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[kzuse]

Also note that old versions of JTFE will not work with 5.8

Is there really no way to program 5.8 in a way that it can load and use the old DLL? (If the user still has it...)

[Koopa]

Is there really no way to program 5.8 in a way that it can load and use the old DLL? (If the user still has it...)

And not respecting the wish of the original author? Bad idea.

Many companies earn millions with useless software patents and licenses, they will ruin you if you break their patents or break the license.

So for something written by a single person, we just should respect his wish, even if he is not able to ruin us like these companies do.

The last thing someone should do is not respecting other people wishes.

[Aminifu]

Is there really no way to program 5.8 in a way that it can load and use the old DLL? (If the user still has it...)

Apart from what Koopa said and incompatibility with API changes in 5.8, what would be gained by reintroducing bugs in the older versions of JTFE?

[Pawel]

In my opinion it is not a problem that JTFE is not supported by Winamp 5.8. It is not a problem that some feature is missing now or not working... it all can be rewritten, added or just removed.
The problem is that it seems there is nobody that can add/repair this features! How can it be that for over 2 years new owner of Winamp did nothing (probably). Nothing...

@DrO
I am sure no one blame you for this situation. I think averybody understand You and accept your decision. Btw, it is not WMP wrapper - it is still best Media Player, now freeware, no patents!

@kzuse
5.8 could use JTFE, but first of all it is against DrO's decision and there is no one who could make it possible... no eta, no resources

So, lets hope there will be soon a lead developer and we will not discuss if but when we see a new Winamp version.

[ultima9]

Just a suggestion...

First off, i just wanna say, i've been a winamp user since day one. It is the only music player i've ever willingly installed. (I can remember cramming my mp3's onto a 120MB HDD too - yeah, that's right, megabytes...) I can't imagine not having it anymore. So maybe that makes me a bit biased...

But have you guys considered crowdfunding it? I mean, it obviously still has a heck of a following; perhaps it would be a good way to get a solid start?

It might show the corporate shills that there's still a lot of interest in the player.

All i gotta say, i've paid for the pro version more than once. And i'd *gladly* drop 100 bucks for a new, modern, all-the-bells-and-whistles WinAmp. And i'm just a guy who likes his music. I'm sure some professional DJ's out there would be willing to match me, or more.

Again, just a thought.

And a tip of the hat to those who have worked to keep it going. Seriously, it's the best damn music player ever written.

[ampshout]

Long Lived

I'd be happy to contribute to a crowdfunded Winamp.

Sounds like Radionomy have zero interest in working with developers or putting this project forward, such a shame.

Vivendi as well probably couldn't care less they have other business interests.

Do you guys know I've been checking the forums on a weekly basis since 2013 hoping for a new version with upgraded features.

I'll keep watching in hope for a new release but I suspect it may not ever materialize?

Many thanks to DJ Egg and DrO for all their hard work and effort throughout the years!

19 years baby and still whipping the Llama's ass!

[Pawel]

I was recently a bit pessimistic, so maybe something more optimistic now.
Such a reflection...
I mean, if people will still use Winamp like they do, if they still belive it will never die... I am glad there are still plenty of people who really cares and belive in better future...
Even if Radionomy will fail, there is still stable 5.666 build, that is actively supported by DrO.

I started to use Winamp long time ago (when i bought my first PC, I think it was in 1999). Winamp was the first Windows application I run
I still prefer to play music from my disk, not streaming. Winamp gives me everything I need. I am sure there are still plenty of You that feels the same.

Have a nice weekend!

[MrSinatra]

DJ Egg,

have you thought about recruiting Thinktink or someone like that to do some coding? there seem to be some talents on these forums.

if u do, just make sure the same scenario doesn't repeat, meaning that anything in the distribution is owned by winamp, not a dev who can pull it and severely cripple progress.

(and thats NOT a swipe at DrO, its not his fault that winamp allowed such a ridiculous arrangement)

[Koopa]

ridiculous arrangement if they shipped something which improved the overall usage for more than 10 years for free?

[MrSinatra]

ridiculous arrangement if they shipped something which improved the overall usage for more than 10 years for free?

my complaint isn't with the end achieved or the product, but rather with the process. in other words, what could happen, has happened, and its obviously extremely problematic, (at least in Eggs PoV).

imo, JTFE should either have been owned by winamp outright, OR left as a 3rd party plugin and not in the core distribution, (perhaps in the essentials pack).

would you not agree that going forward, it would be wise and prudent to not repeat that kind of arrangement?

[Koopa]

I disagree, the reason why there is no new Winamp for a few years now isn't the result of a shipped 3rd party plugin (Winamp shipped different 3rd parties over all the years btw, Predixis Music Magic etc), the reason is that the current owner just doesn't provide any dev ressource for a new version and doesn't show any interest in Winamp in general.

Whatever some people think is the reason, the lack of JTFE (features) isn't the reason why there is no new Winamp for sure.

Also problematic what people expect even if 5.8 would be released, many people won't be happy:

- no new features, basically the same like 5.666
- no queue support
- no skinned advanced jump to file window
- still no auto tag (same like in 5.666)
- still no CD info service (same like in 5.666)
- no file icon library support
- still no playlist generator (same like in 5.666)
- ....

Is it that what people want, upgrading to the same they are currently using just with a different version number?

[MrSinatra]

i didn't say that's why there isn't a new winamp, Egg did. but i really don't disagree with what u are saying tho.

but i also believe my point remains valid. JTFE should either have been owned by winamp, or not included in the core distro. and 3rd party stuff from companies like gracenote or predexis is a different animal altogether, although frankly look how thats turned out too. not real successful either.

[DJ Egg]

I disagree, the reason why there is no new Winamp for a few years now isn't the result of a shipped 3rd party plugin (Winamp shipped different 3rd parties over all the years btw, Predixis Music Magic etc), the reason is that the current owner just doesn't provide any dev ressource for a new version and doesn't show any interest in Winamp in general.

Whatever some people think is the reason, the lack of JTFE (features) isn't the reason why there is no new Winamp for sure.

Also problematic what people expect even if 5.8 would be released, many people won't be happy:

- no new features, basically the same like 5.666
- no queue support
- no skinned advanced jump to file window
- no auto tag like in 5.666
- no CD info service like in 5.666
- no file icon library support
- no playlist generator
- ....

Is it that what people want, upgrading to the same they are currently using just with a different version number?

The bolded Gracenote items aren't working in 5.666 either.
And there are some new features in the revised 5.8, and plenty of other changes & fixes.

Other than that, yes, now that DrO is gone and Benski is unavailable, we need a lead dev.

And I might well publicly release 5.8 beta very soon. We shall see.
I've already said everything relevant in previous posts, including that I'll inform you all of any decision made after DNAS 2.5 release.
The delay of the DNAS 2.5 release is chiefly what's caused the extended delays with Winamp.

[Hanschke]

all stuff that it is missing I never used so no problem not to lose it with a new beta

[ryerman]

The delay of the DNAS 2.5 release is chiefly what's caused the extended delays with Winamp.

Which raises this question: What is causing the delay of the DNAS 2.5 release?
Is the answer the same: "we need a lead dev."?

Maybe the lack of progress in hiring a new developer shows that Radionomy is concentrating on bigger problems; perhaps the lawsuit launched by Sony Music.
Or maybe Radionomy has simply lost interest in Winamp, as Koopa and I and others have said.

The Radionomy forum is waiting for some announcement, scheduled for Monday, May 9.
That forum has posts from some very unhappy radio producers, and some which echo the complaints found in this forum about the lack of communication from Radionomy.
https://board.radionomy.com/