.

Otherwise, thinking that there's any way to stop dummying/looping is about as vain of a cause as thinkng you can ever stop bootlegging itself.

**zplsoccer** · 19 March 2003, 04:06

i can see y they do put out the dummy files, and it works untill a few people get there hands on the real one and then those files start to spread more so peopel can get the real files. I also have cable so even though i download a dummy file i can find the real one and download it again, and its not big deal, so either way i get my rip, cant the companies just make it less painfull for me and then they dont have to pay some one to spread the dummy files.

**Digitalhigh** · 19 March 2003, 14:16

/me guesses that the companies will make it less painful for you when you make it less painful for them and shell out $20 for a shiny piece of plastic. (which cost about $5 to produce, including packaging) Paying somebody to spread the dummy files is a lot cheaper then the pay cuts they'd have to inflict on slick, preppy record exec's who's primary function is to sit on their ass and make superstars feel important. It's corporate. Just like the telco's in the 80's got spanked by phreaks, it's only a mater of time before CDwhores incorporated realizes that the only way to win is by making us think we've won, which should be the next logical step sometime soon. As long as they try employing intrusive countermeasures to track digitally copied files, somebody will find a way around it. Add a digital watermark? Fuck, just loop the line out on your soundcard and press record. Boom. Special coding on the CD's so they don't work in computers? Hell, pop it into the home stereo and move the mike up real close. (I know this would work like shit, it's just for example.)

The point is that trying to stop the RIAA's childish attempst at piracy counteraction is like arguing about the supposed "War on Drugs". All the bitching in the world isn't going to stop it, it just gives you something to do. If you want to make a point, write your congress people. I've still got the response to my letter on Napster from J. Sensenbrenner, which proves that they at least read the shit you send them.

**xzxzzx** · 19 March 2003, 21:10

Hahahah - digital watermarking is not that easy to get around. Also, there is no method that will ever truely stop a PC from reading a CD. Will. Not. Happen.

**Digitalhigh** · 20 March 2003, 13:27

Hahahah - digital watermarking is not that easy to get around.

You can play the file at least once, yes? As long as my laptop has a line out and a line in, it's about that easy...

**fwgx** · 20 March 2003, 14:43

Originally posted by xzxzzx
Hahahah - digital watermarking is not that easy to get around. Also, there is no method that will ever truely stop a PC from reading a CD. Will. Not. Happen.

Microwaving it or putting it in a lead box at the center of the earth'll do it :P.

**Digitalhigh** · 20 March 2003, 15:06

Hehehehe...I just popped a CD outta the microwave, it still works tho...

Maybe I'll try the oven, since my giant subterranian drill is outta commission ATM.

**xzxzzx** · 20 March 2003, 16:39

Originally posted by Phily Baby
Microwaving it or putting it in a lead box at the center of the earth'll do it :P.

AND be able to read it on a sterio, dumbass.

**xzxzzx** · 20 March 2003, 16:59

Originally posted by JimmySmith
You can play the file at least once, yes? As long as my laptop has a line out and a line in, it's about that easy...

Only if it's a crappy watermarking technique. Microsoft demonstrated a watermarking that still worked after it was played and recorded back in a noisy room.

**syst3m** · 27 March 2003, 01:19

Kazaa lite

i totally aggree, people suck at ripping songs. constantly you'll get crap with bad quality and you go to download a game and you get somthing totally unwanted. grr

**Reaper** · 27 March 2003, 05:49

This is why FTPs are the best.

**Mr Jones** · 27 March 2003, 06:15

Re: Kazaa lite

Originally posted by syst3m
i totally aggree, people suck at ripping songs. constantly you'll get crap with bad quality and you go to download a game and you get somthing totally unwanted. grr

How awful for you, I'm almost crying, try not being a thief and buy some originals for once, I hear these are usually fairly good in quality.

Seriously , how can you bitch about something you have little rights to be stealing in the first place?

**binary hero** · 27 March 2003, 08:46

heh, i'm with jones here. buy games and full albums. download the odd track.

**Joel** · 27 March 2003, 20:11

Or you can get virus instead of a song

Killing your PC like mine

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