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    Dynamic Library v1.0 readme/website

    To mods, if this is not the right place (it isn't really development related after all), move it somewhere to where it is. RB, I don't care ;p


    So... Jonas has given the green light for others to work on a website and/or a readme. I think a website is a good start, in which we could incorporate a manual which could be used as a readme.txt in a next release.
    Priority is:
    - setting up a website, doesn't need to be very complicated; it's only one plugin after all. Containing a front page, with screenshot, description, download link, language files link, and readme link
    - finding webspace
    - creating a readme on the website for DL v1.0. We can make one for v1.1 later

    I think the easiest way is to split the readme in different pages, for the window and each tab in prefs. That way you can use screenshots without making the page load slowly.
    Different languages could come later.

    If you want to help, state clearly what you want to do. I.e. html/css, layout, readme, language, webspace, etc...
    Or if you just have ideas, you are welcome to post them.
    As said in the other thread, I could do the website and try to arrange webspace. I could write the readme as well if no-one responds
    If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.
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  • #2
    siebe...

    I see no reason why this shouldn't be here but let me quote partially from your post in the original Dev thread that prompted the creation of this readme/website thread...
    Originally posted by siebe83
    I can do the html/css if needed. Do you have webspace, Jonas, or do we have to find webspace ourselves?
    If you don't, I'd recommend Nunzio or inthegray (they have been willing to provide webspace for WA developers in the past (DrO, saivert) and their servers are reliable, no adds, etc.). You don't need to do anything, as long as you give permission to do things
    Sorry if it looks as if I'm taking the lead in this. Please everyone make your voice heard if you want to help, do the site, the readme, the webspace, whatever...
    I would of course be willing to allocate web space to you or someone else to work on a dev site for Jonas, same as I did for DrO, but it would appear as if Jonas already has webspace available. Now currently he seems to be "sharing" it with Anna, David, Elin, Maja, and Michael but have you asked him yet if you can be included as well, and also have FTP access? That way you can maintain a section for Jonas' plugin development (hopefully in English - LOL).

    I'd ask Jonas first. If it turns out that this can not be done, I have no objection to providing space at my server as I did for Darren (and others who I will not mention since they have nothing to do with Winamp ).
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    • #3
      Of course it would be best if Jonas had web space himself. He would have control over it, etc.. I or anyone else don't even need to have FTP access, as long as he is willing to upload stuff himself. Access would be nice of course, but not a 'condition'...
      I just mentioned you as an option if Jonas would for whatever reason not have space available.
      It would be a bit weird anyway, asking you for web space while you can't even run the plugin

      So, we'll just wait what Jonas has to say on this topic
      If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

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      • #4
        I or anyone else don't even need to have FTP access, as long as he is willing to upload stuff himself. Access would be nice of course, but not a 'condition'
        Not really siebe. If you or somebody else would be maintaining anything at all, including changes to web pages, that involves uploading those changes so that pages can be "tested" online. Quite often pages can not be tested locally and still be expected to perform/ behave/ display the same as when viewed online (especially if using SSI or CGI). Believe me - I know. I've been creating and uploading websites for awhile now.

        So in my view, it would be imperative for whoever the "webmaster" is, to have FTP access. Since Jonas has already indicated that he has no time for this, then whoever does absolutely needs to have that access.

        You (or someone else) would be the webmaster. Jonas would be the developer. The webmaster needs server access for uploading, downloading and testing purposes. Makes no difference if it's at Jonas' existing site, or at my server. The webmaster needs server access.

        Anyway, wait for Jonas to reply.
        It would be a bit weird anyway, asking you for web space while you can't even run the plugin
        Maybe but I'm "banking" on something else Jonas said...
        I guess I could try to include Microsoft Layer for Unicode to make it Windows 9x compatible. I will try this for the 1.0 now..report back later.
        Crossing my fingers!
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        • #5
          Working on readme...
          Just post this to subscribe to the thread
          *sigh (still) under construction*

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          • #6
            Just posting this here to let people know I already started on some sort of a website. If anyone has comments, or wants to elaborate on it, go ahead. I probably won't have much time to work on it the upcoming days...
            It's just a start, the screenshot makes no sense, and I suck at graphics (as you can see with the 'download' pic). This example is rather meant as an example on how I think the site could be structured.
            Also, Jonas, if you think something shouldn't be there (eg. contact info, beta, link to thread, whatever), please say so...

            (at the top, only home and documentation links actually work)
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            If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

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            • #7
              Siebe: looks like a great foundation to build on.

              My space where I host the betas are from school. So I don't actually share that space with anyone...it's just in my latest class we had to have a "group homepage" and I hosted it on my account.

              I think it would be better if we used some other though since I am not at liberty to share that account with anyone and I guess they would frown upon the usage too...*shrug*

              Just give me an account where I can upload the betas and you are quite free to do the rest...

              I think you should write about Joonas (me! ) in third-person since I won't be the webmaster. Just make sure that questions about the plugin are directed to me and questions about the homepage are directed to you

              This whole thing has really become a joint project so I guess for the 1.1 version the fame and glory (if available) should be shared somewhat.. I stress again, it's not just me making this plugin

              My two cents.

              /Joonas

              Drag 'n Drop support for the Playlist Editor - Now with Unicode support!
              Dynamic Library v2.0

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Joonas
                Siebe: looks like a great foundation to build on.
                I agree. Good job siebe

                @ Jonas...

                Now I see that you have settled this, so I'll host the site. (perhaps you want to be referred to as Joonas at the site and siebe needs to change the pages to reflect that name).

                @ siebe...

                You've been "designated" webmaster it seems. Now there are a few things that need addressing...
                1. I'm about to add an account/subdomain. What name shall I give it?
                2. I feel it's best to give FTP login access to both you and Jonas. That way you can create directories/sub-directories, upload the site pages, images, scripts, etc. and Jonas will also have the login info to upload beta releases, as he had requested above. Is that okay with the both of you?
                3. The moment I know what name you've decided upon, I will create the account (email me the info to [email protected] - don't post it here). Please let me know this ASAP and I'll send you both the FTP login info immediately. For now I will not publicly reveal the location, nor should either of you, until all the pages have been completed to a degree that you feel is okay for public viewing. This can of course also include jojo 544's "readme" contributions, which I assume will be added to the existing "Documentation" index.html page.
                4. Jonas can begin to upload betas immediately to a directory/directories that either of you can create, or that siebe can create and then let Jonas know what directory/directories he should upload the betas to, so that siebe can gear links at the pages for the beta releases to that/those directory/directories. Siebe can immediately upload what he has now and continue uploading and making changes until he is satisfied that it is ready for public viewing. At that time I'll actually assign a separate domain name for the site and you can release it to the public.
                Okay guys, that's it. Please supply me with the requested info.

                Take care,
                Nunzio
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                • #9
                  @ siebe...

                  I just want you to know that the site will support SSI (server side includes), so if you want to use SSI for repetetive info such as menus, headers, footers, etc, you will need to create your site pages with .shtml extensions. Using SSI calls/directives within files with .htm or .html extensions will not work.

                  Example: right now you have this as a temp-footer...
                  Optionally some remarks, copyright, contact info to be included in every page
                  Whatever is to be repeated on pages through SSI calls (eg: <!--#include virtual="menu.html" --> or <!--#include virtual="footer.html" -->) will need to be inserted into pages with .shtml extensions. The same holds true for the temp-header you have now of...

                  Dynamic Library
                  by Jonas Sandman
                  The above can be called for wherever needed on an .shtml page by first including the "content" within a file named to perhaps "header.html" or "header.txt" and then inserting it into an .shtml page wherever you want to the header to appear using this SSI include call/directive...

                  <!--#include virtual="header.html" -->
                  Or optionally...
                  <!--#include virtual="header.txt" -->
                  Either of the above includes will work similarly.

                  If you are unfamiliar with SSI and you need to know anything, I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have. I use SSI extensively at my site.

                  Details re: SSI can be found at BigNoseBird.com.

                  So, you may want to rename your current pages (index or otherwise) from .html to .shtml instead. I'm letting you know this before you get too heavily into it.

                  [EDIT]
                  I never mentioned to Darren that he can use SSI too. I hope he doesn't get pissed off now that I've told you and I never told him. Probably too late now for him to go through and change all his pages. LOL.
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                  • #10
                    oh gosh, i was just looking at the readme i wrote for one of the DL versions before jonas started assigning them numbers. just writing this to subscribe as well.

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                    • #11
                      Nunzio, thanks alot for offering your help! We surely appreciate it
                      We'll let you know asap what the account name will be. Well, I already pm'ed you about it, but just so others know what's going on

                      Billy, is what you have still relevant and usable? Or is it outdated?
                      We surely could use your help. Be it only because as of now no-one is into the 'project' whose native language is English . Only if you want and have the time for it, of course...

                      Maybe we should split up the readme and assign different sections to different people so it doesn't come down to one person. We could also read each other's work and comment.
                      Jojo already made a structure for the readme.txt. Contents could be used on the site and in the readme.txt.

                      Also, since I've now been 'designated' webmaster, doesn't mean that if others are better with html or layout can't help.
                      Anyone good at graphics, btw?

                      Everyone who helps will be mentioned on the website (and readme, if relevant), of course...

                      Also, suggestions are always welcome.
                      If you're bored go here or, if the boredom is more serious, here.

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                      • #12
                        Hey siebe...

                        Just read your PM and then came here instead of replying to it. I'll wait for Jonas to PM me as you had asked. I also "reminded" him here.

                        Insofar as your concern about "keeping the address away from the public" since you'd like to give others the opportunity to suggest things, etc. as well, then sure... you can make it public. That's your decision. I was only suggesting that so that people wouldn't stumble upon a "work in progress". But sure, go ahead and make it public immediately, since they'll also be contributing to that work in progress. Makes sense now that I think about it.

                        And yes, SSI is a "nifty feature" (in your words - LOL) for the site. It saves lots of time typing and repeating the same thing on several pages. Kinda like an external global CSS file, but using SSI calls/includes instead.

                        Anyway, as soon as Jonas provides the name he wants, I'll set up the account and send you guys your login info.
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                        • #13
                          yeah i would be glad to do the readme. If not at least reread/cleanup what jojo has done.

                          and no, my readme is outdated, it is pre tabs-in-the-preferences

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                          • #14
                            Copy of email sent to both siebe and Jonas, with FTP login info asterisked out of course...
                            Hi.

                            Okay.. all set up.
                            I've changed all .html extensions to .shtml instead just in case SSI will be used. I uploaded existing temp pages, as well as a few other temp pages I created so that all links will work and not generate 404 error pages.

                            Site is online and immediately available for viewing at this address...
                            HTTP 404 Not Found
                            http://nunzioweb.com/joonas/


                            I will supply an actual subdomain name in a day or two, so that nunzioweb.com is not indicated in the URL, but both addresses can of course be used.

                            Here is your FTP login info, don't lose it...

                            Account name: ******
                            Host name/address: ******
                            Password: ******

                            You can begin uploading immediately.

                            Take care,
                            Nunzio
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by billyvnilly
                              yeah i would be glad to do the readme. If not at least reread/cleanup what jojo has done.
                              To prevent that maybe just wait a day or so, i just saw the site is on , so as soon as i got translated what i have maybe Siebe can put it on line. Maybe he can also do (part), of the translation, Siebe? Just let me know. I think tomorow things will be more clear. Any help from there on is welcome.
                              *sigh (still) under construction*

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