best MP3 player?

[theknub]

i was looking at getting a new mp3 player. i was looking at the creative zen, ipod, and i-river. im not afraid to spend a bit more on a player if it is that much better. if there is an mp3 player with a video screen that plays visualizations, i will buy it in a heartbeat (obviously will need to be able to turn off the screen and still play). otherwise, what are people oppinions regarding some of these players?

[I AM ELECTRO]

Try the new IPod photo

[electricmime]

dont the 4gs and ipod photo have an audio defect?

and i dont think the ipod photo has visulations... though im not sure

[toejam07]

Nevermind. I need to learn to read.

[Kanpai]

First off, even though standard iPods have all dropped in price $100, they are still overpriced, and their size and relative neatness are not enough to justify that price.

I have a Creative Nomad Zen NX...it's broken. I haven't owned it for more then a year, and it broke. Every time one of my or my friends' many Creative products break, i tell myself "Never again..." I fail to remember, but i hope you don't make the same mistake.

As of right now i'm too poor to buy a new one, but at least i can tell you what not to buy.

[Gemini-Phoenix]

The new Sony HD NW1 is the best on the market. It has a 20GB hard drive, and has a better battery life than the iPod. It is a lot smaller and lighter than the iPod, and can hold upto 13,000 tracks (Albeit at a slightly reduced unnoticeable bit rate)

And being Sony, it is a quality made product. It's only draw back is that it uses Atrac3 and not native MP3's, but it only takes 5 seconds to convert from MP3 to Atrac3, and the sound difference is not noticable.

[theknub]

the more i think, visualizations are not as required but are nice. a lot of people have recommended some of the video capable ones but i will only get one if it has vis's 'cause otherwise it is a waste. as far as players i am looking at:
lyra 2780 http://www.rcaaudiovideo.com/Culture...oductID=RD2780
iriver pmp-120/140 http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/portable.aspx
anything in the iriver h lineup http://www.iriveramerica.com/products/hd.aspx
ipod

as far as these two video capable players, i am not sure if they have vis's or not, but sure are hot.

i have looked at the neuros as well as the creatives, but they just don't do it for me for some reason.

the ipod photo is nice, but i don't want to spend the extra money just to see a slideshow of my pictures. just doesn't make much sense.

[I AM ELECTRO]

the ipod photo can set pix to scrool like visualizations