Winamp 5.9.2 Released

[zumer]

out_ds crash

[jvidal]

...or maybe you could thank that there are people who still deal with this player.
I think he just wanted to highlight the point. He didn't capitalize it all.

exactly. I use caps to stress a point, i'm not shouting. But, it seems that they prefer to focus their efforts into nagging users for using caps, instead of actually fixing the bugs the users report...

[NJK]

it seems that they prefer to focus their efforts into nagging users for using caps, instead of actually fixing the bugs the users report...

I'm not one of the development team , just a moderator upholding the rules . If you don't like that you are always free to leave but it's very strange that you are almost the only one facing the problem of unicode, make one think if it's indeed a fault in the player or a problem on your own system.

[jvidal]

I'm not the only one facing this issue. just read the comments for the previous version.
Plus, DjEgg acknowleged the issue, he was able to reproduce it using the steps I provided, but they never fixed it.
And , as I have already reported, I have 5 other players installed on my system and NONE of them have this problem. Even older versions of winamp handle unicode characters properly.

[Mikey7]

I'm not one of the development team , just a moderator upholding the rules . If you don't like that you are always free to leave but it's very strange that you are almost the only one facing the problem of unicode, make one think if it's indeed a fault in the player or a problem on your own system.

It is always the very same people complaining about the very same problem, such as crashing or an issue with Unicode, regardless of the (5.9.x) Winamp build. It never occurs to them that their respective negative attitudes and demeanor is never helpful and all of them refuse to consider that their individual issues *might* be caused by their respective hardware and OS setup. My advice to them is as follows: If DJEgg told you that he was able to recreate the issue, then exercise some patience. 5.9 is new territory and we're darned lucky that there is a team of developers working on classic Winamp on the desktop. You also have alternatives such as 5.6.x or **cup and if those don't do the trick, there are other very worthy music players out there. It's one thing to inquire occasionally about the status of your issue but you're not going to get any sympathy from Egg or other forum members by endlessly complaining and inferring that the work isn't going fast enough for your liking. At long last, please cut it the **** out.

[tiktip]

...and some people already use another player. They looked at it, tried it with the new updates and realized that there is nothing extra or new.

My own opinion:
in order for it to meet today's needs in terms of knowledge, appearance and everything else, a completely new player would be needed. A fresh start.
It would also be good for the program, as it would not only be modern, but also more stable.

I think this was my last good advice for winamp.

[Mikey7]

I upgraded to 5.9.2 from 5.666 in Windows 7 running in VMware Player under Windows 11. I've put it through some paces and it's really running exceptionally well. CPU usage runs as high as 24% but CPU usage within a virtual machine probably doesn't tell you much that's reliable. It's difficult to judge Fanzone & Hotmix and that other unspeakable onboard library since they access webpages which require registration at a minimum. What is reliable is that this Win7 VM is rolling right along, along side "7Gadgets," a excellent replacement/add-on to Win 7's gadgets which are deprecated thanks to changes in DirectX, among other issues but which otherwise use up CPU cycles. If Winamp isn't focused, the spectrum analyzer and visualizer get laggy. Focusing the Window (Big Bento) clears that up and the behavior isn't unexpected in a VM. As always, many, many thanks to DJEgg and the entire development team.

[Mikey7]

...and some people already use another player. They looked at it, tried it with the new updates and realized that there is nothing extra or new.

My own opinion:
in order for it to meet today's needs in terms of knowledge, appearance and everything else, a completely new player would be needed. A fresh start.
It would also be good for the program, as it would not only be modern, but also more stable.

I think this was my last good advice for winamp.

I think most of what Winamp does can be improved within Winamp as is and in fact, that's what the dev team is doing. The most notable exception is the Media Library which is a plugin that should be scrapped for something better. That, and the Modern skinning engine. Winamp needs a skinning engine like AIMP's, which is incredible. I've been playing with AIMP and although it has a steeper learning curve in some respects (like finding where they stuck a whole bunch of useful but nearly hidden features), the skinning engine is just incredible and new skins come out at least once a month. Quinto was the last great skin for Winamp and it seems that otherwise, the skinning community has died.

[zepper]

V 5.9.2 running well here. Thanks dev team, your work to keep Winamp going is very much appreciated.

[zepper]

I think most of what Winamp does can be improved within Winamp as is and in fact, that's what the dev team is doing. The most notable exception is the Media Library which is a plugin that should be scrapped for something better.

That's one feature in Winamp I use constantly and losing it would probably keep me from upgrading. If overwhelming numbers of Winamp users felt like you then it would probably make sense on the dev side to scrap it but I've seen almost no complaints. Kind of like if it ain't broke don't fix it. Always room for improvements though...

[Mikey7]

That's one feature in Winamp I use constantly and losing it would probably keep me from upgrading. If overwhelming numbers of Winamp users felt like you then it would probably make sense on the dev side to scrap it but I've seen almost no complaints. Kind of like if it ain't broke don't fix it. Always room for improvements though...

My opinion comes from developers I've spoken with that have noted that it's a difficult plugin to work with insofar as trying to implement new features. That said, I assembled a very fairly vast playlist in Media Library and the resulting .m3u8 files imported flawlessly into AIMP. I'm betting that if a new Media Library, a library that was integral to Winamp rather than a plugin were built, our existing playlists would likely be able to be imported with no loss of data or tags and therefore transparent to the end-user. I certainly wouldn't want a new library that was incompatible with existing playlists - that would kill it for me as well. A new Media Library would help bring Winamp into the world of modern players. The only reason I've been playing with AIMP, an excellent player with its own share of bells and whistles, is because I'm a skin-junkie and AIMP's skins are frankly amazing. I should also mention that playlists I've created in AIMP also import into Winamp without issue. I maintain both players and use which ever player floats my boat during an evening of listening.

[zepper]

That said, I assembled a very fairly vast playlist in Media Library and the resulting .m3u8 files imported flawlessly into AIMP. I'm betting that if a new Media Library, a library that was integral to Winamp rather than a plugin were built, our existing playlists would likely be able to be imported with no loss of data or tags and therefore transparent to the end-user.

Most of what I use the ML for is its quick and easy access to audio and video files that includes playlists, it's an excellent feature that's been there for years. I've never used the AIMP player so I can't compare the two but would definitely hate something that makes it more difficult to navigate or creates additional barriers to access. Whenever I encounter new and improved that always seems to be the case. Microsoft are masters of that.

[Mikey7]

Most of what I use the ML for is its quick and easy access to audio and video files that includes playlists, it's an excellent feature that's been there for years. I've never used the AIMP player so I can't compare the two but would definitely hate something that makes it more difficult to navigate or creates additional barriers to access. Whenever I encounter new and improved that always seems to be the case. Microsoft are masters of that.

I understand completely. With Winamp, one has to either accept that it is based on 20+ year old technology that fortunately the current devs are still able to improve upon or move to **CUP which I refuse to do for personal reasons but whose dev is doing basically the same thing, trying to improve old technology. Or, we can wait and see if the current devs build a whole new desktop player, rather like the phoenix rising...well, you know. As for me, as I said I'm a desktop junkie with regards to the OS and a skin-junkie when it comes to Winamp. AIMP is a fun novelty to that end - the skins are amazing. It's got some great plugins such as the YouTube module but its playlist editor is to die for, especially when you finally discover "manage playlists," a feature which *can be* oddly hidden depending on the skin author. This is the downside to AIMP. The forums are mostly in Russian!

[Mikey7]

...and of course, you're right about "new & improved* vs a plugin like Media Library that, despite its quirks, *works* otherwise. I suppose that if the devs were to design a Winamp version with an integral component that did everything that the ML does currently, it would have to continue to support the current ML plugin until such time that with thorough testing of these new features in Winamp, users felt it was safe to turn off the ML plugin and then at some future point, let it die peacefully. "But that will mean maintaining two libraries!" Yes, it would.

Progress can be painful, but we can't deny that we as end users have been given plenty of time and support from the devs in order to test each version of 5.9 and make such transitions as painless as possible. You're never going to please 100% of your end users when a "final" version is finally released, and some issues remain. If software manufacturers waited until they had 100% buy-in to some particular version, nothing would ever get released and progress would stagnate.

[kingal73]

5.9.2 - The Un-Believably Frustrating Version.
If I had any hair to pull out, believe me I would have!

Seriously, what did you do to Winamp???

I'm decades in to using Winamp, & I can't get anything to play for more that a few tracks before it crashes to Windows.

Fresh install, blah, blah, blah.

Even 'Error Reporting' crashed, LOL.

Ps No, don't ask...not sending any reports or detailed info for nerds.

Al