Winamp 5.7 Beta 13, build 3444 (with Winamp Cloud Beta)

[DrO]

one 4 nunz is automatically removed. some mention of this should be made in the version history imo. if i manually put it back, will it not work?

it is broken. putting it back in will cause issues with this version. that is why it is force removed.

is pmp_activesync.dll a nullsoft plugin? it does not say so. is it the cloud plugin? will it always say "NOT LOADED" when its not running?

it is official. it shows that message since it only loads when not needed. it relates to the safe mode changes so plug-ins not loaded / failing to load will now be shown. it just shows the plug-in name since if it's not loaded, there's no way for the plug-in to provide a name to Winamp (as loaded plug-ins do).

i'm confused by the "Recently Added" view. when i click on it, it shows nothing. when i edit the view it says this:

dateadded > [3 days ago]

which, to me, reads that it should be showing, for some reason, everything added MORE THAN 3 days ago. but it doesn't, it shows nothing. and should it be everything added LESS THAN three days ago?

it is the same query that was in place beforehand (which was lastupd > [3 days ago]), just with dateadded used instead. if it's wrong then it's been wrong for years.

in addition, why do it like that at all? why not just have the view put everything in the ML in "date added" order, with the most recent first?

because it was done without much time and just made use of the existing view defaults. so if it's not right, that is how it has been like for years and no one has noticed / bothered to report it. and i don't know if there is an issue or not.

and i thought there was going to be a "recently modified" view as well, based on the files last modified date?

there is in the views presets. which is what was the 'recently added' query (as posted above) but left as a 'recently modified' option. you have to manually add / edit an existing view to see it.

the date added column is also not woking properly.

as i understand it, the date added column value is not supposed to be something that a user can change via tag edits or rating or what not. the value is simply supposed to reflect when the filename first appeared in that location, and thats it, period.

date added is when the file was added to the library. i have said what it is based on as it had to be populated from something. so yes it probably looks wrong / isn't what you expect but it's a compromise when there's no known value to populate it accurately.

anything added from now on will be correct. anything imported gets a best guess applied as again, there is no way of knowing when a file was added to the library (and setting everything to the first time this update is run did not seem correct).

i forgot to mention, that the cloud seemed to add me via FB without the need for any email from you all.

that's not correct. it will be fixed.

[MrSinatra]

btw, here are the convos about "recently added" etc:

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=304863

http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?t=261936

EDIT:

also, add "New: ability to specify user's email address to id3 POPM ratings" to the version history. (or "Improved")

[MrX_1980]

Hello, with this beta I'm getting many "ICY 404 Resource not found" error messages with Shoutcast TV.
Shoutcast Radio and Winamp 5.63 are ok.
You too?

[DrO]

reproduced.

[thinktink]

Very small bug:

When you click the button to restart in safe mode, if you have another window going that can potentially obscure the dialog referring to safe mode, Winamp doesn't bring the confirmation dialog to the front. I waited about 20 seconds before investigating why it wasn't doing anything when I saw that the dialog was open and showing but was behind my browser (which was maximized at the time.)

Windows XP Home SP3 all updates.

[EDIT/]
Otherwise, I didn't see any other problems with safe mode although it was just a preliminary test.

[DrO]

fixed, needed MB_TOPMOST

[thinktink]

I created a plugin to purposefully divide by zero (double/double) to test out the gen_crasher.

Attached the report file.

[MrSinatra]

well, i just got back and tried to start winamp.

"winamp stopped working"

the only plugin i have besides those coming with the installer is the SC dsp.

when i rename the extension, winamp still crashes. this is not good.

EDIT:

i don't know if this matters, but the last thing i had done was put the columns:

File Time, Last Updated, Date Added

in the ML tracks pane in that order from the start of the leftside (in a top 2 pane, albumartist / album-art-icon-small view), with the arrow facing down on "Last Updated"

maybe thats crashing it? any help?

EDIT 2:

i think i'm onto something... i renamed the gen_ml.dll and now winamp starts. i just don't have the ML tab. i can play music and otherwise winamp is fine.

perhaps another bug though: when i clicked the "visualization" tab, the whole screen went black and the resolution seemingly changed, and i had to hit "esc" to get back to a normal screen.

(i also put the SC dsp back with gen_ml disabled and winamp still worked)

EDIT 3:

ok, i am def making progress. i opened up the gen_ml.ini file in the roaming dir, and noticed it had a new section, "ML Cloud" in it. when i cut it out completely, restarted winamp, SUCCESS! i was now back in business. all the views worked.

i clicked on the cloud, and it started rescanning my collection again, only this time it did a second, slower phase.

when i exited winamp, and restarted winamp, CRASH! so it would seem cloud services are causing these crashes. and i'm still seemingly getting in and out of the cloud service with no email from you all.

if i rename the cloud dll, i can start/stop winamp as much as i want.

so i think it has to do with the values for the cloud info in gen_ml.ini, and the way it tries to start and stop from whatever point it left off at.

[DrO]

MrSinatra: you are correct about the settings but wrong about the dll causing it and it was fixed internally ~6hrs before you noticed, though i'm pretty certain you shouldn't be seeing any of the cloud aspects at the moment (which is also part of the reason it's crashing for you).

[kzuse]

Winamp doesn't seem to remember the recently selected tree item in ML.

I have a playlist called "Alles" ("All" in German) where I have everything I currently listen to. Usually, this is selected in ML. So I open Winamp (shuffle is always on), then I just have to double click the selected Playlist.

In 5.7, when I open Winamp, it always selects the topmost item in the tree, which is "Lesezeichen" (Bookmarks)...


The bug with destroying m4a files when editing the tags after clearing the playlist, but still playing the file, is FIXED now - perfect, thanks! It also reliably works now for MP3. New tag is correctly written, and file keeps playing, and title is updated in the scroller, but playlist remains empty if it has been cleared manually before.

Best regards,
kzuse

[EDIT: Fixed typos... thanks!]

[joebloggscity]

A few things

1. Very disappointed no updates amendments to podcast system, Needs refreshed, and didn't see anything that shows fixed bug of disappearing list of podcast subscriptions. Hope I'm wrong.

2. see attached, says there's a not loaded DLL. Why is this? or what have i done wrong?

3. Cloud services needs Facebook login. I don't have one or want one, any other way to use the services? Like dropbox?

4. new update has amended/auto tagged a number of my singles. How do I remove this?

[DrO]

kzuse: with the view select on loading, one of the beta testers saw a similar thing but hasn't been the time to try to replicate / fix it.

joebloggscity:

#1 - there is changes to the podcast handling, but most of it is covered by the 'misc' changes. it will make a backup of the files on saving, only saves the files used _when_ needed which should improve reliability and a number of other under the hood things. a complete re-vamp of something that i was fixing in my own time is not going to have happened.

#2 - was covered a few posts up. if you don't have an active sync device then the plug-on won't load and it relates to the safe mode changes so you now see _what_ hasn't been able to be loaded. if it worries you, delete the plug-in and make sure to un-check it in the installer so it won't come back in future.

#3 - there will be additional sign-in methods coming later.

#4 - there were _no_ auto-tagging changes in this build so files should not have been altered in any way. you'd need to provide more details to ensure it's not just the library values which have been updated (as there was a library re-build as part of the install).

[MrX_1980]

3. Cloud services needs Facebook login. I don't have one or want one, any other way to use the services? Like dropbox?

I also dislike Facebook. Why was not the AOL login also used ?

[DrO]

because it's beta and it's in a limited form at the moment. as i've said above, other sign-in methods will follow i am just the messenger (as i realise a lot of people - myself included - are not keen on using facebook login but this is what the beta product is currently using).

[DJ Egg]

[Edit] I'm too slow today. DrO already replied to most of these. Sorry for the repeats [/Edit]

@ksuze

Are there a couple of typos in this statement?

"The bug with destroying m4a files then editing the tags after clearing the playlist, but still playing the file, is FIXED not - perfect, thanks!"

Should it say this instead?

"The bug with destroying m4a files when editing the tags after clearing the playlist, but still playing the file, is FIXED now - perfect, thanks!"


Re: "Winamp doesn't seem to remember the recently selected tree item in ML"

Are you using a lang pack? Does it also happen with English?
Are there any non-default plugins present?


@joebloggscity

1. There's a a couple of ml_wire (podcasts) entries in the changelog. You should also see feeds.xml.backup & rss.xml.backup files in %appdata%\winamp\plugins\ml

2. The ActiveSync plugin will only load if MS ActiveSync is installed and an ActiveSync/Windows-Mobile device is attached.

3. From 1st post: Winamp Cloud FAQ
More auth logins are coming soon (Google, AOL/Winamp, etc). But for now, it's Facebook or nothing. Sorry.

4. Winamp doesn't do that.


@MrSinatra

Re: "also, add "New: ability to specify user's email address to id3 POPM ratings" to the version history. (or "Improved")"

Hmm, nah. That's more of a power user thing. We'd much prefer if people continued using the winamp.com one ;-)


@MrX_1980
Thanks for reporting the NSV problem


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