Skin removal appeal history.

[Mr Jones]

This 'History' thread is to preserve the list of appeals that have been raised in the skin removal appeal thread. Once an appeal has been dealt with by the skin review team the originators appeal and subsequent answer to that appeal will be moved over here. Forum moderators will then delete the post entirely from that thread, leaving only appeals that have yet to be dealt with.

The skin removal appeal thread can be located here.

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=160347

Please keep this thread on topic. All non related posts will be removed

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by chiquita chad
ok... ill be the first.

http://www.winamp.com/components/det...ponentId=69244Tiffany Taylor (pink version)(this skin is published.

http://www.winamp.com/components/det...ponentId=69336Tiffany Taylor (Blu Version) (the 'so called rip') This skin was a color variation of the Tiffany Taylor skin. As you can see, the authors names are the same.


http://www.winamp.com/components/det...ponentId=69245(Dragonball-Z Elite2) I made this skin awhile ago and submitted it. When it was published, I noticed a very large file size (somewhere around 500K). I then remembered that I forgot to crop some bitmaps. I deleted the skin, fixed the problem, and re-submitted the skin.
If you search the database, you will notice that the original (made by me) is no longer inexistence.

Dats all Folks

Resolved here

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Your plea has been heard and acted on, look out for mail from Mike any time soon.

J

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by DeLoreanfan3
Hello there,

My name is James A. Mills. I have been publishing/creating Winamp skins for quite some time. Most of the regular Winamp Skin Surfers are familiar with my work. To make a long story short, after much anticipated success with my skins: (Cindy Margolis, Evil Jenny McCarthy, and Alyssa Milano) I recently got an e-mail stating that my skins are going to be removed from the site because they are 16-bit BMP's instead of being 32-bit BMP's and the latest submissions are being rejected for the same reason. What in the hell is that? Is that some kind of business decision? I can understand if my skins were offending to people, but they aren't. They are my works of art so to speak. I have always been a loyal Winamp user and an avid fan but this is enough. Why are my skins being removed without just cause??? Answer me that. In a way, I feel like I am being slapped in the face. Earlier today after reading the e-mail sent to me by the "Skinner Experts" at www.Winamp.com, I began to look around and I see that there are skins just like mine still being published. I feel like this is "Selective Proscution". I know that many of you are having the same problems as I. So here is my ideal solution, if you (WINAMP) don't like our skins, we will take them to someone that appreciates them. Such as: WWW.SKIN4ALL.COM!!!! They will take them with open arms. So...In closing, I say this. If Winamp.com doesn't want my work, then I shall move on with diginity. Unfortunely, Winamp.com doesn't have any.

Sincerely,
James A. Mills
[email protected]

Resolved here

Originally posted by flatmatt
16-bit bitmaps cause a preview image to appear dark. Your skins are being rejected since the preview image is screwed up by this. If you use your image-editing program to convert the bitmaps to 32-bit, the preview images will appear properly and the skins will be accepted. BTW, if your skin were rejected for being offensive you would get an e-mail about "objectionable content."

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by IlluSionS667


Noiw there are allready 2 skins the reviewing squad refuses to submit.
First there was this one: http://www.winamp.com/components/det...ponentId=60240

Why? Because they claimed it to be a rip...Well, I'm sure it it isn't because I made I completely from scratch, and if you look at http://www.winamp.com/components/det...ponentId=47499 , I allready made another one in the same series that has been allowed.....

Then, the other skin.....
I made a series about the 20th century Empires, and next skins have been published...

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=60458

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=60240

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=60292

But this skin is refused for submission because of "objectionable content". Of course I can understand the issue, but there is no logic. Stalin had more innocent people killed then Hitler, so why allow a CCCP-skin. Also Maoan China and the Japanese empire had an enormous amount of people killed. Also these skins are allowed....

The reason for making these last series of skins is to remind people of the cruelty that happenend in countries with extremists beliefs. I wanted to remind people that the USSR and Nazi-Germany belong in the same category......

Are you boycotting me? I just started to get the interest back of starting to make new skins. Now it's all gone. Stop screwing over other peoples skins and crying if other people don't like yours.....

I don't care if you like my skins or not, if it's becasue of political reasons (censorship), or because of aesthetical reasons. I worked hard on each of my skins, and the least thing I espect from you people is that they are allowed.......

Where is the time when no one could mess up your stars, and at least everyone was rated farely

Originally posted by IlluSionS667
I forgot the link of the other skin that had been refused... That's this one. It might shock you, but if you consider he reason of submitting, the fact that it's part of a series of skins that HAVE BEEN allowed, and the fact that it's not aestheticly bad, there is no reason of not allowing it.....

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=72619

Originally posted by IlluSionS667
this is the correct skin.... sorry....

http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml?componentId=47498

Thanks for trying to fix this...



PS: My skins show no hatred. I'm against hatred in every form. That's the reason I made this skins: to open peoples eyes to what happened.

There is an other author called Tompa. who does depict hatred, because he makes skins about Neo-Nazi-groups that are acitve now. Why not deleting his skins? Because few people ever heared of these organisations? That's stupid, because it are these kind of skins that the real skinheads and people like them download, and not my skin that is just about history.....

(Tompa's skins:
http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.jhtml;$sessionid$VIP5D3QAB1A3E5YAAAARC0A?componentId=54290
http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml;$sessionid$VIP5D3QAB1A3E5YAAAARC0A?rOT=C&rOI=50732
http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml;$sessionid$VIP5D3QAB1A3E5YAAAARC0A?rOT=C&rOI=50733
http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml;$sessionid$VIP5D3QAB1A3E5YAAAARC0A?rOT=C&rOI=61145

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=50815

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=64413

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=44301

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=44303

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=49316

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=50581

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=53754

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=49464

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=54033

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=54535

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=55172

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=62115

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews.jhtml?rOT=C&rOI=62121

http://www.winamp.com/skins/reviews....OT=C&rOI=72364)

How did find them? By searching for "nationalist", "thule", "svea" or "skinhead". Can it be more clear that this guy is a Swedish nationalistic Neo-Nazi asshole, who tries to propagandize his beliefs through his skins on this site. You allow him to submit all this crap, but this one single skin that's made in a series of definitely non-offensive skins, you ban....

I don't understand, really.......

resolved here

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Number 1 ) Your first problem will be resolved when it's resolved, it was an error and will be corrected.

Number 2 ) Your second skin was rejected for objectionable content. The reason being, the skin squad was told not to post any "hate" content skins, skins portraying the swastika fall into this section. The reason why your other skins were posted , they were posted way before the skin squad and review guidelines were put in place, May the 18th by the look of things. At this time , skins were posted on the site in great blocks, sometimes a 1000 at a time, given a generic star rating and pushed out there. This now dosn't happen.

At some point in the near future the entire skin database will be reviewed, each skin checked for content. Skin depicting hate, porn, general bad taste will be removed from the site.

Hope this answers your questions.

[edit] I'll fix the first one if you provide the correct link[/edit]

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Fixed Illusions667's wrongly denied skin located here...

http://www.winamp.com/skins/detail.j...ponentId=47498

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by Leonardo C. Alves
Look, I've just received those e-mails:

Your component 'Grafitte CL-X' is now unpublished.
The component has objectionable content.
Please visit http://www.winamp.com and resubmit your updated component. You were moderated by e-blackadder. If you have any qualms, Please visit the forum http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=55236, and state your case.

At first, what means "objectionable content"? That skin was already published, without any problem. I have just made a little change on it, and tried to republish. And now, it's refused? Why?

Now, about the second skin. The same e-mail:

Your component 'Heidi in Amp 2001' is now unpublished.
The component has objectionable content.
Please visit http://www.winamp.com and resubmit your updated component. You were moderated by e-blackadder. If you have any qualms(...)

There's nothing intrusive, or immoral in this skin. It's just a picture of a girl! In the first time, I submitted this skin (Heidi in Amp) but for some reason, it has just disappeared from my skins control area. So, I tried to submit it again, but received an error message, saying that there was a skin with the same name in the database (my skin! ) So, I've changed the name to "Heidi in Amp 2001" and was waiting for the review... until now. I would like to know WHY exactly my skin was refused. I'm sure that it has no objectionable content...

Originally posted by Leonardo C. Alves
I have checked now my skins in my skin control area. Both of them are marked with the same name. "Grafitte CL-X" is shown like "Heidi in Amp 2001" - diferent pictures, but the same name and descriptions. But I'm sure it wasn't my fault! Could it be the problem? If so, deleting and resubmiting them would resolve?

Resolved here

Originally posted by e-blackadder
I'll even address this one for you guy. I had to say no to "Heidi in amp" because unless I'm blind, the magnificent Ms Heidi is bottomless, (on the minibrowser) and that is a definite no-no now. Don't get me wrong... I LOVED that skin. I thought you did a magnificent job on it, and she is a beauty to behold. But... no nudity.

As for your second one, that was an accidental refusal. I will assume it was caused by the fact that on occasion the new system has minor twitches like not loading pics, etc. If I remember correctly, the page expired while loading after "Heidi" and when refreshed, came up with Heidi again. I refused her thinking that the first one didn't go through, and what I bet happened was it loaded "Graffiti" with her pic. For that I am sorry, and please by all means re-submit.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by Leonardo C. Alves
Ok, a last worry about that 2 skins...
I've already made the appropriate changes to "Heidi in Amp", and tried to publish it, with "Grafitte CLX". And now, my skins control area are crazy! Sometimes I just can't see any skin on the Unpublished Skins, and when I see them and click to edit, they are with changed names, again! And I'm sure it wasn't my fault, again...
The ID numbers are these:
Heidi in Amp-2001: 76686
Grafitte-CLX: 76689
Could someone check it for me?

RESOLVED HERE

Originally posted by wildrose-wally
They are ok. Both are in the cue again, waiting to be published.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by jrofkar
This is an outrage!
Does winamp.com actually read the description for skins?
My skin, "Razor", and several others were specifically designed for
16-color systems (i.e., laptop users, VGA systems, etc.)! It's not our fault that winamp.com doesn't use a screen capture program that
works reliably! Get off your fat, lazy Macs! And if you need
assistance, please contact the author of the skin, rather than
blindly removing the skin altogether. Way to show support for skin
authors guys.

Geesh!

And btw, next time you want me to reply to one of your messages, please don't remove my account, either.

Originally posted by cyana


dear jrofkar, your skin is still there, however unpublished. The idea behind the 16 bit bmp denial is that the skin's screenshot looks rather messy and will maybe not attract as many people to d/l it as it would deserve otherwise. I don't know, how many 16 - color VGA systems are still in use, that are able to deal with mp3 files, however I'll be happy to help when you provide me with your skin IDs

RESOLVED HERE

Originally posted by cyana
dear jrofkar, thank you for your email. I brought your case to the backstage, please have a little patience

Originally posted by jrofkar
Cyana:

I look forward to hearing your response. If the committee needs any more justifications for publishing the Razor skin, please have them contact me personally.

Thanks in advance,
-Jim.

SIZE=1]P.S. - Attached, please find a complimentary screen capture of the 16-color Razor skin. Enjoy.[/SIZE]

Originally posted by jrofkar
Cyana:

When I tried to resumbit my Razor skin, I was presented with an "Error: A component by this name already exists in our database."

So, I decided to rename it. The *new* component is called "Razor2", and is currently unpublished. The *new* component ID for Razor2 is 77385.

Hope this helps.

Let me know if you need any further info.
-Jim.

Originally posted by cyana
dear jrofkar, thank you for resubmitting your skin and again, please have a little patience - I've put your case on the table again and hope to have an answer soon

Sorry for all your inconvenience

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by a_s_d
Hi, I received this e-mail:

"Your component 'default winamp skin made blue' is now gone forever.
The component is a rip of another component
You were moderated by wildrose-wally. ..."

If you just look at the title, it *says* DEFAULT WINAMP SKIN ... made BLUE, which means that it's a modification of default skin. If that's why you think it's a rip, then that's silly. I for one hate the way the default skin looks. It's extremely tacky. The design is perfect, but it just needs different colors. I have made 8 modifications of the default skin, and they're all at my site for download. I always use the blue skin, because it goes with my windows color scheme. The bright green on the default skin is very ugly to look at, and the rest of the default skin looks dirty/slimy/grimy.

What I did is cut out all the buttons and put them into a .psd file in grayscale, so i could have different layers to move around and modify easily. Next, I used Adobe Photoshop's 'fill' command to fill the grayscaled default skin with something like 15% blue. After filling the default skin, I took each set of buttons and copied the layer onto the appropriate file, so the result was a colored main window with grayed buttons and I preserved the colors in the slider bars. I think it looks wonderful, and much less tacky than the default skin.

Now, on the other hand, if you think that I ripped this skin from someone else, you are greatly mistaken. If you don't believe that I was the one who modified the default skin to make it blue with grayed buttons, I have the .psd files on my hard drive to prove it. I can e-mail it to an admin if he or she likes.

Please tell me why it was removed, because I think you're taking away from the community, forcing them to look at the tacky default skin instead of my blue modification. There are people out there like me who love the default design and graphics on the buttons, but don't like the colors.

Thanks,
Andy Dufilie
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/pdufilie/

RESOLVED HERE

Originally posted by wildrose-wally


Hi,

I am sorry I have to give you a disappointing answer, But a rip of the base skin is stil a rip. You are very welcome to make one, you just won't be able to publish it anymore.

[Mr Jones]

Appeal thread partially wiped clean as of 18th July 2003, if your looking for an appeal you made, its probably in here....

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?threadid=56577

Be sure to read the FAQ , for the lastest submission guidelines and acceptable material policy of Winamp.com

Be sure to read THIS before you post in this thread.

Thank you , come again.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by [][][]-pyuria-[][][]
my skin is not an entire rip, the aim was to allow people who only want to use winamp 2 to have the look of winamp 3, i know there are others that do the same but they were of the old winamp 3 skin, i did not take the graphics straight from the skins wal file, the reason i called it "winamp 3 alpha 667" was to give credit to the winamp 3 creators. I don't entire care if you post it or not, but my aim was to show people the look of winamp 3 and give credit to the makers of winamp 3 by doing so.

resolved here

Originally posted by BullGawD
your skin was denied because it has been done already, many times. It is considered a true rip since another skinner (not winamp) has submitted your design and been accepted by winamp. While I understand that you most likely did not rip the skin, the exact same design is already in the database for wa2 users to enjoy.

follow up

Originally posted by [][][]-pyuria-[][][]
yeah yeah whatever... whoever gets in first hey? unlucky for me. oh well, shit happens, the reason so many people use the design is because its sich a good one, nice work nullsoft.

Originally posted by [][][]-pyuria-[][][]
my skin is now gone for ever as i formated my hard drive ad installed winxp, oh well, i don't even use wa2 anymore, its either wimp or wa3 for me.

Originally posted by Duk
[][][]-pyuria-[][][], what was the component ID number? We might be able to recover the skin before it disappears from the db.

Originally posted by [][][]-pyuria-[][][]
don't worry, i only have wa3 now.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by Dawg4Life2K1
My skin "Boston Red Sox 2K1" was removed and deleted forever because it was a called a rip, but it is definately not. It is 100% original. There is absolutely no reason to have removed it.

Originally posted by iverssson
Your component 'Tarheels' is now gone forever.

The component has objectionable content.


Your component 'Allen Iverson' is now gone forever.

The component has objectionable content.


These were the two messages I got, what is objectable about those two skins? Unfortunatly I cant show em to you because its deleted off the DB....

They were:

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=42141

http://www.winamp.com/components/detail.jhtml?componentId=61418

How did this happen? Who reported it? What basis did they delete those two skins?

Originally posted by DaedalusAE
I was just curious how my skin could possibly be a rip? When I searched for other Washington Capitals skins, I didn't find any. I had the only one. And it was called a rip, after I worked hard on it.

Component ID: 57416

Please look into the matter. Thanks.

resolved here

Originally posted by Mr Jones
AOL, site owners of winamp.com have told winamp to remove Major League based sports skins from the site, so yours, along with several dozen other ones have been removed unfortunately.

Sorry, what can you do, what AOL says goes

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by mrharhar
My skin is NOT a rip.
It's as simple as that. If you think it's a rip tell me who i riped from! I put a lot o effort into my skin and now its unpublished!

Trust me.


Publish my skin, please.

-Mrharhar

[edit] ADDITIONAL USER FOLLOW UP COMMENTS ADDED HERE[/edit]

UN-resolved after 2 weeks due to non user reply

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Please provide the skin component number of your skin so this can be investigated.

Moving to the rip appeal thread as you were asked to do the first time you posted.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by Jedimaster18
To whom it may concern

My skin Khanda Amp [Component ID: 53885] is no friggin RIp...there are only 3 khanda skins now since mine was removed
when i searched for it, and each one is different so i cant see how you can justify that my skin is a rip..

can you please look into this and see whether you can publish my skin again.
it would be much appreciated..

regards Jedimaster 18

p.s.if you dont have it i have put it in my skins section again.

un-resolved after 2 weeks due to lack of user response

cutn pasted to this thread. You're welcome.

Welcome to the forums.

[edit] ding ding, merged thread -MJ[/edit]

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by Mr Jones
Would anyone coming here to report a sports skin that has been deleted please read the following.

As of 31st August 2001 Winamp.com administration have been asked by site owners AOL to remove major league sports and College Team based skins, this task has already started and yours may be amongst the first round of removals.

As of today 1st of September 2001, there is still no official explanation other than these words from the skin database manager.


I have asked for clarification on this, but as it's the weekend, no administration types are available.

If you wish to debate this further , please move to this thread to carry on the conversation.

http://64.12.38.241/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58856

Any future sports skin comments will be moved there for the time being.

Thank you for your patience in this matter.

[Mr Jones]

Originally posted by seikenkon
Your component 'Perfect Works - Elhaym Van Houten' is now unpublished.

The component has objectionable content.



This was the e-mail I recieved when my skin was reviewed. Now, I do know why it is remaining unpublished, I half expected it since it shows breasts (even though it's anime.) I don't really have a problem with this, I can understand why winamp.com would want to keep skins with nudity (mild or not) from being published. But my problem is that, before I even started making skins, I downloaded a Neon Genesis Evangelion skin from (you guessed it, winamp.com) and the nudity it contains is about the same as mine. Now, i'm not trying to get this skin removed from the site, I would just like to know where the difference occurs.

I can put a picture of both my skin and the Evangelion up on my site if necessary, but I don't have the time right now.

http://www.xenogears.org/Perfect%20Works/cover.jpg This link can give you an idea of what kind of nudity my skin contains.

Resolved here

Originally posted by ethan_h
A quick search tells me that the skin that you refer to is no longer on the winamp site. The reasoning behind all this was that way back when Nullsoft was its own boss, they had total control over what was available on the site - including skins. A lot of nude skins were available then.

But due to the takeover by AOL a lot of new rules are in place regarding skin content. If you think that nude skins are all that is banned, think again. We (the skin review team) received an e-mail a few days ago informing us that major league sports skins are no longer allowed on the site either. More corporate red tape, but nothing can be done - they own the site.

Hope this serves as some explanation as to why your skin was refused.

.:Mike:.

Follow up

Originally posted by seikenkon
I was going to just edit my message to save space, but the time limit expired...

Anyway, thanks for the answer, it clears things up quite a bit. I can understand nudity but baseball... that's going a bit too far IMO. Maybe AOL would like to burn some books next?

Any idea on when the search feature will be back up? Using google.com to search returns less than adequate results.